Thank you. I googled Bulltown massacre and found lots of information. Recently I reread and read three of Allen Eckart's books, The Frontiersman, The Conqueror, and Wilderness. They have some of the best information on the Indians from about 1700 to 1830's that I had seen before. Linda In a message dated 1/26/2010 2:46:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: There's some uncertainty about the Bulltown massacre, and I don't know if it's something we can still resolve. Captain Bull the son of Teedyuscung is usually assumed to have been the "Bull" of Bulltown. I imagine this is right though I wouldn't say there was positive proof. I've heard it said that the son of Teedyuscung lived in later years on the White River in Indiana. I personally don't have proof of that either, but Delaware specialists would know. According to the traditional account of the Bulltown massacre Bull and the rest of the people in his village were killed by a settler band that included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and several others, in 1772. Withers published the story in 1831 and it's been current ever since. Bob Smith of HCPD published a brief study of the subject in the Hackers Creek Journal years ago, suggesting that in reality the settler band found an abandoned village and invented the massacre story as a way of reassuring frightened families that the danger was past. I should point out that such a massacre of peaceful Delawares, had it ever been discovered, would have guaranteed a season of deadly raiding in revenge. And no such raiding followed. At the least it would have been necessary to negotiate an alternative to such vengeance. Again nothing of the kind is known to have occured. So I'm inclined to agree with Bob Smith that the massacre story was a fiction of some sort. Now, in 1781 another settler band--call them militia, I suppose--went in pursuit of a party that raided the Leading Creek settlements in the Tygart valley. William Lowther led this group. It included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and about a dozen others. The pursuers caught up with the raiders on the Hughes River and shot and killed several from ambush. This is a well known story too. Interestingly, the raiders are said traditionally to have been Delawares led by Captain Bull and Captain Johnny. The historical Bull and Johnny were both at some stage Moravian converts. Both had responsibilities among the Delaware that would have led in wartime to a conflict over the proper role to adopt. We know that in Pennsylvania during the French and Indian War Bull led a merciless raid in vengeance for the apparent murder of his father and the destruction of two Delaware villages. We know that during the Revolution Johnny was one of the Delawares who were prominent--though not very numerous--allies of the Patriots. So it seems a little unlikely that he was raiding in the Tygart Valley in '81, though I suppose he may have shifted his alliance, as others did in that season. As for his death, Johnny and his wife were among the slain at Gnadenhutten in '82. I bring this up to show how difficult it can be to bring history and tradition into any sort of alignment. One of the principal sources of the Bulltown story is the Cutright tradition, and in his old age it doesn't seem that John Cutright was able to distinguish the events of 1772 (the alleged Bulltown massacre) from the events of 1781 (the Leading Creek pursuit), with the result that Jesse Hughes had the honor, so to speak, of killing Captain Bull on two occasions. What's to be made of all this? I wish I knew. As a massacre story Bulltown is almost a miniature of Gnadenhutten. Angry settlers kill Indians associated with the Moravian missions, giving the justification that clothing found matched the clothing of slain settlers, etc. In later years it became a sort of game to name the participants in these infamous acts. John Cutright is made to confess on his deathbed, as if he were accepting salvation at last and admitting that he could not justify the conduct of his life. In other words, the story of the story makes sense. But this doesn't take us back to the facts. (Now I'll have to go back to the sources and see what I've gotten wrong.) David Houchin Special Collections Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > Can someone tell me if the Indians were killed at Bulltown or not? It > seems to me that i read somewhere that they actually moved to Ohio. > > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:27 pm Subject: Re: PEDIGREE CHART Ruby, There are downloadable charts on the web site. http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm This is on the "Archives" page just below the links to the stories in the block containing the list of newsletters. The charts have been there ever since I put the web site up. The first one shows the pedigree chart similar to the one in the News Letter Dick -----Original Message----- From: Ruby Casto <[email protected]> To: Dick Wilt <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:27 am Subject: PEDIGREE CHART Dick, Is there some way that you could put a pedigree chart on the web page so that if someone needed another one all they would have to do is print it off? Just wondering. Ruby

There's some uncertainty about the Bulltown massacre, and I don't know if it's something we can still resolve. Captain Bull the son of Teedyuscung is usually assumed to have been the "Bull" of Bulltown. I imagine this is right though I wouldn't say there was positive proof. I've heard it said that the son of Teedyuscung lived in later years on the White River in Indiana. I personally don't have proof of that either, but Delaware specialists would know. According to the traditional account of the Bulltown massacre Bull and the rest of the people in his village were killed by a settler band that included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and several others, in 1772. Withers published the story in 1831 and it's been current ever since. Bob Smith of HCPD published a brief study of the subject in the Hackers Creek Journal years ago, suggesting that in reality the settler band found an abandoned village and invented the massacre story as a way of reassuring frightened families that the danger was past. I should point out that such a massacre of peaceful Delawares, had it ever been discovered, would have guaranteed a season of deadly raiding in revenge. And no such raiding followed. At the least it would have been necessary to negotiate an alternative to such vengeance. Again nothing of the kind is known to have occured. So I'm inclined to agree with Bob Smith that the massacre story was a fiction of some sort. Now, in 1781 another settler band--call them militia, I suppose--went in pursuit of a party that raided the Leading Creek settlements in the Tygart valley. William Lowther led this group. It included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and about a dozen others. The pursuers caught up with the raiders on the Hughes River and shot and killed several from ambush. This is a well known story too. Interestingly, the raiders are said traditionally to have been Delawares led by Captain Bull and Captain Johnny. The historical Bull and Johnny were both at some stage Moravian converts. Both had responsibilities among the Delaware that would have led in wartime to a conflict over the proper role to adopt. We know that in Pennsylvania during the French and Indian War Bull led a merciless raid in vengeance for the apparent murder of his father and the destruction of two Delaware villages. We know that during the Revolution Johnny was one of the Delawares who were prominent--though not very numerous--allies of the Patriots. So it seems a little unlikely that he was raiding in the Tygart Valley in '81, though I suppose he may have shifted his alliance, as others did in that season. As for his death, Johnny and his wife were among the slain at Gnadenhutten in '82. I bring this up to show how difficult it can be to bring history and tradition into any sort of alignment. One of the principal sources of the Bulltown story is the Cutright tradition, and in his old age it doesn't seem that John Cutright was able to distinguish the events of 1772 (the alleged Bulltown massacre) from the events of 1781 (the Leading Creek pursuit), with the result that Jesse Hughes had the honor, so to speak, of killing Captain Bull on two occasions. What's to be made of all this? I wish I knew. As a massacre story Bulltown is almost a miniature of Gnadenhutten. Angry settlers kill Indians associated with the Moravian missions, giving the justification that clothing found matched the clothing of slain settlers, etc. In later years it became a sort of game to name the participants in these infamous acts. John Cutright is made to confess on his deathbed, as if he were accepting salvation at last and admitting that he could not justify the conduct of his life. In other words, the story of the story makes sense. But this doesn't take us back to the facts. (Now I'll have to go back to the sources and see what I've gotten wrong.) David Houchin Special Collections Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > Can someone tell me if the Indians were killed at Bulltown or not? It > seems to me that i read somewhere that they actually moved to Ohio. > > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Donna, These will not be put on line as far as I know. I think Diana wants to make a publication out of them. When Diana gets on the computer after work maybe she will get on here and explain it to everyone better than I can. When I got my newsletter that was the first that I knew about her idea of doing this. She is also the one that did the Genealogy wish list which I thought was a good idea. Ruby

Ruby, I just need something clarified as some members have now mentioned the website in regard to these charts. By initialing, am I giving my permission for HCGS to publish this information online? I would be happy to send my chart in for use of the members of the society or for the possibility of some kind of future publication. However, I have concerns regarding online publication. Can you clarify? Donna Pellegrin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruby Casto Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:33 AM To: Harrison County Genealogical Society Subject: [HCGS] PEDIGREE CHARTS Just make sure you initial your charts or write on them and give HCGS permission to print. Ruby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just make sure you initial your charts or write on them and give HCGS permission to print. Ruby

Linda, Everyone is being sent the pedigree charts and it does not make any difference which charts you use. The more generations she gets the better it will be. I know we had 15 generation charts at the Waldomore one time and they are to big and these are just the right size to put in a notebook. Just fill them out and mail them into Diana Johnson at: Harrison County Genealogical Society P O Box 387 Clarksburg, WV 26301 I think she wants to get a project started for summer. Ruby

Are these blank charts being mailed to all members? Will the ones from Family Tree do? How many generations do you want? I can go way back on several of my lines. Linda Researching Paternal: STEORTS, STORTS, STOTS, COOKMAN, BAILEY, NORRIS, BOGGS, HAYHURST, JOLLIFFE, TRACY, CUTLIP, GAREE, BEAUCHAMP, LEMASTERS, MURPHY, COLLINS, SPRINGER, LOWTHER, MINTER, CARR, CLENDENIN, Researching Maternal : MULLINS, WALKER, GRAY, MOLLOHAN, EWING, BAYLOCK, VANOVER, FUEL, RIFFLE, STANDLEY, LEWIS, McCABO, DODDRILL, BELL, MURPHEY, OLDNER, CRAWFORD

Linda, Do a Google search on 'Bulltown Indian massacre' - it will bring up a few sources where you will find the answer. On is the West Virginia Heritage site. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > Can someone tell me if the Indians were killed at Bulltown or not? It > seems to me that i read somewhere that they actually moved to Ohio. > > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Eva, I talked to Diana today and she said we can fill out as many as we want to. I'm sure it won't matter if it is the same chart or not. I'm filling one out for Bob because his family is totally different from mine. There are several members that have the Nay, Martin, Davis, Sturm, Ashcraft, Cutright, Hacker, Smith and Winemiller lines. They have been traced back many generations, and if we started them all out with ourselves we really wouldn't go back to far. Hope this has answered your question. Ruby

Can someone tell me if the Indians were killed at Bulltown or not? It seems to me that i read somewhere that they actually moved to Ohio. Linda

Ruby, I am in the process of filling out my ancestors chart, but what about my Husbands side of the family, I have several charts already prepared, of other family members. The only difference is they are not the same form as was given with the newsletter, But they are ancestoral charts. Thanks for the newsletter, I have marked the names of those who are researching the same families. I am plaeased to know that there are others reseaching some of my lines and plan to contact those who I think would like to share information. Eva Newlon ________________________________ From: Ruby Casto <[email protected]> To: Harrison County Genealogical Society <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 4:03:39 PM Subject: [HCGS] HCGS NEWSLETTER The December, 2009 newsletters have been mailed and Diana has asked that each of you turn to the back page and fill in the pedigree chart and initial and send back to us.  By initialing it you are giving us permission to maybe publish a book on them at some future date. Thanks, Ruby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe they could be put on the website for members only? Or with only basic information to "lure" new members? Barbara Douglas Edkin Livingston, CA

The December, 2009 newsletters have been mailed and Diana has asked that each of you turn to the back page and fill in the pedigree chart and initial and send back to us. By initialing it you are giving us permission to maybe publish a book on them at some future date. Thanks, Ruby

that is a nice idea. --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Ruby Casto <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ruby Casto <[email protected]> Subject: [HCGS] HCGS NEWSLETTER To: "Harrison County Genealogical Society" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 1:03 PM The December, 2009 newsletters have been mailed and Diana has asked that each of you turn to the back page and fill in the pedigree chart and initial and send back to us.  By initialing it you are giving us permission to maybe publish a book on them at some future date. Thanks, Ruby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry about that guess I need to read better. Thanks Patricia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruby Casto Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HCGS] CHARTER MEMBERS I have you as a life member but not until Oct. 6, 1995. The ones I listed were charter members from the beginning, 1984 Ruby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Viellenave" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [HCGS] CHARTER MEMBERS > Ruby I am a life member > Patricia Viellenave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Ruby Casto > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:57 PM > To: Harrison County Genealogical Society > Subject: [HCGS] CHARTER MEMBERS > > Our first surname list for HCGS was put out on April 11, 1985. > > The following members are still on our membership roster as of December, > 2009 > > Sharon Bramhall > Ruby Casto > Margaret Fitzpatrick > Barbara Hamilton > Patty Hickman > Sue Moore > John Nuzum > Virginia Nuzum > Yvonne Parkhurst > Darrell Waugh > > There were 106 members. Some are still living but they are not members > anymore. > > Ruby > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peet is her married name. Her husband James Peet just died recently. He died the 30th of December. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [HCGS] FIRST MEETING OF HCGS > What is a peet? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruby Casto" <[email protected]> > To: "Harrison County Genealogical Society" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:43 PM > Subject: [HCGS] FIRST MEETING OF HCGS > > >> The first meeting of the Harrison County Genealogical Society was held on >> February 3, 1984. >> >> Here is a list of the persons at that first meeting: >> >> Mary Virginia Sprouse deceased >> Sharon Ashcraft deceased >> Lea Preston don't know about her >> Sue Moore >> John Murphy deceased >> Patty Hickman >> John Nuzum >> Alta Boyce now a Peet not a member >> Charles Righter deceased >> James Gore don't know about him >> Ruby Casto >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

What is a peet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruby Casto" <[email protected]> To: "Harrison County Genealogical Society" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: [HCGS] FIRST MEETING OF HCGS > The first meeting of the Harrison County Genealogical Society was held on > February 3, 1984. > > Here is a list of the persons at that first meeting: > > Mary Virginia Sprouse deceased > Sharon Ashcraft deceased > Lea Preston don't know about her > Sue Moore > John Murphy deceased > Patty Hickman > John Nuzum > Alta Boyce now a Peet not a member > Charles Righter deceased > James Gore don't know about him > Ruby Casto > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Ruby, James Gore is also deceased. He was branch president of the Clarksburg branch of the LDS church. Diane Hill Zimmerman On 1/23/10, Ruby Casto <[email protected]> wrote: > The first meeting of the Harrison County Genealogical Society was held on > February 3, 1984. > > Here is a list of the persons at that first meeting: > > Mary Virginia Sprouse deceased > Sharon Ashcraft deceased > Lea Preston don't know about her > Sue Moore > John Murphy deceased > Patty Hickman > John Nuzum > Alta Boyce now a Peet not a member > Charles Righter deceased > James Gore don't know about him > Ruby Casto > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

The first meeting of the Harrison County Genealogical Society was held on February 3, 1984. Here is a list of the persons at that first meeting: Mary Virginia Sprouse deceased Sharon Ashcraft deceased Lea Preston don't know about her Sue Moore John Murphy deceased Patty Hickman John Nuzum Alta Boyce now a Peet not a member Charles Righter deceased James Gore don't know about him Ruby Casto