Is there a way to get a full screen image of the website?   All that I can see is less than half of the screen.  Dave Kuhl 210 Glen Eagles Drive Ocean Springs, MS 39564-9041 e-mail: [email protected] ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 8:31:16 PM Subject: [HCGS] WVHCGS Web Site The Harrison County Genealogical Society Web Site has been updated starting February 1, 2010. The format is changed slightly but will not be that noticeable. If you have any problems going from page to page or any other links please let me know. Please refresh or delete your history if you have any problems and try again. Dick Web Master http://www.wvhcgs.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alas, it's the case with me that I don't trust Glenn Lough any farther than I could (once) have thrown him. Core, to my continuing dismay, accepted practically anything Lough told him, to the detrement of the first volume of The Monongalia Story. Bob Smith of HCPD--though I didn't mention it the other day--also relied on Lough when writing his Bulltown article. (In his own Bulltown discussion Lough seems to have mistaken the White River in Indiana for the river of the same name in Arkansas; hence the assertion that Bull later lived on the lower Mississippi...) David Houchin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pearljean Smith" <[email protected]> To: "HarrisonCounty Geneology" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:14 PM Subject: [HCGS] Bulltown > Glenn Lough in Now and Long Ago and Earl Core in The Monongalia Story > volumn 1 both discuss the Bulltown affair. > Jean B.Smith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

That is not the first time I have heard that implied about Glenn Lough. Jean B Smith ________________________________ From: David Houchin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 3:29:49 PM Subject: Re: [HCGS] Bulltown Alas, it's the case with me that I don't trust Glenn Lough any farther than I could (once) have thrown him. Core, to my continuing dismay, accepted practically anything Lough told him, to the detrement of the first volume of The Monongalia Story. Bob Smith of HCPD--though I didn't mention it the other day--also relied on Lough when writing his Bulltown article. (In his own Bulltown discussion Lough seems to have mistaken the White River in Indiana for the river of the same name in Arkansas; hence the assertion that Bull later lived on the lower Mississippi...) David Houchin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pearljean Smith" <[email protected]> To: "HarrisonCounty Geneology" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:14 PM Subject: [HCGS] Bulltown > Glenn Lough in Now and Long Ago and Earl Core in The Monongalia Story > volumn 1 both discuss the Bulltown affair. > Jean B.Smith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glenn Lough in Now and Long Ago and Earl Core in The Monongalia Story volumn 1 both discuss the Bulltown affair. Jean B.Smith

Diane and other members of HCGS, Yes, charts that you have created from your genealogy software can be used. I put a blank chart in the newsletter in case there are members who don't have genealogy software. The pedigree charts will be used for a publication for HCGS, will NOT be put online. You may email the charts to me. Several have already done that. Thanks to all of you for sending your charts. It's been awhile since we've done an update on charts and I know I have found more info since the last time I submitted a chart. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Diane Zimmerman <[email protected]>wrote: > Diatna, > Can we print out charts from genealogy software? > Diane Zimmerman > > > On 1/26/10, Diana Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Dick, for the link for the charts at the society's website. > > > > Yes, you may email charts to me. I've already had a few charts come > through > > email attachments and haven't had a problem with them, yet. > > http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm > > Diana > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:04 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Just a little reminder the charts on the Web Site are type in charts. > >> > >> If you have the newest Adobe PDF you can type the information into the > >> chart > >> > >> > >> http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm > >> > >> Then all you have to do is click on Print on the PDF chart and you will > >> print all the information you have entered. > >> > >> You then can mail the printed chart and if you want to email it and you > >> have > >> permission to email it just scan your printed sheet and email the chart > to > >> Diana. Make sure you get Diana permission before you email the chart. > >> I know she can be overwhelmed with all of the charts. > >> > >> Dick > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

David dont put your self down I think we are all amateurs that say they are historian's as they have to dig and still not sure of what they really have court houses are not always correct either so keep in there and do like Grandma arnold keep notes and hope the puzzel will fit to gether sincerely Louise ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "David Houchin" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:53:36 -0500 >I had better say promptly that I'm an amateur historian at best. > >David H. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "William McAfee" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:13 PM >Subject: Re: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > > >> Thanks, David, for putting an historian's perspective on this "legend". >> >> Bill Mc Afee >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf >> Of David Houchin >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:46 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre >> >> There's some uncertainty about the Bulltown massacre, and I don't know if >> it's something we can still resolve. >> >> Captain Bull the son of Teedyuscung is usually assumed to have been the >> "Bull" of Bulltown. I imagine this is right though I wouldn't say there >> was >> >> positive proof. I've heard it said that the son of Teedyuscung lived in >> later years on the White River in Indiana. I personally don't have proof >> of >> >> that either, but Delaware specialists would know. >> >> According to the traditional account of the Bulltown massacre Bull and >> the >> rest of the people in his village were killed by a settler band that >> included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and several others, in 1772. Withers >> published the story in 1831 and it's been current ever since. >> >> Bob Smith of HCPD published a brief study of the subject in the Hackers >> Creek Journal years ago, suggesting that in reality the settler band found >> an abandoned village and invented the massacre story as a way of >> reassuring >> frightened families that the danger was past. >> >> I should point out that such a massacre of peaceful Delawares, had it ever >> been discovered, would have guaranteed a season of deadly raiding in >> revenge. And no such raiding followed. At the least it would have been >> necessary to negotiate an alternative to such vengeance. Again nothing of >> the kind is known to have occured. So I'm inclined to agree with Bob >> Smith >> that the massacre story was a fiction of some sort. >> >> Now, in 1781 another settler band--call them militia, I suppose--went in >> pursuit of a party that raided the Leading Creek settlements in the Tygart >> valley. William Lowther led this group. It included John Cutright, Jesse >> Hughes and about a dozen others. >> >> The pursuers caught up with the raiders on the Hughes River and shot and >> killed several from ambush. This is a well known story too. >> Interestingly, >> >> the raiders are said traditionally to have been Delawares led by Captain >> Bull and Captain Johnny. >> >> The historical Bull and Johnny were both at some stage Moravian converts. >> Both had responsibilities among the Delaware that would have led in >> wartime >> to a conflict over the proper role to adopt. We know that in Pennsylvania >> during the French and Indian War Bull led a merciless raid in vengeance >> for >> the apparent murder of his father and the destruction of two Delaware >> villages. We know that during the Revolution Johnny was one of the >> Delawares who were prominent--though not very numerous--allies of the >> Patriots. So it seems a little unlikely that he was raiding in the Tygart >> Valley in '81, though I suppose he may have shifted his alliance, as >> others >> did in that season. >> >> As for his death, Johnny and his wife were among the slain at Gnadenhutten >> in '82. >> >> I bring this up to show how difficult it can be to bring history and >> tradition into any sort of alignment. >> >> One of the principal sources of the Bulltown story is the Cutright >> tradition, and in his old age it doesn't seem that John Cutright was able >> to >> >> distinguish the events of 1772 (the alleged Bulltown massacre) from the >> events of 1781 (the Leading Creek pursuit), with the result that Jesse >> Hughes had the honor, so to speak, of killing Captain Bull on two >> occasions. >> >> What's to be made of all this? I wish I knew. >> >> As a massacre story Bulltown is almost a miniature of Gnadenhutten. Angry >> settlers kill Indians associated with the Moravian missions, giving the >> justification that clothing found matched the clothing of slain settlers, >> etc. >> >> In later years it became a sort of game to name the participants in these >> infamous acts. >> >> John Cutright is made to confess on his deathbed, as if he were accepting >> salvation at last and admitting that he could not justify the conduct of >> his >> >> life. >> >> In other words, the story of the story makes sense. But this doesn't take >> us back to the facts. >> >> (Now I'll have to go back to the sources and see what I've gotten wrong.) >> >> David Houchin >> Special Collections >> Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Cc: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:55 PM >> Subject: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre >> >> >>> Can someone tell me if the Indians were killed at Bulltown or not? It >>> seems to me that i read somewhere that they actually moved to Ohio. >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.westvirginia.net

I'M SORRY, SIR, BUT YOU UNDER-RATE YOURSELF. Bill McAfee "There is nothing new in the world except the history you do not know." -- H.S. Truman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Houchin Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre I had better say promptly that I'm an amateur historian at best. David H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William McAfee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > Thanks, David, for putting an historian's perspective on this "legend". > > Bill Mc Afee > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of David Houchin > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > > There's some uncertainty about the Bulltown massacre, and I don't know if > it's something we can still resolve. > > Captain Bull the son of Teedyuscung is usually assumed to have been the > "Bull" of Bulltown. I imagine this is right though I wouldn't say there > was > > positive proof. I've heard it said that the son of Teedyuscung lived in > later years on the White River in Indiana. I personally don't have proof > of > > that either, but Delaware specialists would know. > > According to the traditional account of the Bulltown massacre Bull and > the > rest of the people in his village were killed by a settler band that > included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and several others, in 1772. Withers > published the story in 1831 and it's been current ever since. > > Bob Smith of HCPD published a brief study of the subject in the Hackers > Creek Journal years ago, suggesting that in reality the settler band found > an abandoned village and invented the massacre story as a way of > reassuring > frightened families that the danger was past. > > I should point out that such a massacre of peaceful Delawares, had it ever > been discovered, would have guaranteed a season of deadly raiding in > revenge. And no such raiding followed. At the least it would have been > necessary to negotiate an alternative to such vengeance. Again nothing of > the kind is known to have occured. So I'm inclined to agree with Bob > Smith > that the massacre story was a fiction of some sort. > > Now, in 1781 another settler band--call them militia, I suppose--went in > pursuit of a party that raided the Leading Creek settlements in the Tygart > valley. William Lowther led this group. It included John Cutright, Jesse > Hughes and about a dozen others. > > The pursuers caught up with the raiders on the Hughes River and shot and > killed several from ambush. This is a well known story too. > Interestingly, > > the raiders are said traditionally to have been Delawares led by Captain > Bull and Captain Johnny. > > The historical Bull and Johnny were both at some stage Moravian converts. > Both had responsibilities among the Delaware that would have led in > wartime > to a conflict over the proper role to adopt. We know that in Pennsylvania > during the French and Indian War Bull led a merciless raid in vengeance > for > the apparent murder of his father and the destruction of two Delaware > villages. We know that during the Revolution Johnny was one of the > Delawares who were prominent--though not very numerous--allies of the > Patriots. So it seems a little unlikely that he was raiding in the Tygart > Valley in '81, though I suppose he may have shifted his alliance, as > others > did in that season. > > As for his death, Johnny and his wife were among the slain at Gnadenhutten > in '82. > > I bring this up to show how difficult it can be to bring history and > tradition into any sort of alignment. > > One of the principal sources of the Bulltown story is the Cutright > tradition, and in his old age it doesn't seem that John Cutright was able > to > > distinguish the events of 1772 (the alleged Bulltown massacre) from the > events of 1781 (the Leading Creek pursuit), with the result that Jesse > Hughes had the honor, so to speak, of killing Captain Bull on two > occasions. > > What's to be made of all this? I wish I knew. > > As a massacre story Bulltown is almost a miniature of Gnadenhutten. Angry > settlers kill Indians associated with the Moravian missions, giving the > justification that clothing found matched the clothing of slain settlers, > etc. > > In later years it became a sort of game to name the participants in these > infamous acts. > > John Cutright is made to confess on his deathbed, as if he were accepting > salvation at last and admitting that he could not justify the conduct of > his > > life. > > In other words, the story of the story makes sense. But this doesn't take > us back to the facts. > > (Now I'll have to go back to the sources and see what I've gotten wrong.) > > David Houchin > Special Collections > Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:55 PM > Subject: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > > >> Can someone tell me if the Indians were killed at Bulltown or not? It >> seems to me that i read somewhere that they actually moved to Ohio. >> >> Linda >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had better say promptly that I'm an amateur historian at best. David H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William McAfee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > Thanks, David, for putting an historian's perspective on this "legend". > > Bill Mc Afee > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of David Houchin > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > > There's some uncertainty about the Bulltown massacre, and I don't know if > it's something we can still resolve. > > Captain Bull the son of Teedyuscung is usually assumed to have been the > "Bull" of Bulltown. I imagine this is right though I wouldn't say there > was > > positive proof. I've heard it said that the son of Teedyuscung lived in > later years on the White River in Indiana. I personally don't have proof > of > > that either, but Delaware specialists would know. > > According to the traditional account of the Bulltown massacre Bull and > the > rest of the people in his village were killed by a settler band that > included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and several others, in 1772. Withers > published the story in 1831 and it's been current ever since. > > Bob Smith of HCPD published a brief study of the subject in the Hackers > Creek Journal years ago, suggesting that in reality the settler band found > an abandoned village and invented the massacre story as a way of > reassuring > frightened families that the danger was past. > > I should point out that such a massacre of peaceful Delawares, had it ever > been discovered, would have guaranteed a season of deadly raiding in > revenge. And no such raiding followed. At the least it would have been > necessary to negotiate an alternative to such vengeance. Again nothing of > the kind is known to have occured. So I'm inclined to agree with Bob > Smith > that the massacre story was a fiction of some sort. > > Now, in 1781 another settler band--call them militia, I suppose--went in > pursuit of a party that raided the Leading Creek settlements in the Tygart > valley. William Lowther led this group. It included John Cutright, Jesse > Hughes and about a dozen others. > > The pursuers caught up with the raiders on the Hughes River and shot and > killed several from ambush. This is a well known story too. > Interestingly, > > the raiders are said traditionally to have been Delawares led by Captain > Bull and Captain Johnny. > > The historical Bull and Johnny were both at some stage Moravian converts. > Both had responsibilities among the Delaware that would have led in > wartime > to a conflict over the proper role to adopt. We know that in Pennsylvania > during the French and Indian War Bull led a merciless raid in vengeance > for > the apparent murder of his father and the destruction of two Delaware > villages. We know that during the Revolution Johnny was one of the > Delawares who were prominent--though not very numerous--allies of the > Patriots. So it seems a little unlikely that he was raiding in the Tygart > Valley in '81, though I suppose he may have shifted his alliance, as > others > did in that season. > > As for his death, Johnny and his wife were among the slain at Gnadenhutten > in '82. > > I bring this up to show how difficult it can be to bring history and > tradition into any sort of alignment. > > One of the principal sources of the Bulltown story is the Cutright > tradition, and in his old age it doesn't seem that John Cutright was able > to > > distinguish the events of 1772 (the alleged Bulltown massacre) from the > events of 1781 (the Leading Creek pursuit), with the result that Jesse > Hughes had the honor, so to speak, of killing Captain Bull on two > occasions. > > What's to be made of all this? I wish I knew. > > As a massacre story Bulltown is almost a miniature of Gnadenhutten. Angry > settlers kill Indians associated with the Moravian missions, giving the > justification that clothing found matched the clothing of slain settlers, > etc. > > In later years it became a sort of game to name the participants in these > infamous acts. > > John Cutright is made to confess on his deathbed, as if he were accepting > salvation at last and admitting that he could not justify the conduct of > his > > life. > > In other words, the story of the story makes sense. But this doesn't take > us back to the facts. > > (Now I'll have to go back to the sources and see what I've gotten wrong.) > > David Houchin > Special Collections > Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Cc: <Lskwv[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:55 PM > Subject: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > > >> Can someone tell me if the Indians were killed at Bulltown or not? It >> seems to me that i read somewhere that they actually moved to Ohio. >> >> Linda >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

The December 2009 HCGS newsletter arrived at my home here on the Mississippi Gulf Coast on Monday January 25.    I hope everyone found the 2009 Surname List accurate and to their liking. I tried to contact each of you with e-mail at least twice.  I want to thank each of you for your cooperation in compiling this list. If you have additions or correction, keep sending them in.  I hope that each of you find many more surnames to add to your list and that you recruit new members to join our society.  One of the reasons for joining a society is to get help from other members researching the same surnames. The more members we recruit, the more likely that we will find distant cousins who can help us with our own research.   Dave Kuhl 210 Glen Eagles Drive Ocean Springs, MS 39564-9041 e-mail: [email protected]

Diane, The charts are placed on the HCGS for convenience from the Misbach site as listed below. They are free and can be used according to their Site. If you wish to make a donation to them you can but it is not required and they do have larger charts for sale if you want or need them. Misbach logo is printed on each chart giving them credit for the charts. http://www.misbach.org/pdfcharts/ Dick -----Original Message----- From: Diane Zimmerman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [HCGS] Pedigree Charts Diatna, Can we print out charts from genealogy software? iane Zimmerman n 1/26/10, Diana Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks, Dick, for the link for the charts at the society's website. Yes, you may email charts to me. I've already had a few charts come through email attachments and haven't had a problem with them, yet. http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm Diana On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:04 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Just a little reminder the charts on the Web Site are type in charts. > > If you have the newest Adobe PDF you can type the information into the > chart > > > http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm > > Then all you have to do is click on Print on the PDF chart and you will > print all the information you have entered. > > You then can mail the printed chart and if you want to email it and you > have > permission to email it just scan your printed sheet and email the chart to > Diana. Make sure you get Diana permission before you email the chart. > I know she can be overwhelmed with all of the charts. > > Dick > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Perhaps it may be a good idea to ask each submitter (if possible) to include an index for each chart - that would make the final indexing go faster.  This is a very worthwhile project, by the way.  Good idea, Diana!  I'm also pleased to know these will not go online. ________________________________ From: Diana Johnson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 6:28:11 PM Subject: [HCGS] pedigree charts The pedigree charts will NOT be put online.  They will be used for a society publication later on when we receive most of them from members. Would a member consider creating an index for them (later)?  Let me know. We haven't done an updated set of pedigree for some time and someone suggested it to me.  I thought it would be a good idea.  I know that I have new information since I first joined the society. Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diatna, Can we print out charts from genealogy software? Diane Zimmerman On 1/26/10, Diana Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Dick, for the link for the charts at the society's website. > > Yes, you may email charts to me. I've already had a few charts come through > email attachments and haven't had a problem with them, yet. > http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm > Diana > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:04 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Just a little reminder the charts on the Web Site are type in charts. >> >> If you have the newest Adobe PDF you can type the information into the >> chart >> >> >> http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm >> >> Then all you have to do is click on Print on the PDF chart and you will >> print all the information you have entered. >> >> You then can mail the printed chart and if you want to email it and you >> have >> permission to email it just scan your printed sheet and email the chart to >> Diana. Make sure you get Diana permission before you email the chart. >> I know she can be overwhelmed with all of the charts. >> >> Dick >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

The pedigree charts will NOT be put online. They will be used for a society publication later on when we receive most of them from members. Would a member consider creating an index for them (later)? Let me know. We haven't done an updated set of pedigree for some time and someone suggested it to me. I thought it would be a good idea. I know that I have new information since I first joined the society. Diana

Thanks, Dick, for the link for the charts at the society's website. Yes, you may email charts to me. I've already had a few charts come through email attachments and haven't had a problem with them, yet. http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm Diana On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:04 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Just a little reminder the charts on the Web Site are type in charts. > > If you have the newest Adobe PDF you can type the information into the > chart > > > http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm > > Then all you have to do is click on Print on the PDF chart and you will > print all the information you have entered. > > You then can mail the printed chart and if you want to email it and you > have > permission to email it just scan your printed sheet and email the chart to > Diana. Make sure you get Diana permission before you email the chart. > I know she can be overwhelmed with all of the charts. > > Dick > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, David, for putting an historian's perspective on this "legend". Bill Mc Afee -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Houchin Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre There's some uncertainty about the Bulltown massacre, and I don't know if it's something we can still resolve. Captain Bull the son of Teedyuscung is usually assumed to have been the "Bull" of Bulltown. I imagine this is right though I wouldn't say there was positive proof. I've heard it said that the son of Teedyuscung lived in later years on the White River in Indiana. I personally don't have proof of that either, but Delaware specialists would know. According to the traditional account of the Bulltown massacre Bull and the rest of the people in his village were killed by a settler band that included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and several others, in 1772. Withers published the story in 1831 and it's been current ever since. Bob Smith of HCPD published a brief study of the subject in the Hackers Creek Journal years ago, suggesting that in reality the settler band found an abandoned village and invented the massacre story as a way of reassuring frightened families that the danger was past. I should point out that such a massacre of peaceful Delawares, had it ever been discovered, would have guaranteed a season of deadly raiding in revenge. And no such raiding followed. At the least it would have been necessary to negotiate an alternative to such vengeance. Again nothing of the kind is known to have occured. So I'm inclined to agree with Bob Smith that the massacre story was a fiction of some sort. Now, in 1781 another settler band--call them militia, I suppose--went in pursuit of a party that raided the Leading Creek settlements in the Tygart valley. William Lowther led this group. It included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and about a dozen others. The pursuers caught up with the raiders on the Hughes River and shot and killed several from ambush. This is a well known story too. Interestingly, the raiders are said traditionally to have been Delawares led by Captain Bull and Captain Johnny. The historical Bull and Johnny were both at some stage Moravian converts. Both had responsibilities among the Delaware that would have led in wartime to a conflict over the proper role to adopt. We know that in Pennsylvania during the French and Indian War Bull led a merciless raid in vengeance for the apparent murder of his father and the destruction of two Delaware villages. We know that during the Revolution Johnny was one of the Delawares who were prominent--though not very numerous--allies of the Patriots. So it seems a little unlikely that he was raiding in the Tygart Valley in '81, though I suppose he may have shifted his alliance, as others did in that season. As for his death, Johnny and his wife were among the slain at Gnadenhutten in '82. I bring this up to show how difficult it can be to bring history and tradition into any sort of alignment. One of the principal sources of the Bulltown story is the Cutright tradition, and in his old age it doesn't seem that John Cutright was able to distinguish the events of 1772 (the alleged Bulltown massacre) from the events of 1781 (the Leading Creek pursuit), with the result that Jesse Hughes had the honor, so to speak, of killing Captain Bull on two occasions. What's to be made of all this? I wish I knew. As a massacre story Bulltown is almost a miniature of Gnadenhutten. Angry settlers kill Indians associated with the Moravian missions, giving the justification that clothing found matched the clothing of slain settlers, etc. In later years it became a sort of game to name the participants in these infamous acts. John Cutright is made to confess on his deathbed, as if he were accepting salvation at last and admitting that he could not justify the conduct of his life. In other words, the story of the story makes sense. But this doesn't take us back to the facts. (Now I'll have to go back to the sources and see what I've gotten wrong.) David Houchin Special Collections Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > Can someone tell me if the Indians were killed at Bulltown or not? It > seems to me that i read somewhere that they actually moved to Ohio. > > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ruby, Thanks, I will send in what I have ready and they can be used or put in a book for future use or they can be returned to me. While doing my Kelley Line, I noted all the families that I have researched and there are too many to list with my name on the members lists, that is just one line not the others. Eva ________________________________ From: Ruby Casto <[email protected]> To: Harrison County Genealogical Society <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 10:13:18 PM Subject: [HCGS] PEDIGREE CHARTS Eva,   I talked to Diana today and she said we can fill out as many as we want to.  I'm sure it won't matter if it is the same chart or not.   I'm filling one out for Bob because his family is totally different from mine.    There are several members that have the Nay, Martin, Davis, Sturm, Ashcraft, Cutright, Hacker, Smith and Winemiller lines.  They have been traced back many generations, and if we started them all out with ourselves we really wouldn't go back to far.   Hope this has answered your question. Ruby    ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I happen to live in the town with Allen Echart. Good books but sad to say I have not read him all. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > Thank you. I googled Bulltown massacre and found lots of information. > Recently I reread and read three of Allen Eckart's books, The > Frontiersman, The > Conqueror, and Wilderness. They have some of the best information on the > Indians from about 1700 to 1830's that I had seen before. > > Linda > > > In a message dated 1/26/2010 2:46:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > There's some uncertainty about the Bulltown massacre, and I don't know if > it's something we can still resolve. > > Captain Bull the son of Teedyuscung is usually assumed to have been the > "Bull" of Bulltown. I imagine this is right though I wouldn't say there > was > positive proof. I've heard it said that the son of Teedyuscung lived in > later years on the White River in Indiana. I personally don't have proof > of > that either, but Delaware specialists would know. > > According to the traditional account of the Bulltown massacre Bull and > the > rest of the people in his village were killed by a settler band that > included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and several others, in 1772. > Withers > > published the story in 1831 and it's been current ever since. > > Bob Smith of HCPD published a brief study of the subject in the Hackers > Creek Journal years ago, suggesting that in reality the settler band > found > an abandoned village and invented the massacre story as a way of > reassuring > frightened families that the danger was past. > > I should point out that such a massacre of peaceful Delawares, had it > ever > been discovered, would have guaranteed a season of deadly raiding in > revenge. And no such raiding followed. At the least it would have been > necessary to negotiate an alternative to such vengeance. Again nothing of > the kind is known to have occured. So I'm inclined to agree with Bob > Smith > that the massacre story was a fiction of some sort. > > Now, in 1781 another settler band--call them militia, I suppose--went in > pursuit of a party that raided the Leading Creek settlements in the > Tygart > valley. William Lowther led this group. It included John Cutright, > Jesse > > Hughes and about a dozen others. > > The pursuers caught up with the raiders on the Hughes River and shot and > killed several from ambush. This is a well known story too. > Interestingly, > the raiders are said traditionally to have been Delawares led by Captain > Bull and Captain Johnny. > > The historical Bull and Johnny were both at some stage Moravian converts. > Both had responsibilities among the Delaware that would have led in > wartime > to a conflict over the proper role to adopt. We know that in > Pennsylvania > during the French and Indian War Bull led a merciless raid in vengeance > for > the apparent murder of his father and the destruction of two Delaware > villages. We know that during the Revolution Johnny was one of the > Delawares who were prominent--though not very numerous--allies of the > Patriots. So it seems a little unlikely that he was raiding in the > Tygart > Valley in '81, though I suppose he may have shifted his alliance, as > others > did in that season. > > As for his death, Johnny and his wife were among the slain at > Gnadenhutten > in '82. > > I bring this up to show how difficult it can be to bring history and > tradition into any sort of alignment. > > One of the principal sources of the Bulltown story is the Cutright > tradition, and in his old age it doesn't seem that John Cutright was able > to > distinguish the events of 1772 (the alleged Bulltown massacre) from the > events of 1781 (the Leading Creek pursuit), with the result that Jesse > Hughes had the honor, so to speak, of killing Captain Bull on two > occasions. > > What's to be made of all this? I wish I knew. > > As a massacre story Bulltown is almost a miniature of Gnadenhutten. > Angry > settlers kill Indians associated with the Moravian missions, giving the > justification that clothing found matched the clothing of slain settlers, > etc. > > In later years it became a sort of game to name the participants in these > infamous acts. > > John Cutright is made to confess on his deathbed, as if he were accepting > salvation at last and admitting that he could not justify the conduct of > his > life. > > In other words, the story of the story makes sense. But this doesn't > take > us back to the facts. > > (Now I'll have to go back to the sources and see what I've gotten wrong.) > > David Houchin > Special Collections > Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:55 PM > Subject: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > > >> Can someone tell me if the Indians were killed at Bulltown or not? It >> seems to me that i read somewhere that they actually moved to Ohio. >> >> Linda >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the > body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4808 (20100126) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4808 (20100126) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: < ----- Original Message ----- From: Norma To: Nancy Richardson Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Fw: ss-100113-haiti-14.ss_full.jpg Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > Thank you. I googled Bulltown massacre and found lots of information. > Recently I reread and read three of Allen Eckart's books, The > Frontiersman, The > Conqueror, and Wilderness. They have some of the best information on the > Indians from about 1700 to 1830's that I had seen before. > > Linda > > > In a message dated 1/26/2010 2:46:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > There's some uncertainty about the Bulltown massacre, and I don't know if > it's something we can still resolve. > > Captain Bull the son of Teedyuscung is usually assumed to have been the > "Bull" of Bulltown. I imagine this is right though I wouldn't say there > was > positive proof. I've heard it said that the son of Teedyuscung lived in > later years on the White River in Indiana. I personally don't have proof > of > that either, but Delaware specialists would know. > > According to the traditional account of the Bulltown massacre Bull and > the > rest of the people in his village were killed by a settler band that > included John Cutright, Jesse Hughes and several others, in 1772. > Withers > > published the story in 1831 and it's been current ever since. > > Bob Smith of HCPD published a brief study of the subject in the Hackers > Creek Journal years ago, suggesting that in reality the settler band > found > an abandoned village and invented the massacre story as a way of > reassuring > frightened families that the danger was past. > > I should point out that such a massacre of peaceful Delawares, had it > ever > been discovered, would have guaranteed a season of deadly raiding in > revenge. And no such raiding followed. At the least it would have been > necessary to negotiate an alternative to such vengeance. Again nothing of > the kind is known to have occured. So I'm inclined to agree with Bob > Smith > that the massacre story was a fiction of some sort. > > Now, in 1781 another settler band--call them militia, I suppose--went in > pursuit of a party that raided the Leading Creek settlements in the > Tygart > valley. William Lowther led this group. It included John Cutright, > Jesse > > Hughes and about a dozen others. > > The pursuers caught up with the raiders on the Hughes River and shot and > killed several from ambush. This is a well known story too. > Interestingly, > the raiders are said traditionally to have been Delawares led by Captain > Bull and Captain Johnny. > > The historical Bull and Johnny were both at some stage Moravian converts. > Both had responsibilities among the Delaware that would have led in > wartime > to a conflict over the proper role to adopt. We know that in > Pennsylvania > during the French and Indian War Bull led a merciless raid in vengeance > for > the apparent murder of his father and the destruction of two Delaware > villages. We know that during the Revolution Johnny was one of the > Delawares who were prominent--though not very numerous--allies of the > Patriots. So it seems a little unlikely that he was raiding in the > Tygart > Valley in '81, though I suppose he may have shifted his alliance, as > others > did in that season. > > As for his death, Johnny and his wife were among the slain at > Gnadenhutten > in '82. > > I bring this up to show how difficult it can be to bring history and > tradition into any sort of alignment. > > One of the principal sources of the Bulltown story is the Cutright > tradition, and in his old age it doesn't seem that John Cutright was able > to > distinguish the events of 1772 (the alleged Bulltown massacre) from the > events of 1781 (the Leading Creek pursuit), with the result that Jesse > Hughes had the honor, so to speak, of killing Captain Bull on two > occasions. > > What's to be made of all this? I wish I knew. > > As a massacre story Bulltown is almost a miniature of Gnadenhutten. > Angry > settlers kill Indians associated with the Moravian missions, giving the > justification that clothing found matched the clothing of slain settlers, > etc. > > In later years it became a sort of game to name the participants in these > infamous acts. > > John Cutright is made to confess on his deathbed, as if he were accepting > salvation at last and admitting that he could not justify the conduct of > his > life. > > In other words, the story of the story makes sense. But this doesn't > take > us back to the facts. > > (Now I'll have to go back to the sources and see what I've gotten wrong.) > > David Houchin > Special Collections > Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:55 PM > Subject: [HCGS] question about Bulltown Indian massacre > > >> Can someone tell me if the Indians were killed at Bulltown or not? It >> seems to me that i read somewhere that they actually moved to Ohio. >> >> Linda >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the > body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4808 (20100126) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4808 (20100126) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Just a little reminder the charts on the Web Site are type in charts. If you have the newest Adobe PDF you can type the information into the chart http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm Then all you have to do is click on Print on the PDF chart and you will print all the information you have entered. You then can mail the printed chart and if you want to email it and you have permission to email it just scan your printed sheet and email the chart to Diana. Make sure you get Diana permission before you email the chart. I know she can be overwhelmed with all of the charts. Dick

I had asked Dick Wilt, webmaster, about pedigree charts and if you need extra ones they are on the web page. Here is what he says: Ruby' Ruby, There are downloadable charts on the web site. http://www.wvhcgs.com/PedigreeCharts.htm This is on the "Archives" page just below the links to the stories in the block containing the list of newsletters. The charts have been there ever since I put the web site up. The first one shows the pedigree chart similar to the one in the News Letter Dick