Posted on: HEADLEY Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/h/e/HEADLEY/queries?read=6 Surname: headley ------------------------- I am looking for any information I can on John and Lydia Headley. They came to America from England around 1850. They settle in Saybrook township for awhile but moved to a town called Monroe in Ashtabula County Ohio. They had forteen children. Would appreciate any information. Cindy

Posted on: HEADLEY Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/h/e/HEADLEY/queries?read=5 Surname: YOUNG, HEADLEY ------------------------- Sorry, I don't know these people.

Posted on: HEADLEY Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/h/e/HEADLEY/queries?read=4 Surname: Headley ------------------------- Looking for any info on John and Lydia Headley and his parents John and Ann. They moved from Cambridgeshire England to Ohio around 1850. Cindy Headley Calaway

Do you have any info on a Richard Headley born 1642 in Northumberland? Craig Smith

Do you have any info on a Richard Headley born 1642 in Northumberland? Craig Smith

Does anyone have a photograph of Abraham Headlee (AKA Headley) b. 11/20/1812 Greene Co., PA s/o Isaac & Elizabeth (Weirs/Wiers) Headlee? Abraham m. 8/9/1835 Elizabeth Whitlatch. Thanks!

Hi Listers, I am forwarding this from Betty to the list. Can anyone help her? Peggy >Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:33:17 -0800 >X-From_: sleuth4@attglobal.net Sun Feb 6 10:33:16 2000 >Old-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:41:01 -0800 >From: Betty Jackan <sleuth4@attglobal.net> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en]C-DIAL (Win16; U) >To: "HEADLEY-L@rootsweb.com" <HEADLEY-L@rootsweb.com> >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >Subject: {not a subscriber} SAMUEL HEADLEY 1802 PA/Va - 1860 IL >X-Envelope-To: HEADLEY-L > >My 3-g grandfather was Samuel HEADLEY b 1802. When he appears in the >1860 Fulton Co, IL, census it says he was born in PA and in the 1870 >Fulton Co, IL, census it states he was born in VA. I don't who his >parents were nor do I know of any siblings. He mar Rachael SCOTT b 1802 >in PA. Date and place unknown. The only child I know of is my 2-g >grandfather John Barret HEADLEY b 1842 VA (WVA) who mar Sarilda MAHANNAH >1862 in IL. In the 1870 Fulton Co, IL, census it shows a Samuel HEADLEY >age 37, b in OH >as living next to John Barret (who lived next to his parents). It >appears to me there is a probable relationship, but I don't know what it >is. > >Any information on this line would be appreciated. >Betty Jackan

Dear Betty (with a copy to the Headley list), I don't have anything on your Samuel Headley, but maybe I can offer some clues on where to look. Since his birthplace is alternately given as VA and PA, and he had a child born in (W)VA, this suggests to me that he lived in the southwestern corner of PA. This area was claimed by both PA and what was then VA (now WV) right around the time your Samuel was born, so that could explain the reference to both PA and VA as his birthplace. You might look for Samuel and his family in one of the "border counties" in this area, namely Greene or Washington County, PA, or Monongalia County, (W)VA; there were many Headleys (and Scotts) in these locations at that time. Hope this helps...good luck! Gail Headlee In a message dated 2/6/2000 7:39:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, HEADLEY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:39:13 -0600 From: TCF <tcf@genealogist.net> To: HEADLEY-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000206153804.0095e2c0@mail.qzip.net> Subject: [HEADLEY] Fwd: {not a subscriber} SAMUEL HEADLEY 1802 PA/Va - 1860 IL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Listers, I am forwarding this from Betty to the list. Can anyone help her? Peggy >Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:33:17 -0800 >X-From_: sleuth4@attglobal.net Sun Feb 6 10:33:16 2000 >Old-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:41:01 -0800 >From: Betty Jackan <sleuth4@attglobal.net> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en]C-DIAL (Win16; U) >To: "HEADLEY-L@rootsweb.com" <HEADLEY-L@rootsweb.com> >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >Subject: {not a subscriber} SAMUEL HEADLEY 1802 PA/Va - 1860 IL >X-Envelope-To: HEADLEY-L > >My 3-g grandfather was Samuel HEADLEY b 1802. When he appears in the >1860 Fulton Co, IL, census it says he was born in PA and in the 1870 >Fulton Co, IL, census it states he was born in VA. I don't who his >parents were nor do I know of any siblings. He mar Rachael SCOTT b 1802 >in PA. Date and place unknown. The only child I know of is my 2-g >grandfather John Barret HEADLEY b 1842 VA (WVA) who mar Sarilda MAHANNAH >1862 in IL. In the 1870 Fulton Co, IL, census it shows a Samuel HEADLEY >age 37, b in OH >as living next to John Barret (who lived next to his parents). It >appears to me there is a probable relationship, but I don't know what it >is. > >Any information on this line would be appreciated. >Betty Jackan >>

Maureen, There are Headley families in northeastern New Jersey in the mid - to - late 1700's. My Headley/Hadley family moved to Columbiana Co., Ohio in the early 1800's. Why not see what there is in the index for the 1880 and 1900 Federal Census for New Jersey? I would be interested in knowing what funerals usually cost in 1891. Do you suppose the gloves were for the pallbearers to wear? and they kept the gloves, of course? Hmmm. No church service expenses and no minister expenses. Thank you for sharing. Maggie Kitts ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen Foster <mfoster@howell.imrglobal.com> To: <HEADLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:49 PM Subject: [HEADLEY] Samuel Headley- Toms River NJ 1891 > While at my local F.C., I found this entry in Miscellaneous Mortician's Records of Ocean County, NJ. I am not sure which of the Samuel Headleys this is. Is anyone on this list researching Headley from Tuckerton/Toms River in Ocean County? > > >From the Mortician's book of accounts: > > July 7th, 1891 > Samuel Headley > # Funeral Expenses for Wife $50.00 > # Embalming $ 5.00 > # 4 Carriages $10.00 > # Single Hearse & Carriage $ 2.00 > # Opening & Closing of ground $ 2.50 > # Gloves for Pall Bearers $ .50 > ?------- > $70.00 > > This must have been an elaborate funeral to have cost $70 in 1891! > Maureen Foster

While at my local F.C., I found this entry in Miscellaneous Mortician's Records of Ocean County, NJ. I am not sure which of the Samuel Headleys this is. Is anyone on this list researching Headley from Tuckerton/Toms River in Ocean County? >From the Mortician's book of accounts: July 7th, 1891 Samuel Headley # Funeral Expenses for Wife $50.00 # Embalming $ 5.00 # 4 Carriages $10.00 # Single Hearse & Carriage $ 2.00 # Opening & Closing of ground $ 2.50 # Gloves for Pall Bearers $ .50 ―------- $70.00 This must have been an elaborate funeral to have cost $70 in 1891! Maureen Foster

Hello list, I've recently posted a number of Headlee/Headley obituaries to the RootsWeb Headley obituary board at <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/h/e/HEADLEY/obituaries>. These came from a transcription project that originated on the Greene County, PA mail list. If you are researching Headlee/Headley in Greene County, PA and surrounding areas you might want to take a look. There are more to come in the next few days, so if you don't find anyone this time check back again soon. Gail Headlee glheadlee@aol.com ============== Researching HEADLEE/HEADLEY, DEJEAN, KIGER, MCCLINTOCK in Pennsylvania & Ohio; and WITZKE, DEY/DEJ, HOHERTZ, ZIELKE/CYLKE, LEPPERT, SIEFERT, VETTER in Germany & Poland

Hi Listers, Although I do not normally post virus warnings to the list, I wanted all of you to know that there appears to be an onslaught of virus and worms "floating" around at this time. Please, folks, be very careful of opening attachments that may come with your email. If you see any attachments that use ".exe" after the name, contact the sender and ask if they have sent you an attachment. If they have not, then, delete the message immediately! Reading the email won't give you the virus or worm, but, the attachment will. Some of the worms and virus can make it look as if it has come from a friend or from a website that you visit. Please know that RootsWeb does not accept any attachments, therefore, you can not get any of this from being on the mailing lists. Visit http://www.mcafee.com or http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/index.html for a list of new worms and such and try and keep your virus software updated. My best to all of you in this Holiday Season, Peggy Tebbetts

More importantly, if it is medical information, it could affect your or your children. One has to bear in mind that it is both the good and the bad things about us that makes us human. Names, dates, and places are all very well, but it is the "fleshing out" of stories that makes a true family history. An example was given of someone placed in a mental institution. In the past, a nervous breakdown would have been cause for such treatment. In any regard, I will continue to try to find out all that I can, and express my appreciation to those who provide the information. Bill

Hi Gail, - --------------------------------------------------------------- ....I believe copyrights expire after 75 years if not renewed, so if this is the case then anything copyrighted before 1924 (and not copyright renewed) is now public domain...... - --------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for clarifying that, now that you mention it, that is exactly correct!! Duh, sometimes I can't remember what I've read and where I've read it!! And, by the way, you are not ignorant, I appreciate what you did to help the rest of the list....your heart is definitely in the right place! : ) OK, folks, has anyone established exactly what year the Headley families moved from New Jersey to Pennsylvania? I know that it was after the Rev War, but prior to 1790.... anyone have a clue? Peggy

Hi Susan, I agree with you 100% about what people print in books and articles and how that makes our ancestors look. Personally, I get offended in the fact that for $39.95, anyone can get info on how many cars we own, what property we have, etc. I don't think it's anyones dang business but mine, and it makes my blood pressure go off scale when I think of it. I mean, what about the privacy act of 1968, doesn't that apply to the Internet?! As for copyrights, though, it's not "worrying about ourselves", heck, if I authored a work and someone quoted me, as long as they stated that I was the author and such, I wouldn't care. But, there are laws that state that unless you have consent from the author, you can not print it verbatim. There are lots of authors out there that do not take kindly to people quoting them and that's a fact. Can't get around it, so, it's better to paraphrase and still give the authors name and date, etc. I wish that we as a people hadn't become such a cynical bunch, it's really a shame to me that we as the human race are more concerned with gossip and what dirt we can dig up on a certain individual, instead of trying to be kind to each other and help each other like we used to....what has happened to us as a people?! Anyway, to get back to the genealogical side of this, I still honestly believe that the majority of people that I have come in contact with that do genealogy are some of the nicest people in the world, as they will help others in any way that they can. I am very proud of my Headley ancestors, and I wonder what they were truly like, I know that they served in the Rev War and the War of 1812, and most lived until an old age. I wonder how rough life was for them and if they were kind and decent people....I hope in my heart of hearts that they were and when they passed on, there were many that grieved over them, not because they were someone rich and important, but, because they were decent human beings that would give what little they had to share so that someone else could survive and such. Just have always wondered.... Food for thought, Peggy

Why do we want to exclude facts from family information?? Do we pick and choose what are descendants are to know? Why hide it? I certainly appreciate what you are saying and maybe people can do this kind of stuff one on one instead of to the list. But, I for one have every desire to learn every truth about my family. No matter what it is. It doesn't affect who I am now or who my children are. Thanks Brenda

Hello to all, I know what they say about "opinions"... so indulge me please. I have wanted to say this for a couple of months now. I have finally got the courage to say it. Please, I do not mean to offend. I just want to express my feelings. We all also need to remember that line of Respect for those before us. There is a lot of information that can be accessed in our own century...the 20th. And even tho we can get the information legally, we need to ask ourselves "would I want this information staring my children, and children's children in the face somewhere down the line?" I know there are a lot of people doing other genealogies trying to piece together illegitimate children and prove parentage, and to me, this is acceptable. But sometimes the "details" have no place in a genealogy that is going to be "passed around". There are even people who find it "necessary" to access Medical Records from the 20th century. This is fine and good. But shouldn't the "respect line" be drawn when it concerns "Mental Hospital PATIENT Records"? I mean, to put in page after page of scanned copies of a Mental Health Record... in a "book", and pass it around... Come on, have we no "respect?" When we "worry about Copyright laws", we are essentially "worrying about ourselves". So let's all put ourselves in "the other persons shoes" and ask, "If I lived a good life, farmed/worked hard, raised and loved my family, then had someone 50 years or so later access personal information of a sensitive nature, would I want THAT as MY legacy?" Because sometimes, all the good we do and life we live goes unnoticed and overshadowed by something we have no control over. And it would be sad to be remembered only with "he was crazy...". Personally, if I ever received a Genealogy Report with such personal information in it, just to "make the book look bigger", or to say ..."look WHAT I found out"... I would not use it in any way. I would not bother to use their work in any way... And I would probably stop my search on that family altogether. And if I were on a list that had someone handing out Volumes of Genealogy Records to everyone that wanted them at Family Reunions, and it did have such sad and personal information in it... I would Unsubscribe to the list-name from wince it came. We should all take care in what we do. Remember, it not only affects the person doing it, it also affects, and offends many many more. I was not born Headley. But my husband was. What affects him, affects me also. Thank all for taking the time to read "my opinion". Susie Headley

I apologize if I infringed on anyone's rights (copyright or otherwise) with my post from a copyrighted work. Blame it on my own ignorance. The book from which I quoted has been out of print for 40 years and the author deceased for nearly that long, so while that does not make it okay to violate copyright laws, this information is not readily available to researchers and I thought sharing it would be appropriate. I would not have posted info like this from any currently available published source. Again I apologize and assure you my heart was in the right place, even though my brain may have been on vacation! By the way, Peggy mentioned that the copyright laws do not apply prior to a date in the 1920s...I believe copyrights expire after 75 years if not renewed, so if this is the case then anything copyrighted before 1924 (and not copyright renewed) is now public domain. Gail Headlee glheadlee@aol.com

Hi to all, Just a reminder to please respect the copyright laws, never quote verbatim from a publication, and always give credit to the author of the work. Facts, ie. marriage dates, birth and death dates, are not in themselves copyrighted, and can put on the list, but, articles containing facts, such as obituaries, can not be quoted verbatim. (unless it was prior to 1920 something, I'll have to look up the exact date and let you know....) I realize that we, as genealogists, have hearts of gold, and want to help each other all that we can with any info that we find. I appreciate all the hard work that goes into getting that info to the people that would need it. We just have to be very careful not to infringe on the author's copyright. (Plus, RootsWeb is a stickler about not having copyrighted material on the lists.) I hope all is well with everyone, Peggy

Below are some book excerpts I typed up to share with another Headlee researcher; I thought others on the list might be interested in this, too. Gail Headlee glheadlee@aol.com ================= >From "A History of the Headley and Headlee Families" by Ray L. Headlee, copyright 1959. (Note: This book focuses on the descendants of Ephraim Headlee b 1758 & Mary Fordyce b 1763, so the author's use of "our family" and similar statements generally refers to these descendants.) p. 17-18 "The available traditions and histories seem to indicate that Richard Headlee was born about 1690, and was of the third generation in America. The writer, after study of the existing histories and family records, believes that a reconcilement of this, our history, with the older histories mentioned herein, is easily arrived at, and now gives us, without doubt, an unbroken line of descent from Richard Headlee down to our time. On the other hand, to dispose of the matter of the ancestry of Richard Headlee, by inferring he was a grandson of Leonard Headley, one of our first two immigrants to the Boston Bay Colony, would be largely conjectural. Your writer prefers, however, to leave the matter of the ancestry of Richard, open for later, and possibly more accurate inquiry and determination. In justification of the statements hereafter made in this connection, please read the following combination of facts about dates and relationship possibliities, which one day, may help some more insistent family member to determine the exact relationships. Leonard Headley, whom the Fretz history names as the possible progenitor of the Headleys in that history, was as stated therein, one of our first two immigrants from England. That history also states it is believed Leonard Headley's brother, John Hedley came with him. Leonard took up land near Elizabethtown, New Jersey, as one of a colony of 65 persons, in February of 1665, and there took the oath of allegiance to the Lord Proprietors and the English king. Leonard Headley died in New Jersey in February, 1683. Reading between the lines, it may be assumed that he lived a life of average length, or about sixy years. Most immigrants arriving from Europe in those days, we are told, were comparatively young people, many of them newly married, or of marriageable age. Figuring Leonard to have been in his early twenties, at this time, he would by this reasoning, have been born about 1623, and probably arrived in America just before 1650, or somewhat less than 30 years after the arrival of the Mayflower. About 15 years elapsed after his arrival to the time he finally settled in New Jersey, prior to, or with the Cartaret colony. During this 15 year period, he may have lived, most of the time, in Connecticut. Many of the 65 persons in the migration party (5 of whom joined the party enroute, or arrived ahead of the 60 persons who originally made up the party) came from the same section of Connecticut, and their first New Jersey settlement was named 'Connecticut Farms.' With all these matters in mind it would be natural for the reader to speculate on what may have happened to the brother John Hedley. Since the general trend of the migrations was toward the west, the brother John may have later followed Leonard into the New Jersey county, and may have himself become progenitor of many of the Headleys, who lived and worked, and helped clear that country for occupancy during the one hundred and ten years, or so, before the start of the Revolutionary War. Following the settlement at Elizabethtown, the family members, throughout that period of more than one hundred years, spread out throught the New Jersey county, from Essex County (a part of which later became Union County) to Morris County and Sussex County, New Jersey, and Orange (and other counties) in southern New York, as well as into eastern Pennsylvania. It is true our family records and traditions prove that the ancestors of the families in this history, lived in the midst of this New Jersey area, which was and still is, the home of many family members, and that there can be but little doubt their immediate relationship to, and descent from the same sources mentioned in these older New Jersey histories." p. 19-20 "The Fretz history of the family gives us this brief comment: 'The Headley family undoubtedly is of English origin, though one tradition says the family came from Scotland. The name in the twelfth century was 'De Haddeleigh' and in the Latin form 'de Hadliens', the significance of the name being 'of the woods.'" "Sometime after the twelfth century, the family name became variously: Hedly, Hedley, Hadley, Headley, and finally in one family branch, Headlee." "Another indication of our English origin can be found in the fact that some of the early members of the family belonged to the English Peerage, so created about the year 1230 A.D., and it is probable that a seat in the House of Lords goes with that title. Your writer has a clipping from a Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania newspaper, in the year 1920, which is self explanatory: 'London, January 6th - Baron Cunliffe, of Headley, governor of the bank of England, died suddenly last night. Baron Cunliffe became governor of the bank of England in 1913. He was a director of the Northwestern Railway and became the Baron of Headley in 1913.' Research by the author reveals that early family members held positions of influence under the crowned heads in England, Ireland, and Wales during the Feudal era. Study of Burke's Peerage and the "Amorial Families" by Fox-Davies shows that titles 'Baron of Headley' and 'Baron of Hedley' were bestowed at various times in these 3 countries. It seems that none of this information antedates the 16th century. So the name of the first Baron of Headley, so honored about 1230 A.D. (as appears on his coat of arms) and his succeeding holders of the title, are unknown to the authors mentioned. No doubt those holding such titles between the twelfth and sixteenth centuries could be discovered by name only by diligent search (at considerable cost) through the archives of those countries. Besides the names Cunliffe, heretofore mentioned, successors to the titles, that now appear off record, are the family names of Allanson and Wynn (in County Kerry in Ireland) and one Oswald William Edward Hedley (in England). That the family roots were at one time firmly established in the country directly south of London, is evidenced by replies from two of those districts to your writer's inquiries in search of present family members in the area. Unfortunately, no living members of the family are to be found in either district. One reply in part says: 'Your letter of 30 June (1958) has been passed to me by the Clerk of the Headley Parish Council of Headley, Bordon, Hampshire. You may be unaware that there are two Headleys at least in England, one in Hampshire and one in Surrey.' This letter bears signature of H.R. Fortesque, Solicitor, Leatherhead, Surrey, England." p. 20 "The Fretz history says there is a tradition that two brothers, tanners and curriers by occupation, came from Manchester, England some time before 1665. John Hedley, one of the brothers, located shortly at New Port, Rhode Island. The other brother, it is now pretty certainly believed was Leonard Headley, who became head of most of the New Jersey families by that name." p. 23 "The Fretz history prints notes from a Miss Mary Headley of Newark, New Jersey, naming other immigrants to America, as follows: Michael Headley, shipped from Graves End, England, August 21, 1635, on the ship 'George,' bound for Virginia. Edward Headley and Thomas Headley shipped on the 'True Love,' Robert Dennis, Master, on June 10, 1635." p. 33 "This tradition has been put in writing in Bates' History of Greene County, Pennsylvania, by two branches of our family; one by Jeremiah Headlee, son of Silas Headlee, and the other by G.F. Headley, grandson of Jesse Headlee. The G.F. Headley version is given below: He (Richard Headlee) was a sailor in the British Navy, from which he deserted and made his way into the then wilds of New Jersey, where he married, but was afterwards discovered, and according to 'once an Englishman, always an Englishman' he was sent for by a company of 20 British sailors. He resisted and gave a good account of himself, but was overpowered, and again impressed into the service, and kept there against his will for seven years. Later as a seaman cruising along the New Jersey shore, he jumped overboard, swam ashore, and finally made his way back to his family near Trenton, N.J. He had a son John Headley, who died in the patriot army. John had a son in the same war. (In another chapter herein is given a tradition from the Francis Headley descendants, which says there were two Headley brothers involved in this incident.) Comment by the writer: The British long before the Revolution, during that war, and up to and including the war of 1812, were constantly impressing into their naval service, colonists picked up on shore and taken from ships at sea."