I believe it is this Cleves/Kleves referred to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_of_Cleves Anna 52538 Selfkant On Apr 21, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Thierry Dietrich wrote: > No idea, what Cleve this 4th wife of Henry the 8th came from, but > assuming you're talking of the english Henry the 8th (there are some > more you know...), I am not sure it is the Cleve = Kleve in Western > Germany.
btw, there also is a Kesfeld in Western Germany, but that is several hundreds of kms south on the borderline to Luxemburg and Belgium in the Eifel Mountains. Not sure why this would have been mentioned in the same context as Cleve or Düsseldorf. For earlier times this was quite a distance... But without exact context I can't tell you more. Regards, Thierry ________________________________ Von: pascalfl <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 21. April 2009, 00:39:36 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] Birth certificate I am trying to transcribe a German birth certicate. It's a "fill in the blank". The copy is very poor but I can make out most of the German script. It's the block letters (Suttelin) that I'm having trouble reading. They a smeared, etc. I'm think that it's standard form for births in the time period of 1843 (Dusseldorf). I realize Dusseldorf is not in Hesse, but thought someone on the list may have access to one that is similar. It also refers to Keihel/Kesfel and Cleve. Could this be a district or city? Thanks, Nancy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
No idea, what Cleve this 4th wife of Henry the 8th came from, but assuming you're talking of the english Henry the 8th (there are some more you know...), I am not sure it is the Cleve = Kleve in Western Germany. As Nancy is referring to Düsseldorf, my assumption would be she is looking for a Kleve / Cleve in Germany. Even though there are more towns with that name in the Netherlands, it probably is the German one, as it is located in the Regierungsbezirk Düsseldorf. Further it has been of some historic importance as it has been the central city of a duchy of the same name (Herzogtum Cleve). Thus, a mention of Cleve in a document, could also refer to another town in that duchy, rather than the city of Kleve itself. Always bear in mind today's "K"s in earlier times were interchangeable with "C"s. Today's correct spelling is Kleve. But in historical documents it probably mostly was spelled Cleve. You can easily locate the city by using Google-Map. The dutch Cleve's are spelled with a "C". Here is the german Wiki site on Kleve: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleve Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 21. April 2009, 03:41:05 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Birth certificate In a message dated 4/20/2009 6:40:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Cleve Nancy: I do recognize CLEVE is an area where Henry the 8th's fourths wife was from. She wasn't all that pretty and as you well know it didn't work out with this marriage eather. You could google it or some other member might know more about it..Doris. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
In a message dated 4/20/2009 6:40:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Cleve Nancy: I do recognize CLEVE is an area where Henry the 8th's fourths wife was from. She wasn't all that pretty and as you well know it didn't work out with this marriage eather. You could google it or some other member might know more about it..Doris. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62)
I am trying to transcribe a German birth certicate. It's a "fill in the blank". The copy is very poor but I can make out most of the German script. It's the block letters (Suttelin) that I'm having trouble reading. They a smeared, etc. I'm think that it's standard form for births in the time period of 1843 (Dusseldorf). I realize Dusseldorf is not in Hesse, but thought someone on the list may have access to one that is similar. It also refers to Keihel/Kesfel and Cleve. Could this be a district or city? Thanks, Nancy
I believe the source referred to here is this book: Praetorius, Otfried. "Kirchenbuecher und Standesregister fuer alle Wohnplaetze im Land Hessen." (Darmstadt, 1939) You may be able to find this book by consulting WorldCat for US library holdings. Dona Ritchie In a message dated 4/15/09 5:37:57 AM, [email protected] writes: > "QU" may signify "Quelle" = source. But I am not sure about the > convention used by the author of the webpage you have got this reference from. ************** Join ChristianMingle.com® FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221246370x1201421635/aol?redir=http://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html?cat=adbuy&src=platforma& adid=aolfooter&newurl=reg_path.html)
The most likely suspect in the fire I mentioned was a local man who had a court case coming up about land. All the records of the land in question were apparently lost in the fire, to his benefit. The accusations was never proven for the land dispute, nor the fire. TW Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: 04/16/2009 02:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HESSE] Court house fires I have seen statements like this many times before, but no one has ever explained why so many court houses have been burned down. No one has even asked until I am doing so now. Are there some serial arsonists who concentrate on court houses? It doesn't seem likely that there would be so many such fires normally. Jayne [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) In a message dated 4/16/2009 11:24:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: On Thu, April 16, 2009 8:42 am, TW Scott wrote: > All, > My courthouse really did burn down, it was well documented. It was That was really my point. Many old courthouses were wood structures, There were LOTS of American courthouse fires, some completely burned down (repeatedly). However, often the clerks would have the records in their houses and when the courthouse burned down no records were lost or maybe only a few. What I'm trying to say is don't just take someone's statement that there are no records for county [fill in the blank] for [some date] because the courthouse burned down in [some other date]. I've researched in a county where the courthouse burned down three times, and only a very few records were lost. However, I've done other research, were records were kept and fires have nearly destroyed all records for a large timeframe. In American research you need to do your homework to know what really is lost, and not just because someone says so. Of course, generally many records can also be found in the local churches and when churches shutter, it's not unusual to have historical societies get those records. Local historical societies in America are a valuable source of information. I would not be surprised if there is a German equivalent to them? Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the messagePAIGN_ ------------------------------------------------------------ Bankruptcy Click here for free information on how to reduce your debt by filing for bankruptcy. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/FgElN1g1vaRiA7FBltD49J2CsetI0SRhPFmOboy7HxuexbDieVN9P0vtPSg/
Hello Brian, > the first is: > Wilhelmina Christina, get. 17 Nov 1699 (P. Hochgeb Gräffin & FR. Wlihemine > Christina zu Solms) > > This would be Wilhelmine Cristina the Countess of Solms, correct? Of course I would prefer to see the original record (for instance die P. at the beginning doesn't make sense to me), but based on what you wrote above it should be the hochgeb[orene] Gräfin und Fr[eifrau] Wilhelmine Christiana zu Solms[-Rödelheim] indeed. Graf / Gräfin = Count / Countess Freiherr / Freifrau = Lord / Lady or Baron / Baroness hochgeboren = highborn? [one of the phrases typically used for aristocrats] > Ludvig, geb 9. 5. 1704 (P. H. Graff Ludvig Henrich Graf zu Solms, Herr zu > Munzenb.) Count Ludwig He[i]nrich of Solms[-Rödelheim], Lord of Münzenb[erg] As I wrote in earlier posts, Assenheim was a condominate wherefrom 1/3 was owned by the Solms-Rödelheim branch. The other two thirds were owned by the Prince Elector of Hessen (a.k.a. Hessen-Kassel) and the Isenburg-Büdingen branch. > These two could be the sponsors on the record for my ancestor Carle > Christian Milde, even though the "Christian Heinrich" is reversed in the > index transcription. Reversal of first names were not that unusual. Based on what you found out, it is very likely you found the two sponsors! :-) > Neither of them would have been > adults in 1725 and Johan Ernst Carl would not yet have been the count, he > was second in line at this time. You did not need to be adult to become sponsor at a baptism. However, typically sponsors were at least 14 years old. You may like to check this. Further, if I remember the record right, they were titled gräfl. = gräflich not Graf. Am I wrong there? All the descendants of a Count are gräflich = "countish" (even though this word probably doesn't exist in English, you should be able to understand what it means). However, it wasn't too unusual either to title the son Graf even though the father still was alive. I found that already in other documents. So either way, I am quite confident you now have your sponsors! Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 16. April 2009, 13:53:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] Gräf as a name or last name and related question I always, forget about that surname site. I guess I should check that site from now on before wasting a post. Thanks again Thierry. But what about my second question? Does my research and theory hold up? Is it probable that the sponsors for Carle Christian Milde are the sons of the Graf of Solms-Rodelheim and Assenheim, and are the sponsors for the horsemaster Eyerman's children the Graf and Grafin of Solms-Rodelheim? Brian > > I have two batismal records for the Solmsische Stallmeister Hn. > Eyersmann's children (no relation) > > the first is: > Wilhelmina Christina, get. 17 Nov 1699 (P. Hochgeb Gräffin & FR. Wlihemine > Christina zu Solms) > > This would be Wilhelmine Cristina the Countess of Solms, correct? > > The next entry is: > Ludvig, geb 9. 5. 1704 (P. H. Graff Ludvig Henrich Graf zu Solms, Herr zu > Munzenb.) > > This would be Ludvig Henrich Count of Solms [and Assenheim], of > Munzenberg, right? > > > Both Ludvig Henrich and his wife Wilhelmine Christine are buried in > Assenheim (1728 and 1745 respectively). > > They had issue, among others, of: > 4) Johan Ernst Carl Graf zu Solms-Rodelheim und Assenheim, and > 5) Karl Christian Heinrich (*killed in a duel in 1745). > > These two could be the sponsors on the record for my ancestor Carle > Christian Milde, even though the "Christian Heinrich" is reversed in the > index transcription. Or am I way off? Neither of them would have been > adults in 1725 and Johan Ernst Carl would not yet have been the count, he > was second in line at this time. I think these two are the most likely > candidates for the sponsors as no last name is given and both of them > lived in Assenheim (at least part of the time). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Karen If, we did rule out a family connection some time ago, we'll have to rule it out now again. Since that time I have successfully researched the family back to 1650 when a Moritz Dütmann born Buller was the earliest Dütmann that could be found. His Dütmann name came from a Law that required males marrying an heiress to family property to assume their surname. He was married twice, the first time apparently to a Dütmann female heiress who died; my line descends from his second marriage. Thus my blood line is more Buller than Dütmann. I've tried to find a Buller from the same area and same time period without success. My great grandfather changed the name from Dütmann to Dittman sometime after his immigration. He was born in the area south of Osnabrück. If, you have any from that area, there is always a chance that there could be a connection through one of the hundred or names that I have listed as descendants of my great grandparents, Dütmann and Hengelsberg. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] All related > Jerry, I expect to be a branch on your family tree some day---Karen Glenn > Farr (whose mother is a Clarion Co. PA Dittman), original surname Detman; > traveled by Ship "Crawford"?from Rotterdam in 1773. (I think I recall > we?ruled out the?relation many years ago). But, well--maybe!? I am > interested in seeing your studies on?relationships. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerome Dittman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 4:58 pm > Subject: Re: [HESSE] All related > > > > I have had the same thought and have been working for months on a way to > try > and show how I am related to all the hundreds of surnames in my file. > These > names are mainly from the Osnabrueck, Buechenberg, and Wipperfuerth areas > of > Germany, England and quite a few states here in the US. Right now I have > 15 > pages showing my connection to surnames that extend back to about 1600. I > have already connected to someone who is related to one of my lines > through > the marriage of sisters. This is still under developement; I'll send a > page > or two to anyone that is interested in seeing my approach to the solving > the > problem. Perhaps we can come up with a better way of doing it. > > My originating surnames are Duetmann born Buller in the area south of > Osnabrueck; Raab in the area surrounding Buechenberg in Hesse; Zelz from > the > Wipperfuerth area; and in England; in the US the names radiates from the > Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, PA area. > > I've been calling the project "Cousins related around the world". > > Jerry Dittman > Boonsboro, MD > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Well, you see before there was electricity all over the country, Americans relied on various forms of fire to light and heat buildings (you know this, but may be neglecting it). A candle or oil lamp left burning next to something flammable, or near a window left open with cloth drapes, a flue that didn't get cleaned and ignites from the inside, etc. There are any number of reasons why wooden buildings easily caught fire in times less modern than ours. We didn't always have such "wonderful" rules and regulations and safety equipment as we do today. A simple careless act of leaving a candle burning and a window open, allowing a breeze to blow a curtain over an open flame is all it takes to ignite some dry wood and burn down a building. But it wasn't just courthouses. Fires were quite common a hundred and two hundred years ago. Chicago burned down more than once. Chicago had "great fires" before Mrs. O'Leary's "great barn fire". We'll never know the cause of many of those fires, but there is anecdotal evidence that a drunken neighbor knocked over a lantern in Mrs. O'Leary's barn and caused it. In the Midwest, lightning was also a culprit. Of course you can't rule out pranksters and disgruntled citizens either. Fires were pretty common in Germany too. However most of the public buildings in Germany weren't made of wood, so you don't have as many total courthouse fires and the fires that destroyed records in German were mostly war related, I think. Hopefully that is enough info to end this thread or bring it more on topic. Brian On Thu, April 16, 2009 11:02 am, [email protected] wrote: > I have seen statements like this many times before, but no one has ever > explained why so many court houses have been burned down. No one has > even > asked until I am doing so now. Are there some serial arsonists who > concentrate on court houses? It doesn't seem likely that there would be > so many such > fires normally.
I HAVE to share this one! One the one hand , we know how people have worked to find and share lost records or replacements for them. The first "official record" I found for my grandmother's grandmother was in a book of "recovered marriages" in the Cincinnati courthouse. But there are also clerks who think the records are their own personal property to be preserved and kept from public scrutiny. A friend of mine had transcribed some records (probably cemetery - I dont recall) and given a copy of them to the Court House. One day she was researching in the Court House and needed some information she had forgotten to bring, but HAD recorded in her book. She asked the clerk to see the book and was told that it was not available to the public. She said "I wrote the book". -- same answer "I can tell you the page number" ... no "I can describe the WATERMARK ON THE PAGE!" -- still "NO! " Her other books are available in OTHER repositories! Barbara Rice
In the U.S.A. during the Cival War many court houses were burned with records. This was told many times in many towns that I researched and was told the same thing. Pat ---- [email protected] wrote: > Well, you see before there was electricity all over the country, Americans > relied on various forms of fire to light and heat buildings (you know > this, but may be neglecting it). A candle or oil lamp left burning next to > something flammable, or near a window left open with cloth drapes, a flue > that didn't get cleaned and ignites from the inside, etc. There are any > number of reasons why wooden buildings easily caught fire in times less > modern than ours. We didn't always have such "wonderful" rules and > regulations and safety equipment as we do today. A simple careless act of > leaving a candle burning and a window open, allowing a breeze to blow a > curtain over an open flame is all it takes to ignite some dry wood and > burn down a building. But it wasn't just courthouses. Fires were quite > common a hundred and two hundred years ago. Chicago burned down more than > once. Chicago had "great fires" before Mrs. O'Leary's "great barn fire". > We'll never know the cause of many of those fires, but there is anecdotal > evidence that a drunken neighbor knocked over a lantern in Mrs. O'Leary's > barn and caused it. In the Midwest, lightning was also a culprit. > Of course you can't rule out pranksters and disgruntled citizens either. > > Fires were pretty common in Germany too. However most of the public > buildings in Germany weren't made of wood, so you don't have as many total > courthouse fires and the fires that destroyed records in German were > mostly war related, I think. > > Hopefully that is enough info to end this thread or bring it more on topic. > > Brian > > On Thu, April 16, 2009 11:02 am, [email protected] wrote: > > I have seen statements like this many times before, but no one has ever > > explained why so many court houses have been burned down. No one has > > even > > asked until I am doing so now. Are there some serial arsonists who > > concentrate on court houses? It doesn't seem likely that there would be > > so many such > > fires normally. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jerry, I expect to be a branch on your family tree some day---Karen Glenn Farr (whose mother is a Clarion Co. PA Dittman), original surname Detman; traveled by Ship "Crawford"?from Rotterdam in 1773. (I think I recall we?ruled out the?relation many years ago). But, well--maybe!? I am interested in seeing your studies on?relationships. -----Original Message----- From: Jerome Dittman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [HESSE] All related I have had the same thought and have been working for months on a way to try and show how I am related to all the hundreds of surnames in my file. These names are mainly from the Osnabrueck, Buechenberg, and Wipperfuerth areas of Germany, England and quite a few states here in the US. Right now I have 15 pages showing my connection to surnames that extend back to about 1600. I have already connected to someone who is related to one of my lines through the marriage of sisters. This is still under developement; I'll send a page or two to anyone that is interested in seeing my approach to the solving the problem. Perhaps we can come up with a better way of doing it. My originating surnames are Duetmann born Buller in the area south of Osnabrueck; Raab in the area surrounding Buechenberg in Hesse; Zelz from the Wipperfuerth area; and in England; in the US the names radiates from the Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, PA area. I've been calling the project "Cousins related around the world". Jerry Dittman Boonsboro, MD
I have seen statements like this many times before, but no one has ever explained why so many court houses have been burned down. No one has even asked until I am doing so now. Are there some serial arsonists who concentrate on court houses? It doesn't seem likely that there would be so many such fires normally. Jayne [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) In a message dated 4/16/2009 11:24:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: On Thu, April 16, 2009 8:42 am, TW Scott wrote: > All, > My courthouse really did burn down, it was well documented. It was That was really my point. Many old courthouses were wood structures, There were LOTS of American courthouse fires, some completely burned down (repeatedly). However, often the clerks would have the records in their houses and when the courthouse burned down no records were lost or maybe only a few. What I'm trying to say is don't just take someone's statement that there are no records for county [fill in the blank] for [some date] because the courthouse burned down in [some other date]. I've researched in a county where the courthouse burned down three times, and only a very few records were lost. However, I've done other research, were records were kept and fires have nearly destroyed all records for a large timeframe. In American research you need to do your homework to know what really is lost, and not just because someone says so. Of course, generally many records can also be found in the local churches and when churches shutter, it's not unusual to have historical societies get those records. Local historical societies in America are a valuable source of information. I would not be surprised if there is a German equivalent to them? Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh)
Well our country is built upon a rebellion, maybe they didnt like the outcome of a case? or accidentally dropped their pipe. ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:02:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Court house fires I have seen statements like this many times before, but no one has ever explained why so many court houses have been burned down. No one has even asked until I am doing so now. Are there some serial arsonists who concentrate on court houses? It doesn't seem likely that there would be so many such fires normally. Jayne [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) In a message dated 4/16/2009 11:24:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: On Thu, April 16, 2009 8:42 am, TW Scott wrote: > All, > My courthouse really did burn down, it was well documented. It was That was really my point. Many old courthouses were wood structures, There were LOTS of American courthouse fires, some completely burned down (repeatedly). However, often the clerks would have the records in their houses and when the courthouse burned down no records were lost or maybe only a few. What I'm trying to say is don't just take someone's statement that there are no records for county [fill in the blank] for [some date] because the courthouse burned down in [some other date]. I've researched in a county where the courthouse burned down three times, and only a very few records were lost. However, I've done other research, were records were kept and fires have nearly destroyed all records for a large timeframe. In American research you need to do your homework to know what really is lost, and not just because someone says so. Of course, generally many records can also be found in the local churches and when churches shutter, it's not unusual to have historical societies get those records. Local historical societies in America are a valuable source of information. I would not be surprised if there is a German equivalent to them? Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On Thu, April 16, 2009 8:42 am, TW Scott wrote: > All, > My courthouse really did burn down, it was well documented. It was That was really my point. Many old courthouses were wood structures, There were LOTS of American courthouse fires, some completely burned down (repeatedly). However, often the clerks would have the records in their houses and when the courthouse burned down no records were lost or maybe only a few. What I'm trying to say is don't just take someone's statement that there are no records for county [fill in the blank] for [some date] because the courthouse burned down in [some other date]. I've researched in a county where the courthouse burned down three times, and only a very few records were lost. However, I've done other research, were records were kept and fires have nearly destroyed all records for a large timeframe. In American research you need to do your homework to know what really is lost, and not just because someone says so. Of course, generally many records can also be found in the local churches and when churches shutter, it's not unusual to have historical societies get those records. Local historical societies in America are a valuable source of information. I would not be surprised if there is a German equivalent to them? Brian
I had a similar experience at a local museum. I saw a book from the Clerk of the Courts office in a mock up of the office. I asked to look through the book and found my great grandfather's cattle brand registered as well as his son's (my grandfather) mark for pigs (it had a drawing that showed how they notched the ear) when he was eight years old. It does make for a special day. You want to grab a stranger and tell them about it, which I did. HA! TW Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: 04/16/2009 08:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HESSE] All related In a message dated 4/15/2009 11:03:20 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Sorry, I should have qualified that. I was referring to American sites. > It > is not unusual to come across a clerk in America who will say there are no > local records, because the courthouse burned down. S-o-o-o-o-o-o true. While researching my Hessian forebear, I got the explanation that an earlier researcher had borrowed the book, never put it back, and it had been lost for years. But they let me into the storage vault anyway. I looked up on the top of the book cabinet in the vault and saw a dirty old book...the ORIGINAL that she had described as lost. In it I found that my forebear had signed his will dated 1832 in a clear hand. Now THAT was special. ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
All, My courthouse really did burn down, it was well documented. It was Hernando/Pasco County Florida in the 1870's-1880's. The area was pretty lawless at the time. There was a judge shot, the local marshal was a murderer, family feuds aplenty. Lynchings and ambushing going on all over the area. It didn't improve much until the 1930's. A lot of records were destroyed out of ignorance, some have simply been lost over the years. I keep trying. TW Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: 04/16/2009 12:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HESSE] All related Sorry, I should have qualified that. I was referring to American sites. It is not unusual to come across a clerk in America who will say there are no local records, because the courthouse burned down. Often time, the person simply doesn't know what is or isn't available, and is going on anecdotal evidence at best. Somethiimes, the clerks are just so busy they will use that excuse to politely let you know they don't have the time. That is not to say there are real cases where records were lost due to a fire. Certainly in Germany we are talking about an entirely different landscape. I had assumed the post I replied to was taking of US sources. I wasn't meaning to knock civil servants, they have a tough job sometimes, and can be extremely helpful. THe best way to really find out what sources are likely to be available is to contact a local history or genealogy society. They will often be more informed about what is available. Brian On Wed, April 15, 2009 12:47 pm, Heidi Utley wrote: > I wouldn't be to fast knocking down the civil servants. Since I lived in > Germany during World War II you might like to know that the devastation > was terrible... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------ Lawyers Paying too much for your lawyer? Click here to find lawyers and save money. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/FgElN1g4tcLIkV7XjArPACsVsyxGKjzcP0eYLOOxhYtSdJgIjgzy0XN9fSg/
In a message dated 4/15/2009 11:03:20 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Sorry, I should have qualified that. I was referring to American sites. > It > is not unusual to come across a clerk in America who will say there are no > local records, because the courthouse burned down. S-o-o-o-o-o-o true. While researching my Hessian forebear, I got the explanation that an earlier researcher had borrowed the book, never put it back, and it had been lost for years. But they let me into the storage vault anyway. I looked up on the top of the book cabinet in the vault and saw a dirty old book...the ORIGINAL that she had described as lost. In it I found that my forebear had signed his will dated 1832 in a clear hand. Now THAT was special. ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)
I always, forget about that surname site. I guess I should check that site from now on before wasting a post. Thanks again Thierry. But what about my second question? Does my research and theory hold up? Is it probable that the sponsors for Carle Christian Milde are the sons of the Graf of Solms-Rodelheim and Assenheim, and are the sponsors for the horsemaster Eyerman's children the Graf and Grafin of Solms-Rodelheim? Brian > > I have two batismal records for the Solmsische Stallmeister Hn. > Eyersmann's children (no relation) > > the first is: > Wilhelmina Christina, get. 17 Nov 1699 (P. Hochgeb Gräffin & FR. Wlihemine > Christina zu Solms) > > This would be Wilhelmine Cristina the Countess of Solms, correct? > > The next entry is: > Ludvig, geb 9. 5. 1704 (P. H. Graff Ludvig Henrich Graf zu Solms, Herr zu > Munzenb.) > > This would be Ludvig Henrich Count of Solms [and Assenheim], of > Munzenberg, right? > > > Both Ludvig Henrich and his wife Wilhelmine Christine are buried in > Assenheim (1728 and 1745 respectively). > > They had issue, among others, of: > 4) Johan Ernst Carl Graf zu Solms-Rodelheim und Assenheim, and > 5) Karl Christian Heinrich (*killed in a duel in 1745). > > These two could be the sponsors on the record for my ancestor Carle > Christian Milde, even though the "Christian Heinrich" is reversed in the > index transcription. Or am I way off? Neither of them would have been > adults in 1725 and Johan Ernst Carl would not yet have been the count, he > was second in line at this time. I think these two are the most likely > candidates for the sponsors as no last name is given and both of them > lived in Assenheim (at least part of the time).