Patti, I don't doubt that someone put that Maj. Hugh Henry was born 1756 in Berkley Co. VA on a DAR index or membership application, but I am saying there is no document anywhere to show where that "fact" came from. I don't know who submitted that application or in what year it was submitted. Sam Maner assured me within the past two months that the only "proof" he had about where Maj. Hugh Henry and Samuel Henry originated in VA came from a Maj. Hugh Henry descendant who went to Guntersville, AL, and wrote what I put in the previous post about the being descended from Henrys who came from PA to VA to TN. I believe that descendant said they lived near Richmond, VA. That descendant got the name wrong for the father of Maj. Hugh Henry. He did not call him Samuel! The rest of what Sam Maner has on Maj. Hugh Henry is traditionary. There is no Rev. War pension file for Maj. Hugh Henry. I assume that someone had read the pension files of William Henry of Jones Cove and John Henry of Cocke Co. and assumed that Maj. Hugh Henry must have been related and must have been from Berkeley Co. VA, but again there is not a single documented proof for this, and not one single person claims that there is. Sam Maner certainly does not think that his line was from Berkeley Co. VA. A D.A.R. pension application is not a proof within itself, nor is any list. Applications and even those that are accepted, and lists no matter how great they look, are not proofs. They are only as good as the proofs that went into them. The early applications to D.A. R. were accepted without the more stringent proofs that are now required. I don't doubt that Maj. Hugh Henry was at Kings Mountain. I do say there is not one shred of evidence that he was born in Berkeley Co. VA or any particular county in VA either. He was born in VA, but we don't know where. Sam will verify this. He has verified it to me in person. Sam's grandmother worked on the family tree most of her life. She is now deceased. Sam grew up working on his tree because of her involvement, but much of what they have is from oral tradition. Sam has also gotten one of my cousins into the Sons of the Revolution on my ancestor Casper Cable (Goebell in German) who was a Hessian soldier and fought for the British! We have a family legend that he fought for the Americans after deserting the Hessians/British. If so he was later recaptured, and again deserted from the British at John's Island, SC. (There are great proofs from records released in our Bicentennial Year that were furnished to us by Germany. Casper Cable was captured at Trenton, NJ, when Washington's troops crossed the Delaware. There is also great proof from the same source about the date of his desertion from Johns Island, SC, the people who deserted with him, the date, etc.) There is not one single shred of evidence that he ever served for the Americans, and I would be ashamed to be in the Sons of the Revolution based on a Hessian soldier. (I am not ashamed of my ancestor. I would just join an organization based on his service as a Hessian soldier.) The application says he served the Americans, but again that does not make it a fact! I just want to see documentation to back up any family legends no matter how strong they are. I think the world of Sam Maner for the dissemination of the genealogical material that he has put on-line for others to share, but he knows that I am much more careful on documentation than he is, and I shall remain so. I don't care where any particular Henry family originated. I will be quite happy with the locations wherever they were as soon as we have some proofs. Even strong circumstantial proofs will do if no more concrete ones are found. Actually Sam Maner's group of descendants of Samuel Henry and his son Maj. Hugh Henry always claimed that they were from Hanover Co. I had never heard them claim that they were from Berkeley Co. VA. By the way, Sam is no longer in charge of those pages, and I am not sure if he can edit them! You may check with him to verify anything that I am writing. Here is his email: genealogy@sevierlibrary.org Also there is no contest about who is right and who is wrong. Genealogy (at least as I view it) is about finding facts on our ancestors. Judy's statement that there is no documented proof for where Samuel Henry or his children were born (except it is accepted that the sons were born in VA) is true. Despite what anyone may have put on a D.A. R. application, there is no documentary evidence anywhere showing a birthplace for Maj. Hugh Henry. I would be as happy as anyone else to see such a proof, and I know that Sam Maner would be too. I am sending Sam Maner a copy of this email. I love him, and he knows it, and I'll not say anything about anyone that I wouldn't say straight to them. Doris Noland Parton Dandridge, TN Henry DNA Project Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: <pattee@charter.net> To: <HENRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:34 PM Subject: [HENRY] Henry DNA Project First Results > Doris, > I am NOT going to debate the issue. Who ever posted the info for Major > Hugh Henry on the Sevier County website may either know more or Judy Henry > is wrong! > This is the SEVIER CO., TN LIBRARY WEBSITE SCROLL DOWN FOR MAJOR HUGH > HENRY: > http://www.sevierlibrary.org/genealogy/militialist/revwar.htm > FROM THE SITE: > Henry, Hugh > Born April 1756 in Berkeley County Virginia Service Soldier In Virginia > And Again in North Carolina Served under Capt. Bledsoe in Battle of Kings > Mountain and under Col. Sevier at Battle of Boyd's Creek Married Mary Long > 1st, Mary Upton 2nd. died March 1838. > DAR Patriot Index Cent. Ed. Page 1396 > Buried Hugh Henry Cemetery. Kodak > I've had a copy of both my William & John Herny's Rev. War pension > applications including Elizabeth Jone Henry's widow application from the > Washington Archives for numerous years. > Patti >> Major Hugh Henry nor any of the Samuel Henry line was born in Berkley Co. >> VA >> so far as anyone knows . Another line of Sevier Co. TN Henrys, your >> line, >> William Henry of Jones Cove and his brother John, born Rev. War soldiers, >> were born in Berkley Co. VA. There is no definitive proof where Samuel >> Henry >> and his son Maj. Hugh Henry were born. There is no Rev. War pension for >> either of them. They were born in VA. Judy received her information >> from >> Sam, and when I checked with Sam he had no proof of the Hanover as a >> place >> of birth. I believe that the closest he can come to where they were in >> VA >> was that a descendant who went to AL put in a book "Goodspeeds? >> possibly" >> that Samuel Henry's family came from PA to near Richmond VA to Sevier Co. >> TN. I have not seen a single proof of documentation as to where they >> were >> in VA or where they were born. We see severaal mentions to a Samuel Henry >> in >> VA, but we don't get any clues to show which one of them he might be. >> >> In regards to your Henrys, I have transcribed Revolutionary Soldier John >> Henry of Cocke Co.'s pension, and I will post in this summer. He fought >> at >> Yorktown under George Washington and General Marcus (whom I believe was >> the >> Marquise de LaFayette from looking up information on the battles). No >> wife >> and children are listed in his pension, but that doesn't mean he didn't >> have >> a wife and children. It is ususally only in the widow's pension files >> that >> we find such information. He like his brother William of Jones Cove did >> put >> they were born in "Barkley" Co. VA which we know is Berkley, and forgive >> me >> if I spell any of them wrong as I am doing this from memory on a Sat. >> morning! >> >> I have a copy of Judy Henry's book, and she and I correspond several >> times >> a week. This is what Judy says in her well researched book about Samuel >> Henry's place of birth: >> >> Samuel Henry, Sr. >> >> >> >> Samuel1 Henry. The traditional date used for the birth of Samuel Henry, >> Sr. >> is about 1728 to 1730, though no document exists to prove when he was >> born. >> He may have been born in Scotland, Ireland, Pennsylvania or Virginia[i] >> and >> died, perhaps, about 1797[ii] in Carter or Washington County, Tennessee. >> He >> married Rachel Unknown, who may have died by 1801. >> >> >> >> >> >> According to Aurelia Cate Dawson, a descendant of Hugh Henry, there was a >> family tradition that "an old man - Henry with five or six sons settled >> in >> one of the upper counties of present East Tennessee in the early >> settlement >> of this country and that they were the progenitors of the East Tennessee >> Henrys."[i] Early Tennessee records proved that Samuel Henry, his wife, >> Rachel, and at least six of his sons, William, James, Hugh, John, Samuel, >> Jr. and Ezekiel, settled in the Watagua River Valley of what is now the >> Johnson City area of Eastern Tennessee by about 1775. They are an >> official >> First Family of Tennessee.[ii] >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> [i] Dawson, Our East Tennessee Kinsmen, p. 1. >> >> [ii] East Tennessee Historical Society. First Families of Tennessee, p. >> 174-175. >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> [i] Possible locations for his birth gleaned from undocumented research >> clues. >> >> [ii] Ray, Tennessee Cousins. He most certainly had died by 1801 when his >> sons sold his final property. >> >> >> >> You can purchase her book on a CD at a very reasonable price. If >> interested >> email me for her email if you don't have it already. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <pattee@charter.net> >> To: <HENRY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:48 PM >> Subject: [HENRY] Henry DNA Project First Results >> >> >> > Doris and all, >> > For those who are researching the Samuel Henry line, which has been >> > referred to for the DNA study through Judy Henry's book. Judy states >> > Major >> > Hugh Henry Sr. s/o Samuel & Rachel Henry was born in Hanover Co., VA. >> > Per: >> > Major Hugh Henry Sr. Rev. War Pension (it's my understanding a copy is >> > at >> > the Sevier Co., TN library) states he was born in Berkeley County, >> > Virginia. The Sevier County library's web site has a list of Rev. War >> > soldiers and where they where born. Major Hugh Henry's is listed. >> > This may assist those who have been looking in the wrong area for >> > additional records. There is too much of a distance to be able to >> > locate >> > any records. It's very possible Samuel Henry may have been there for >> > several years and all of his children where born there. I'm not >> > researching that line at the present. >> > Patti > > > ==== HENRY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from Mail Mode send a message to: > HENRY-L-request@rootsweb.com [HENRY-D-request@rootsweb.com for Digest > Mode] that contains (in the body of the message) ONLY the command > unsubscribe.Subject line: Unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >