George, If you look at the Hayden Project results, you will see most Haydens belong to haplogroup R1b (with the exception of 1 J1 Irish Hayden). The Hadens are all haplogroup I. You are haplogroup I1a. There is also a Haydon Project whose members are all haplogroup J2. What this means is there is essentially no chance for a match with any of the existing Hayden/ Haden/ Hyden/ Haydon Project members. There is always the possibility of a name change. For example, we have a Keys in the Hayden Project who we have confirmed are Haydens. On you results page, you have restricted your matches to project members resulting in no matches as expected. I opened up to include matches in the entire FamilyTreeDNA database. Now there are 90 exact matches at 12 markers and two with a genetic distance of 2 at 25 markers. Many of the exact matches have only 12 marker results. The difficulty with 12 markers is it can disprove a connection but rarely confirm one. Nevertheless, you might look at the 12 marker matches and see if any of the surnames connects to your family. Just a thought but a possible avenue of research. Steve Hayden -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of partners@houseofhayden.com Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:33 AM To: hayden@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project Steve, Every time you update the list I check it and also every once in a while I take a look at it, still ungrouped. Still in limbo. Tony, Having served over 20 years in the Marines I know just what you mean with the name spelling, I have met people from all over the world with a lot if different ways of spelling their name. I don't really care who or where my family came from, the best, the middle or the worst, I just wanted to find out where and who. >From the time I was about 16 years old I was told that I was Irish, Scottish and British. Then when I started doing the family tree thing I found out about the DNA project. I thought by doing it I could make sure where my family came from, wrong. At this time I still do not connect to anyone. SO, I still know just as much as I did before I started all this family tree thing. I did see the Hayden's all the way back to the William de Cardon that you are talking about. George J. Hayden -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A. H. Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:07 AM To: hayden@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project Steve and all Haydens, DNA is the only way to go forward. I feel that there have been a lot of spelling changes as people moved away from the family home land [or area] English Parish records show this, because people could not read and verify their name. A new Priest from another area often had problems understanding accents. Remember before the railways, few people travelled far, and even in a small country as England the dialect and some word meanings could change every 50 miles. Early arrivals in America also faced spelling changes; especially names sounding like Hayden from countries like Germany, Holland as well as Ireland with the O'Heiden versions. There are a great many of these Hyden, Hydon. Another problem is many people are trying to connect to the best and earliest recorded Heydon of Norfolk. These are very certainly Normans who came over in 1066, and married into many other Norman families. Normans were not French, they had only arrived in Normandy from the Denmark area some 200 years before 1066. Heydon is not a Normandy surname, as surnames then only existed in a few of the most senior families. Some of you will remember my theories that a William de Cardon had a son between 1090 and 1100 when will lived in Heydon, Essex and was junior to Geoff de Mandeville; a son often took a "surname" from place he lived, so called himself "de Heydon". The Norfolk "Heydon place" in 1086 Domesday Book had another name, so it seems to me that property in Norfolk was obtained as a marriage settlement when Katherine de Heydon married into the wealthy de Warren family in 1128. These are assumptions based on available historical records, as the Norfolk line records does not start until late 1100's. Further comments welcome. Regards Tony Burgess