I notice no one has replied. I've never heard of a city directory for any town or city anywhere in Hesse. I'm sure they must have existed, at least in the larger cities. Although, perhaps the various guilds filled that need in the earlier days. I'd have thought by the 1800s the guilds would have been fading away. I know there was the burger list and different guilds for different professions and at one point they had a great deal of power. I've even heard they had some say in who a craftsman married. I haven't seen any proof of that though, but if you can find these books they can be an incredible source of data. You might try to find the burger's book. You'd probably need to write to an archive for that. If he was a practicing Apotheker in Hanau, he'd probably be in the burger book. I think you had to be a burger to open up any shop even in the 1800s. but, I've been known to be wrong. Brian On Sat, May 16, 2009 1:16 pm, [email protected] wrote: > Does anyone know if there are any kind of directories available for Hanau > for the years 1829 to 1839 that might show practicing pharmacists > (apotheker)? I am looking for Philipp Christoph LIEDER who reportedly > operated a > pharmacy in Hanau during this time period. > > Thanks for your help! > > H LIEDER > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377005x1201454319/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May > Excfooter51609NO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Tomas, I have recently found my Waldeck family. The surname was uncommon, Götting, which made my search easier than most. Using Ancestry, Footnote and the Ellis Isle and Castle Garden sites, I finally found the naturalization application for someone with this surname on which he indicated that he was from Wellen. There happened to be 2 Wellens in Germany, but my immigrant indicated, on the ships manifest, that he was from Waldeck. So, I assumed that he was from Wellen, Waldeck, and contacted the pastor in that village. She sent me 2 pages from the ortsippenbuch with contained my Göttings. She also referred me to someone in the village who is a member of a local history group. I wrote to the pastor in English, which was fine. The historian clearly found someone to translate for him. Good luck. Brenda In a message dated 6/12/2009 5:43:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Tomas, >From a previous similar query of mine it was indicated that although the records for villages in the Principality of Waldeck appear to exist, because OSBs (ortssippenbuch) has been published for many villages, the church records have not been allowed to be microfilmed by the LDS. (From information I have from the LDS, the percent of microfilmed records for Waldeck is around 4%.) This usually means that a local genealogist needs to be hired to access the records. You will need to find the exact village name in Waldeck, to continue your search. At 02:00 AM 6/12/2009, you wrote: >From: Bobbi <[email protected]> >Subject: [HESSE] Re: M?ller - Hutton - Waldeck - Liverpool >To: [email protected] > >Try familysearch.org to see if they have filmed the church books. >In the library catalog, try doing a keyword or place search. > >Bobbi > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tomas Christie" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:08 PM >Subject: Re: [HESSE] M?ller - Hutton - Waldeck - Liverpool > > >Thank you Don. I have done all the basic research possible in Liverpool, but >I tried to keep the information in my request as simple as possible. Rosalia >M?ller always declared herself to have been born in Waldeck and I had hoped >that there might be some record of her birth or baptism there. We know she >still had family there but don't know anything about who they were - except >that there was probably a brother. We don't know how or when she came to >Liverpool or how she met Henry Mark Hutton. >In Liverpool she certainly didn't follow the Catholic faith so would have >been more likely to have been from a Lutheran family. > >The story of her father having been an officer is likely to be true as there >is a small portrait that is believed to be him. > >I really need any help and guidance of how to go about a search in Germany. > >Thank you. > >Tomas Christie ____________________________________________________________ Click for top financial advice. Reduce debt & save for retirement. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVtyGQgWgVw10ePr6R1r5kK WkhJlJdZaA5jra6WqNOGKJB1mTApI8/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004)

Thank you for your helpful response, Brendon. 118 photocopied pages, wow, I bet you struck genealogy gold with that one! I would love to find court documents, etc. at HADIS, but I have trouble navigating that site, even tho I speak some German. (But then it's a gov't site, and I have trouble navigating gov't sites in the U.S. Nothing like a for-profit organization for easy navigation, huh? :-)) Any tips for me, anyone? Has anyone else had an experience with having someone in Germany look at a specific entry in HADIS' (physical) Emigration Database, based on a find in the online database? (The online database I refer to is the one that comes up when you go to http://www.hadis.hessen.de, enter "Auswanderer-Nachweise" in the Schnellsuche box, click "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" then click "Auswanderer-Nachweise".) Thanks, Sue Jones

See: http://www.geocities.com/gerhildc/main.htm http://www.geocities.com/gerhildc/Towns.htm Be sure to read the instructions. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Christie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Müller - Hutton - Waldeck - Liverpool Thank you Don. I have done all the basic research possible in Liverpool, but I tried to keep the information in my request as simple as possible. Rosalia Müller always declared herself to have been born in Waldeck and I had hoped that there might be some record of her birth or baptism there. We know she still had family there but don't know anything about who they were - except that there was probably a brother. We don't know how or when she came to Liverpool or how she met Henry Mark Hutton. In Liverpool she certainly didn't follow the Catholic faith so would have been more likely to have been from a Lutheran family. The story of her father having been an officer is likely to be true as there is a small portrait that is believed to be him. I really need any help and guidance of how to go about a search in Germany. Thank you. Tomas Christie

Try these, Tomas: http://tinyurl.com/m4nc23 www.ekkw.de/archiv/english/index.html Happy Hunting! :-) Don

On Thu, June 11, 2009 6:08 pm, Tomas Christie wrote: > Thank you Don.  I have done all the basic research possible in Liverpool, > but I tried to keep the information in my request as simple as possible.  It is a mistake to simplify your requests. When you do that everyone assumes you have not done the basic research. Also, with simplified search questions there is the risk of oversimplifying and not providing enough data points for those who would try to help you. You have still not provided any datapoints that could be useful. We need dates or date ranges in which to search and as the most specific locations as you can provide and the events that need to be looked at for those times. Without you supplying your best guesses for such things you are in effect asking us to redo all the work you've already done. I know this was not your intent by simplifying your request. I an sure we have all fallen in this trap before, I know I have (more than once). Brian

Tomas, From a previous similar query of mine it was indicated that although the records for villages in the Principality of Waldeck appear to exist, because OSBs (ortssippenbuch) has been published for many villages, the church records have not been allowed to be microfilmed by the LDS. (From information I have from the LDS, the percent of microfilmed records for Waldeck is around 4%.) This usually means that a local genealogist needs to be hired to access the records. You will need to find the exact village name in Waldeck, to continue your search. At 02:00 AM 6/12/2009, you wrote: >From: Bobbi <[email protected]> >Subject: [HESSE] Re: M?ller - Hutton - Waldeck - Liverpool >To: [email protected] > >Try familysearch.org to see if they have filmed the church books. >In the library catalog, try doing a keyword or place search. > >Bobbi > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tomas Christie" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:08 PM >Subject: Re: [HESSE] M?ller - Hutton - Waldeck - Liverpool > > >Thank you Don. I have done all the basic research possible in Liverpool, but >I tried to keep the information in my request as simple as possible. Rosalia >M?ller always declared herself to have been born in Waldeck and I had hoped >that there might be some record of her birth or baptism there. We know she >still had family there but don't know anything about who they were - except >that there was probably a brother. We don't know how or when she came to >Liverpool or how she met Henry Mark Hutton. >In Liverpool she certainly didn't follow the Catholic faith so would have >been more likely to have been from a Lutheran family. > >The story of her father having been an officer is likely to be true as there >is a small portrait that is believed to be him. > >I really need any help and guidance of how to go about a search in Germany. > >Thank you. > >Tomas Christie ____________________________________________________________ Click for top financial advice. Reduce debt & save for retirement. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVtyGQgWgVw10ePr6R1r5kKWkhJlJdZaA5jra6WqNOGKJB1mTApI8/

Hello all, I'm so glad I learned how to access the HADIS Emigration Database through this list.. Thanks so much for that. I found what looks like my ancestor there. My questions now are: (1) How complete is this database supposed to be? Does it contain *all* of the emigration records, *most* of them or *some* of them? (2) I understand that I can obtain more details on a particular entry by visiting HADIS in person, writing to them or hiring a researcher. Would those details be the same as the online details that appear when you click the little red arrow? Or would the in-person visit truly reveal more? Thanks, Sue Jones

Try familysearch.org to see if they have filmed the church books. In the library catalog, try doing a keyword or place search. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Christie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] Müller - Hutton - Waldeck - Liverpool Thank you Don. I have done all the basic research possible in Liverpool, but I tried to keep the information in my request as simple as possible. Rosalia Müller always declared herself to have been born in Waldeck and I had hoped that there might be some record of her birth or baptism there. We know she still had family there but don't know anything about who they were - except that there was probably a brother. We don't know how or when she came to Liverpool or how she met Henry Mark Hutton. In Liverpool she certainly didn't follow the Catholic faith so would have been more likely to have been from a Lutheran family. The story of her father having been an officer is likely to be true as there is a small portrait that is believed to be him. I really need any help and guidance of how to go about a search in Germany. Thank you. Tomas Christie ________________________________ From: Don Watson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 11 June, 2009 15:15:53 Subject: [HESSE] Müller - Hutton - Waldeck - Liverpool You'll need to do the basic research in Liverpool. You'll need to discover WHO......................... Names, birthdates, baptisms, marriage dates, death dates. Be precise. WHERE.................... Liverpool; Waldeck WHEN...................... Exact dates, from>to FAITH...................... Lutheran? Catholic? WHAT you need to know. Once you have gathered together this info, you can contact the appropriate archive. :-) Don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.63/2169 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00

Thank you Don.  I have done all the basic research possible in Liverpool, but I tried to keep the information in my request as simple as possible.  Rosalia Müller always declared herself to have been born in Waldeck and I had hoped that there might be some record of her birth or baptism there.  We know she still had family there but don't know anything about who they were - except that there was probably a brother.  We don't know how or when she came to Liverpool or how she met Henry Mark Hutton. In Liverpool she certainly didn't follow the Catholic faith so would have been more likely to have been from a Lutheran family. The story of her father having been an officer is likely to be true as there is a small portrait that is believed to be him. I really need any help and guidance of how to go about a search in Germany. Thank you. Tomas Christie ________________________________ From: Don Watson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 11 June, 2009 15:15:53 Subject: [HESSE] Müller - Hutton - Waldeck - Liverpool You'll need to do the basic research in Liverpool. You'll need to discover WHO......................... Names, birthdates, baptisms, marriage dates, death dates. Be precise. WHERE.................... Liverpool; Waldeck WHEN...................... Exact dates, from>to FAITH...................... Lutheran? Catholic? WHAT you need to know. Once you have gathered together this info, you can contact the appropriate archive. :-) Don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You'll need to do the basic research in Liverpool. You'll need to discover WHO......................... Names, birthdates, baptisms, marriage dates, death dates. Be precise. WHERE.................... Liverpool; Waldeck WHEN...................... Exact dates, from>to FAITH...................... Lutheran? Catholic? WHAT you need to know. Once you have gathered together this info, you can contact the appropriate archive. :-) Don

Dear List, I would be grateful if anyone could help me in any way whatsoever. I have a  Rosalie Wilhelmine Aguste Ellen Louise MULLER born about 1834 at Waldeck.  She married an Englishman (Henry Mark HUTTON) in 1859 in Liverpool. The story is that her father might have been a General (there is a portrait which seems to support that) who married a daughter of a family who were something to do with Schloss Waldeck, perhaps the family who owned it. After Henry Mark Hutton died (1873) there is a suggestion that some of the children were taken to Germany to be educated.  Certainly this is true for the two youngest Robert Walter HUTTON (born 1870) and Ernest Edward HUTTON (born 1872) who went sometime after 1881 (probably 1883).  Robert Walter then went to New Zealand, but came back to England about 1905.  Ernest Edward may have stayed in Germany, we do not know anything more about him. Other names used in the family that might have connection to the MULLER family are Carl (Karl), Emilie, Karoline, Isabella, Erna and Lina. Thank you. With best wishes from Scotland, Tomas Christie

< Would like to clarify Mr Hildebrand as far as being a "contructor". Did < you mean to type contractor or constructor. Ooops, I seem to have missed the "s" key when typing my translation.   ;-) It was meant to signify "constructor".  :-) Thierry 

Sebastopol. -- The new school building in Sebastopol, which opened monday 14 days ago, honors its architect, Mr. Zöllner from Tavistock, as well as its contructor, Mr. Hildebrand from Stratford, and decorates well the little city. It is undoubtly one of the best countryside school buildings in the country. Sebastopol wants to make progress from an industrial perspective too, after Mr. Klein and Mr. Kalbfleisch will have established a flax mill there next spring. That's all right; for reporting such topics we like to use our pens, and we wish, we will have the opportunity to do so quite often. Such an opportunity would be, for instance, if the township cousel of South Easthope decided to build a new townhall, as the current one really does not deserve its name, and compared to the startup Sebastopol is taking, looks like an old rag on a new dress. The rich South Easthope will not want to lag behind other townships. As generally known, the council meetings currently happen in the hotel of Mr. Geo. H. Kaufmann. Apropos of him, we are happy to mention, that he cares about a house, which is clean, and may be strongly recommended to the public. A friendly welcome, a comfortable accommodation, a good drink may be found there anytime, candidly ensured by the innkeepers.   Thierry     Message: 1 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:15:36 -0400 From: JK <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HESSE] translation To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If someone has nothing better to do, would like some help with http://newhamburg.org/ads/1krug.html It starts talking about the new school, talks about a flax mill and then I think a new town hall. The names are Zoellner, Klein, Kalbfleisch, Kaufmann, Hildebrand Another name seems to be Eckstein but not sure Too many letters I can't make out to get a jist of what's going on JK

Sorry. After I sent my last reply about Zollner being the architect, I was wondering if perhaps it meant that rather than being the professional who drew up the plans for the building, it instead referred to him as being the driving force behind getting the building built. That would fit in quite nicely with him being a major businessman within the community. I didn't catch it right away because a couple of businessmen within the area actually DID design their own buildings. JK Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Sebastopol. -- The new school building in > Sebastopol, which opened monday 14 days > ago, honors its architect, Mr. Zöllner from > Tavistock, as well as its contructor, Mr. > Hildebrand from Stratford, and decorates > well the little city. It is undoubtly one of the > best countryside school buildings in the country. > Sebastopol wants to make progress from an > industrial perspective too, after Mr. Klein and Mr. > Kalbfleisch will have established a flax mill there > next spring. That's all right; for reporting such > topics we like to use our pens, and we wish, > we will have the opportunity to do so quite often. > Such an opportunity would be, for instance, if > the township cousel of South Easthope decided > to build a new townhall, as the current one > really does not deserve its name, and compared > to the startup Sebastopol is taking, looks like > an old rag on a new dress. The rich South Easthope > will not want to lag behind other townships. > As generally known, the council meetings > currently happen in the hotel of Mr. Geo. H. > Kaufmann. Apropos of him, we are happy to > mention, that he cares about a house, which > is clean, and may be strongly recommended > to the public. A friendly welcome, a comfortable > accommodation, a good drink may be found > there anytime, candidly ensured by the > innkeepers. > > Thierry > > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:15:36 -0400 > From: JK <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] translation > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > If someone has nothing better to do, would like some help with > http://newhamburg.org/ads/1krug.html > > It starts talking about the new school, talks about a flax mill and then > I think a new town hall. > The names are Zoellner, Klein, Kalbfleisch, Kaufmann, Hildebrand > Another name seems to be Eckstein but not sure > > Too many letters I can't make out to get a jist of what's going on > > JK > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi seeking information on Seitz from Ober Wollstadt. Father Joahannes Mother Maria Catharina Feuerbach Son Ludwig born 1813 immigrated to US date unknown. Thanks Dutch

Thank you very much. It was not what I was expecting at all. Zöllner owned a hotel in Tavistock for about 10 years, put a small drug store into a portion of it about 1870, then built a new drug store and that became his sole business in 1876. This info about him being the architect of the school house is very unusual to say the least as they must have gone out to tender. Would like to clarify Mr Hildebrand as far as being a "contructor". Did you mean to type contractor or constructor. By the way, this occurred in 1872. Thanx again Thierry JK Thierry Dietrich wrote: > Sebastopol. -- The new school building in > Sebastopol, which opened monday 14 days > ago, honors its architect, Mr. Zöllner from > Tavistock, as well as its contructor, Mr. > Hildebrand from Stratford, and decorates > well the little city. It is undoubtly one of the > best countryside school buildings in the country. > Sebastopol wants to make progress from an > industrial perspective too, after Mr. Klein and Mr. > Kalbfleisch will have established a flax mill there > next spring. That's all right; for reporting such > topics we like to use our pens, and we wish, > we will have the opportunity to do so quite often. > Such an opportunity would be, for instance, if > the township cousel of South Easthope decided > to build a new townhall, as the current one > really does not deserve its name, and compared > to the startup Sebastopol is taking, looks like > an old rag on a new dress. The rich South Easthope > will not want to lag behind other townships. > As generally known, the council meetings > currently happen in the hotel of Mr. Geo. H. > Kaufmann. Apropos of him, we are happy to > mention, that he cares about a house, which > is clean, and may be strongly recommended > to the public. A friendly welcome, a comfortable > accommodation, a good drink may be found > there anytime, candidly ensured by the > innkeepers. > > Thierry > > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:15:36 -0400 > From: JK <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HESSE] translation > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > If someone has nothing better to do, would like some help with > http://newhamburg.org/ads/1krug.html > > It starts talking about the new school, talks about a flax mill and then > I think a new town hall. > The names are Zoellner, Klein, Kalbfleisch, Kaufmann, Hildebrand > Another name seems to be Eckstein but not sure > > Too many letters I can't make out to get a jist of what's going on > > JK > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Emigration from Wächtersbach (Waechtersbach) June 1838: Ludwig Halter, born 1787, miller son Jacob, born 1814 son Adam, born 1822 daughter Elisabeth, born 1811 daughter Gertraude, born 1813 daughter Katharina, born 1819 Wächtersbach belonged to Hessen-Kassel. You find it on the map East of Frankfurt, Fulda direction. I am looking for descendents. Regards from Hessen Karl    

If someone has nothing better to do, would like some help with http://newhamburg.org/ads/1krug.html It starts talking about the new school, talks about a flax mill and then I think a new town hall. The names are Zoellner, Klein, Kalbfleisch, Kaufmann, Hildebrand Another name seems to be Eckstein but not sure Too many letters I can't make out to get a jist of what's going on JK

Hmmmm. Well I looked at the pics and thought, "Same eyes, same guy." (Also, same ears, jaw, hairline, nose shape... not to mention the side whiskers.) "Non-professional" guesswork, I realize. If that isn't the same fellow, this merely fooled another amateur. :-) Cheers. Dawson Deuermeyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Megan Heyl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 04:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [HESSE] Photo Comparisons Brian, Thank you for explaining and sharing your knowledge to all of us on the message board. What you pointed out compares to the little bit of information I have gleaned out of books / conferences in the past. I'm sure that many of us appreciate it when people like you take the time to "get your learning on" and help us not as knowledgeable in specific things as photography as you state. You were very professional and friendly in your reply. Meg in Michigan On May 31, 2009, at 9:26 PM, [email protected] wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2009 2:49 pm, JK wrote: >> Well yes, a bigger skull would take up more space so I don't see the >> grounds for the argument. > > No, you do not understand my comment. The skull appears larger > because the > photo is at a different zoom factor, not because it has gotten bigger. > Maybe the camera was closer, maybe the photographer zoomed in more, > maybe > the photograph was developed from a projection of the negative and the > photograph is enlarged and zoomed in, etc. The fact is that one > picture is > a more closeup shot and that is the reason for the larger head. > >> >> The early picture is supposed to be the same person in his very early >> twenties. The older picture, judging by another photo from 1894 would >> place him at about age 55. So about a 34 year difference, not 10-15 >> years. >> Clothing in a small town doesn't keep up with current trends so is >> difficult to judge and businessmen tended to keep their suits for >> years. >> I recall suits on older men when I was a kid that were clearly 25-30 >> years old and the locals would comment on the fact. > > Given the fact that he is not wearing the same suit, it can be > argued he > isn't wearing a 30 year old suit. They are distinctly different styles > from different time periods. Don't be so sure that small towns 100 > years > ago didn't keep up with the current styles, within reason. > > There are only three inexpensive ways to date a photograph that I > know of. > The actual types of photographic materials used in different periods, > clues in the picture itself, and photographs of known age. Your > anecdotal > evidence that people in small towns wore 25-30 old suits in your > childhood > doesn't prove that the clothes worn by the general population or any > subset thereof 100 years ago are also such. You asked for help, and > I gave > you tips on how genealogists and historians accomplish this. I > didn't say > using clothing to date photographs will prove absolutely a date with > any > precision. It was merely a tool I suggested to be used with other > tools. > Generally, getting a photograph taken was an expensive thing and a > special > event. People would, in general, wear their best and newest clothes > for > the sitting, and not the usual 25-30 year old suit worn daily to work. > Furthermore, a twenty five year old is unlikely to be wearing a 25 > year > old suit, and is far far more likely to be wearing whatever was in > style > for his/her time period, at least if he was rich enough to have > money to > spend on photographs. Naturally, it's easier to date photos with > women in > them, as styles changed much more rapidly, even in small towns. > > Without knowing what the older photograph is in > thickness/size/type/construction/composition, I can't offer you > anymore > help than I have. There are sites on the web that show you how to date > photographs. Since you have suspicions as to the originality of the > one > you have. It may not be possible to come up with a useful date on > either > photograph, but then again maybe it is. > > Then again, maybe he was older than it is stated he was. If he is > wearing > a suit that was popular in the 1870s and not in the 1860s, that > might be a > clue. Unless, of course, he comes from one of those really progressive > small towns that are always years ahead of the current styles. > > > Bottom line, it's the same person at two different time periods and > his > head hasn't enlarged, and he hasn't developed a cleft chin. They are > just > illusions due to all the variables that are possible with photographs. > > Brian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message