Hi Carol, Thanks for the sources. This is helpful. I'm showing an email, one of several, that I've received over the years (25+) regarding the parents of John Hayden from Jess Scott. It probably summarizes it the best. I find FREQUENTLY that data I get from the Mormans is incorrect and should be used as a starting point only. Hopefully the DNA project now going on will help us. Most of the great researchers from the New England Historical Genealogical Society state his parents and origin are unknown. Jim Welcome to StithValley.com Jess B. Scott You may send me Email at jscott@stithvalley.com http://www.scotthillfarm.com/ancestry/taylor/hayden.htm#JOHN John Hayden of Dorchester and Braintree, Massachusetts Bay Colony by William J. Dowell "Again and again we read that Gideon Haydon and Margaret Davy of Cadhay House, Ottery St Mary, Devonshire, were the parents of John Hayden, the 1632 immigrant to Dorchester, Massachusetts. "However, tracing the origins of an early New England immigrant ancestor can be an extremely challenging exercise, not least because, in the past, genealogists have often reached firm conclusions based upon very inadequate evidence, such as a coincidence of names and dates. Frequently, New England settlers have been identified as members of gentry families in England, who were generally well documented. However, relatively few immigrants came from a gentry background; they were mostly tradesmen or yeomen. Thus the Gideon Haydon genealogy has gained wide acceptance among John Hayden's descendants in America, but without any proof beyond a coincidence of name and date. "On the other hand, there are two strong arguments against this genealogy. First, the Gideon Haydon family of Cadhay were adherents of the Church of England, and their sons, Gideon Haydon (1609-1680) and Nicholas Haydon (1620-1676), were ardent Royalists during the English Civil War, whereas our John Hayden was clearly a Puritan. Second, coinciding with John Hayden's arrival in Massachusetts is the presence there of William Hayden and James Hayden. There is the possibility that either or both of these men were brothers of John. In that case, however, it is unlikely that they were children of Gideon Haydon, because no record exists of a child named William born to Gideon and Margaret Haydon. Gideon and Margaret had a child named James, but this son died in infancy.1 Of course it is equally possible that these three were cousins, or even strangers, which would not necessarily upset the identification of John Hayden as the son of Gideon and Margaret Haydon of Cadhay. "...The Puritans' Great Migration began in 1630, and, until its close in 1640, brought 25,000 English Puritans to Massachusetts Bay Colony. A great fleet of ships containing one thousand settlers sailed in 1630. On March 20, 1630, they sailed from Plymouth, England, including the Mary and John, three hundred tons, Capt. Squib, master. William Hayden may have been a passenger on the Mary and John. It was the first ship of the 1630 fleet to arrive at Massachusetts Bay. The company was put ashore at Nantasket (Hull) on May 30, 1630. The settlers in this fleet founded the Massachusetts Bay towns of Dorchester, Boston, Charleston, Medford, Watertown, Roxbury, and Lynn. It is not known whether John Hayden was related to William Hayden, or whether John Hayden sailed with this fleet. There is no record of John Hayden sailing on the Mary and John.10 "There is a third Hayden, James, who settled in Charlestown, where he was admitted to the church in 1635, and admitted as a freeman March 9, 1636/7. He was a ferryman. His wife was Elizabeth, and their children were James (born December 13, 1637), John (born October 26, 1639), Ruhamah (born September 18, 1641), Elizabeth, Joshua, Mercy, and Thomas. An inventory was taken of his estate December 12, 1667, and filed by his wife, Elizabeth. There is no evidence that James Hayden was related to either William Hayden or John Hayden of Dorchester. Everything we know about James suggests that he was an ordinary Puritan tradesman, and not the scion of the gentry.13 "John Hayden was shown as a proprietor of Dorchester, granted a sixteen-acre Great Lot on January 16, 1632/3, admitted as a freeman of Dorchester on May 14, 1634, admitted to the church at Dorchester, and married to Susanna Pullen, also around 1634. He was before the General Court "for entertaining a servant unlicensed," and his fine was remitted on June 6, 1639, because the offense "being done ignorantly."14 John received a grant of land in Braintree (now Randolph) in 1640, and he and Susanna moved from Dorchester to Braintree about 1640. The General Court assisted them financially, from 1647 to 1655, in the care of Joseph, a child "bereaved of his senses." They had seven children: John (born 1635, Dorchester, died May 1718), Samuel (died 1676), Joseph (died 1678), Jonathan (born May 1640, died 1718), Hannah (born April 1642, died July 1669), Ebenezer (born September 1645, died February 1718), and Nehemiah (born February 1648, died December-January 1717/18). Nehemiah Hayden is our ancestor. "The final proof on the question whether John Hayden, of Dorchester and Braintree, Massachusetts, is the same man as John Haydon, son of Gideon and Margaret Haydon of Cadhay, is to be found in the parish registers for Woodbury parish, Devon. According to the Woodbury parish registers, John Haydon, son of Gideon and Margaret Haydon of Cadhay, did not go to Massachusetts, but was married and buried in England. "As I have shown, our ancestor, John Hayden, was in Dorchester, Massachusetts at least as early as January 1633, and married Susanna Pullen in Massachusetts around 1634. Returning to John Haydon of Ottery St. Mary, Devon, we find a marriage for John Haydon to Eleanor Waringe in the nearby church at Woodbury, Devon, on November 26, 1634.15 This is almost certainly the son of Gideon Haydon, as Ebford in Woodbury parish had been the ancestral home of the Haydons since 1397.16 At least four generations of Haydons are buried at Woodbury, as far back as the burial records go.17 Of John Haydon's siblings, two were baptized at Ottery St. Mary and eight at Woodbury, suggesting that Ebford in Woodbury was the family's principal residence.18 Haydons continued to hold the property at Ebford until 1700.19 And the only John Haydon or Hayden baptized in Woodbury or Ottery St. Mary during the years 1595-1620 was John, son of Gideon, baptized at Ottery St. Mary on November 2, 1606.20 Children of John Haydon and Eleanor Waringe Haydon were baptized at Woodbury in 1638, 1642, and 1644.21 On July 12, 1658, John Haydon was buried at Woodbury.22 In 1676, Nicholas Haydon, younger brother of John Haydon, was also buried at Woodbury. He is expressly identified in the parish register as "son of Gideon Haydon of Cadhay."23 This shows the continued use of Woodbury by family members of that generation. It appears certain, therefore, that John Haydon, son of Gideon and Margaret Haydon of Cadhay, did not go to Massachusetts, but rather lies buried in Woodbury churchyard, Devon. 1 James Haydon, bap. May 17, 1619, Ottery St. Mary, bur. July 18, 1619, Ottery St. Mary. Ottery St. Mary Parish Register. For Gideon and Nicholas Haydon as Royalists, see John A. Whitham, Ottery St. Mary (Chichester, Sussex: Phillimore & Co. Ltd, 1984), 48-49, 88-89. 2 John A. Whitham, Ottery St. Mary, 86, 112. Turbary and furze was the right to dig peat and cut gorse for fuel on another man's land. 3 Quoted by John A. Whitham, Ottery St. Mary, 87. 4 J. L. Vivian, ed., Visitation of Devon, 1620. 5 Puritan meetings had been outlawed under the Conventicle Act of 1664. John A. Whitham, Ottery St. Mary, 48-49. 6 Ottery St. Mary Parish Register. 7 J. L. Vivian, ed., Visitation of Devon, 1620. 8 Ottery St. Mary Parish Register. 9 Cadhay is opened by the owners to the public each Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday in July and August, and on Sunday and Monday of the spring and summer bank holidays. For information contact Lady William-Powlett, Cadhay, Ottery St. Mary, Tel. (0404) 812432. 10 Maude Pinney Kuhns, The "Mary and John" (Rutland, VT: Charles E. Tuttle Co., 1971), 5, places William Hayden on the Mary and John. Charles Edward Banks, The Winthrop Fleet of 1630 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1968), 103, does not list any Haydens as passengers on the Mary and John. Banks does not identify any Haydens among the colonists of the Winthrop fleet. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins, Immigrants to New England 1620-1633 (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995), identifies only one Hayden (John) as arriving prior to 1634. 11 Maude Pinney Kuhns, The "Mary and John," 41. 12 Maude Pinney Kuhns, The "Mary and John," 41, 42, 53, 185-187. 13 Charles Henry Pope, The Pioneers of Massachusetts (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1969), 223. 14 Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins, vol. 2, 892. 15 Woodbury Parish Register. William C. Hayden of Bandera, Texas, first developed this line of research. Email from William C. Hayden to the author, March 15, 1997. 16 Frederic Colby, Visitation of Devon, 1620 (1872). Original manuscript prepared by a royal agent who interviewed the gentry to establish their pedigrees and present family members. J. L. Vivian published another edition of 1620 Visitation in the 1880s. He annotated births, marriages, and burials from parish registers, which presumably he examined in the original. 17 J. L. Vivian, ed., Visitation of Devon, 1620. 18 Ibid. 19 Ursula W. Brighouse, Woodbury – A View from the Beacon. 20 Ottery St. Mary Parish Register. J. L. Vivian, ed., Visitation of Devon, 1620. 21 Woodbury Parish Register. 22 Ibid. 23 Ibid. J. L. Vivian, ed., Visitation of Devon, 1620. "The Haydon Family Parish documents on the Cadhay Manor Devon Line, from Tom Keys, tomandgail1@comcast.net . These are 2 pages from the documents pages 458 and 459. From Tom: "All of the Haydon/Haydens have been trying for YEARS to prove if John and William Hayden of the Mary and John Ship of 1630 did or did not belong to the Cadhay Manor Family of Gideon Hayden. I surely wanted them too also, but NO THEY DID NOT. William is NOT even listed on the family records and the John who is listed , married, stayed in England and raised a family there." Tom Keys has a lot of English info on Heydon/Haydon/Hayden families." CEVaughan412@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/13/2007 1:38:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hayden-request@rootsweb.com writes: Be careful with this site as it shows incorrectly that John, spouse of Susanna Pullen, has known parents. This fact has been shown in numerous cases as incorrect. Were you able to find the sources for the data shown? Jim Mormons say he was born 2 November 1606 in Ottery St. Mary, England. The son of Gideon Hayden and Margaret Davies. There is some contradictory evidence. They had a son John who has not been traced after 1627. There were about a dozen other " John Haydens " of that age christened in Devonshire and Somerset, England. Several references identify John Hayden, of Dorchester Massachusetts. A freeman in Braintree, May 14, 1634. His will was dated 31 October 1678, probated 26 July 1684. His widow Susannah ( that was living 1695 ) was executrix. John was connected with the first ironworks in Massachusetts. Other references, one of which cites " tradition in all branches of the Hayden family " say that John came to Dorchester in 1630 with his younger brother William, on the ship Mary and John which brought Puritans from Plymouth. Said to be from the borders of Somerset and Devon ( which would include Ottery St. Mary ). References show Willam on that ship but do not show John. The English records show a John Hayden, but not a William, as a son of Gideon Hayden of Ottery St. Mary. That family in England remained pillars of the Established Church for several later generations. Parish records indicate ( but not quite conclusively ) that this John Hayden died in Devonshire, at Woodbury near Ottery St. Mary, in 1658, ruling him out as our John. Many Mormon genealogies claim him as our ancestor, erroneously in my opinion. [Brøderbund WFT Vol. 11, Ed. 1, Tree #1750, Date of Import: Mar 12, 1999] 8 Generations to Mary Katherine Hayden, b.1923. First generation of Hayden Family in America. John Hayden came from Devonshire, England to Boston, MA in 1630 with Father Warham's congregation on the ship "William and John", chartered. John had two Brothers with him on this Voyage, William and James. James settled at Charlestown, MA. William settled at Windsor, CN. John settled at Braintree, MA. They were the sons of Gideon Hayden of England. They were in the shipping bussiness. Will dtd 31 Oct 1678 - proved 26 July 1682. NOTICE: The above notes are not my notes and don't reflect my opinions. Carol E. Vaughan March 12, 1999 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Arrived in Massachusetts in 1630. Sailed in the "Mary and John" with brother William who settled in Connecticut. First settled in Dorchester where he received several small parcels of land and became a freeman in 1634. Moved to Braintree by 1636. Was fined for entertaining a servant, remitte because he do so knowingly, in June 1639. "In answer to the petition of John Hayden of Braintree craving some release, it is ordered (in regard to the great affliction of God that lies upon the petitioner in regard to his child, as also his late loss of a cow, being half his estate) that he shall be yearly allowed...some five pounds toward the charge of keeping the child {probably Joseph}, the town {to pay} the rest." Renewed 1653. Renewed to Goodwife Hayden 1664 & 1665. In 1656 in was ordered that there be a road through Dossit's land in Braintree so Goodman Hayden can bring his corn out. Miscellaneous, “1651, At this time, we find the first case of insanity in the town. ‘In answer to the petition of John Heydon of Braintree, for relief in respect of his distracted childe, as also some loss lately befalne him, this Court doth order, that the said John Heydon shall have from the County, towards the charges of keeping the childe, five pounds per annum, to be payed out their own Town levy, and the Town to bear the rest of the charge till the Court se cause to withdraw their benevolence.’” John settled in Dorchester, Mass. And sometimes spelled his name Haiden, as in his will. He was made Freeman May 14, 1634. He moved to Braintree in 1640. The second entry in the records is the birth of his son Jonathan. A part of the town where he settled is called Randolph, and is very near Quincy, Mass. The record of his will is Suffolk probate 6,483 and mentions his wife Susan, sons Samuel, Joseph, John, Nehemiah and Jonathan. The children of his second son Samuel and daughter Hannah. Appoints his wife Susan with Samuel Thompson and Joseph Penniman executor.” >From “History of our Ancestors” by Rutherford - 929.2 R932401h “John Hayden and a younger brother, William Hayden, came to New England aboard the John and Mary in the company of three hundred immigrants under the direction of the Reverend John Warham and the Reverend Samuel Maverick. The company landed at Dorchester, Mass. In 1630. >From “Colonial Families of the US of A Volume 5, 1937 p. 275: John Hayden was listed as a proprietor in 1632, and a freeman May 14, 1634. He was acquitted June 8, 1639 for entertaining (hiring) an unlicensed servant, but as he did it ignorantly, the fine which previously had been levied against him was remitted to him.” >From “The Pioneers of Massachusetts”, 1900, p. 223: John Hayden moved to Braintree, now Randolph, Mass., settling near the Iron Works and the Iron Work Bridge. He was connected with first Iron Works in Mass. He probably moved to the town of Braintree in 1640, as the birth of his son Jonathan Hayden, March 19, 1640 was recorded on the second page of the town records of Braintree. The dates of his three children born after Jonathan were also recorded in the Braintree records. >From the “Records of the Town of Braintree 1640-1793 p. 631-632: John Hayden ’s will, dated October 31, 1678 was probated July 26, 1682. As he specified, his estate was not to be settled until after the death of his son, Joseph, final probate was delayed until April 4, 1695. The Massachusetts General Court Deboard Susanna Hayden, his wife, deceased, February 9, 1684, and appointed John Hayden, Jr. and Jonathan Hayded the executors of the estate. John Hayden deeded most of his land to his sons prior to his death. “The Heydons in England and America” by Rev. William B. Hayden Chapter V. The Devon Line. Page 41: “I assume that John, William and James Haydon, three brothers, the immigrant ancestors of the American lines, and who appeared in Boston, Dorchester and Charlestown in 1630, were sons of Gideon Haydon of Cadhay, No. 15 in the Devon line, for the following reasons: (1) The family tradition is that we are descended from the Devonshire branch. (2) The immigrants, when they landed, had the Devonshire spelling of the name. (3) They evidently came over in close connection with the Massachusetts Bay Company, whose headquarters were at Exeter, and whose officers and members were near neighbors of the Haydons. (4) The Haydons were few in number. All accounts agree that the Lymston branch, for a time distinct, probably in a line of younger sons, became at length re absorbed in the Ebford-Cadhay branch; and all the places mentioned in connection with them are in a little radius of ten or twelve miles. Hence the question arises, Where else could they have come from? (5) We know that the said Gideon had several younger sons grown to manhood in 1630, but who thereafter suddenly disappeared from the scene, there being, so far as I have been able to learn, no record of their marriages, settlement, decease or descendants in England. (6) I find the State Papers that the family were engaged in the shipping business at that time…” >From “The Visitations of the County of Devon, comprising The Heralds’ Visitations of 1531, 1564 & 1620” by Lieutenant-Colonel J.L. Vivian. Pages 458-459: Haydon of Cadhay Arms: -Arg., three bars gemels Az., on a chief Gu. A fesse dansettee Or. Crest:- A lion Arg. Seizing on a bull courant Sa. “John de Haydon to Robert Haydon to Henry Haydon to William Haydon to Robert Haydon to John Haydon to Henry Haydon to John Haydon to Richard Hayden to Richard Hayden to Thomas Haydon to Thomas Hayden to Robert Haydon to Gideon Haydon to John Hayden 2 so, bap. 2 Nov. 1606 at Ottery St. Mary, (1) named in the will of his great uncle Peter Haydon, living 1627. (1)Ottery St. Mary Parish Register. The Hayden Family - Author unknown “…As stated above John, James and William are supposed to have been brothers - but so far as we have any reliable information, they might have been second cousings or even no relation at all and the statement that they came on the “Mary & John” is merely a supposition also, based upon the fact that they soon separated, it is evident that they considered Dorchester neither conducive to their health nor to their happiness: - for John recorded as a “freeman in Braintree, Mass, in 1640; James likewise in Charlestown, Mass. In 1637; and William turns up in the land of ‘Nutmegs’ as a freeman at Windsor, Connecticut in 1640. Carol ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message