Hi Lee, Enjoyed that and it made a lot of sense. I once asked why you never saw elderberrys anymore and my old wise Uncle told me it's because there are no dirt roads anymore. He might have a point, because as a kid I picked elderberrys and as I recall they all ways grew along a dirt road. Who is the local Elderberry expert on here? I have not picked Elderberrys since about 1950. Jim Cottrill