Hi Hayden Listers! Hope everyone is having a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend! Is the list still active? I haven't seen any emails or activity at all since mid June. In the past I have experienced "issues" with AT&T, my isp, and lists - Kept getting bumped off the Sheep-List until I couldn't even resubscribe so had to change to my Yahoo email account. What is the status of the DNA project. I haven't had time this summer to keep up on it since I got my results back. Thanks much! Bob Hayden Hayden Farm (A family tradition since 1790) Hollis, NH -------------- Original message from "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com>: -------------- > The Hayden DNA Project currently has 22 members tested. The Hayden pedigrees > are as follows. > > > > Four descendants of Francis Heydon of MD; 3 well documented, one shown where > connects to Francis' line. > > > > Six descendants of John Hayden of MA; 3 well documented, 2 have secondary > sources at some links and 1 who had no clue he was related. This line is > fortunate to have the unique pair of values in the first marker panel. > > > > Two descendants of William, both well documented. > > > > Four Hadens with two lines that may or may not share a common ancestor since > immigration to America. > > > > Five Irish Haydens with one awaiting results. None of the four appear to > share a common ancestor. > > > > One Hayden of unknown origin who connects to no other tested lines. > > > > Since mutation of the Y-chromosome happens at random generation changes, one > can only calculate the probability of a shared common male ancestor. > Disproving a connection is generally easier than establishing one. For > example, since there was only a 0.02% of John and William sharing a common > father, I believe we can conclude they were not brothers. > > > > So, Carol is correct. Y-chromosome DNA testing analysis is an exercise in > statistics. Increasing the number of markers tested and increasing the > number of people tested both increase the sample size which, in turn, > decreases the width of the confidence interval. > > > > However, researchers looking for the father of John have a great advantage > in the unique combination of two markers on the Y-chromosome. In this case, > the sample size of the American cousins is large enough. What is now needed > is English cousins to get tested. > > > > You can see the DNA project results at > http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html . > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of CEVaughan412@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:08 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA - John Hayden > > > > I have a question about the Hayden DNA testing. How many Hayden's have > been > > tested in this project? While I believe that DNA testing is the only > answer > > to this John - Gideon thing, we need numbers to prove it for sure. How > > many people aren't who they think they are due to extra-marital births, > > unrecorded adoptions etc over the years? I just think that there is not > enough > > Hayden descendants in the DNA database and we certainly need those across > the > > Pond to join. > > Carol > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message
Bob, It's not your ISP this time! The list is still active; just in a sabbatical right now. We need Tony Burgess to stir things up again! I have just updated the Hayden DNA Project page at http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html with two new project members' results. One descends from an Irish Hayden and doesn't connect to any other Irish Haydens. We now have six Irish Haydens in the Project and none appear to be related. The other new member of unknown descent was found to descend from Francis of MD. In fact, we are able to assert with good confidence which Francis line in America this member connects to. Steve Hayden -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bnhayden@att.net Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:13 AM To: hayden@rootsweb.com; hayden@rootsweb.com Subject: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project Hi Hayden Listers! Hope everyone is having a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend! Is the list still active? I haven't seen any emails or activity at all since mid June. In the past I have experienced "issues" with AT&T, my isp, and lists - Kept getting bumped off the Sheep-List until I couldn't even resubscribe so had to change to my Yahoo email account. What is the status of the DNA project. I haven't had time this summer to keep up on it since I got my results back. Thanks much! Bob Hayden Hayden Farm (A family tradition since 1790) Hollis, NH -------------- Original message from "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com>: -------------- > The Hayden DNA Project currently has 22 members tested. The Hayden pedigrees > are as follows. > > > > Four descendants of Francis Heydon of MD; 3 well documented, one shown where > connects to Francis' line. > > > > Six descendants of John Hayden of MA; 3 well documented, 2 have secondary > sources at some links and 1 who had no clue he was related. This line is > fortunate to have the unique pair of values in the first marker panel. > > > > Two descendants of William, both well documented. > > > > Four Hadens with two lines that may or may not share a common ancestor since > immigration to America. > > > > Five Irish Haydens with one awaiting results. None of the four appear to > share a common ancestor. > > > > One Hayden of unknown origin who connects to no other tested lines. > > > > Since mutation of the Y-chromosome happens at random generation changes, one > can only calculate the probability of a shared common male ancestor. > Disproving a connection is generally easier than establishing one. For > example, since there was only a 0.02% of John and William sharing a common > father, I believe we can conclude they were not brothers. > > > > So, Carol is correct. Y-chromosome DNA testing analysis is an exercise in > statistics. Increasing the number of markers tested and increasing the > number of people tested both increase the sample size which, in turn, > decreases the width of the confidence interval. > > > > However, researchers looking for the father of John have a great advantage > in the unique combination of two markers on the Y-chromosome. In this case, > the sample size of the American cousins is large enough. What is now needed > is English cousins to get tested. > > > > You can see the DNA project results at > http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html . > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of CEVaughan412@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:08 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA - John Hayden > > > > I have a question about the Hayden DNA testing. How many Hayden's have > been > > tested in this project? While I believe that DNA testing is the only > answer > > to this John - Gideon thing, we need numbers to prove it for sure. How > > many people aren't who they think they are due to extra-marital births, > > unrecorded adoptions etc over the years? I just think that there is not > enough > > Hayden descendants in the DNA database and we certainly need those across > the > > Pond to join. > > Carol > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Steve and all Haydens, DNA is the only way to go forward. I feel that there have been a lot of spelling changes as people moved away from the family home land [or area] English Parish records show this, because people could not read and verify their name. A new Priest from another area often had problems understanding accents. Remember before the railways, few people travelled far, and even in a small country as England the dialect and some word meanings could change every 50 miles. Early arrivals in America also faced spelling changes; especially names sounding like Hayden from countries like Germany, Holland as well as Ireland with the O'Heiden versions. There are a great many of these Hyden, Hydon. Another problem is many people are trying to connect to the best and earliest recorded Heydon of Norfolk. These are very certainly Normans who came over in 1066, and married into many other Norman families. Normans were not French, they had only arrived in Normandy from the Denmark area some 200 years before 1066. Heydon is not a Normandy surname, as surnames then only existed in a few of the most senior families. Some of you will remember my theories that a William de Cardon had a son between 1090 and 1100 when will lived in Heydon, Essex and was junior to Geoff de Mandeville; a son often took a "surname" from place he lived, so called himself "de Heydon". The Norfolk "Heydon place" in 1086 Domesday Book had another name, so it seems to me that property in Norfolk was obtained as a marriage settlement when Katherine de Heydon married into the wealthy de Warren family in 1128. These are assumptions based on available historical records, as the Norfolk line records does not start until late 1100's. Further comments welcome. Regards Tony Burgess ----- Original Message ----- From: "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com> To: <hayden@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > Bob, > > > > It's not your ISP this time! The list is still active; just in a > sabbatical > right now. We need Tony Burgess to stir things up again! > > > > I have just updated the Hayden DNA Project page at > http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html with two new project members' > results. One descends from an Irish Hayden and doesn't connect to any > other > Irish Haydens. We now have six Irish Haydens in the Project and none > appear > to be related. The other new member of unknown descent was found to > descend > from Francis of MD. In fact, we are able to assert with good confidence > which Francis line in America this member connects to. > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of bnhayden@att.net > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:13 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com; hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > > > > Hi Hayden Listers! > > > > Hope everyone is having a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend! > > > > Is the list still active? I haven't seen any emails or activity at all > since mid June. In the past I have experienced "issues" with AT&T, my isp, > and lists - Kept getting bumped off the Sheep-List until I couldn't even > resubscribe so had to change to my Yahoo email account. > > > > What is the status of the DNA project. I haven't had time this summer to > keep up on it since I got my results back. > > > > Thanks much! > > > > Bob Hayden > > Hayden Farm (A family tradition since 1790) > > Hollis, NH > > > > -------------- Original message from "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com>: > -------------- > > > > > >> The Hayden DNA Project currently has 22 members tested. The Hayden > pedigrees > >> are as follows. > >> > >> > >> > >> Four descendants of Francis Heydon of MD; 3 well documented, one shown > where > >> connects to Francis' line. > >> > >> > >> > >> Six descendants of John Hayden of MA; 3 well documented, 2 have secondary > >> sources at some links and 1 who had no clue he was related. This line is > >> fortunate to have the unique pair of values in the first marker panel. > >> > >> > >> > >> Two descendants of William, both well documented. > >> > >> > >> > >> Four Hadens with two lines that may or may not share a common ancestor > since > >> immigration to America. > >> > >> > >> > >> Five Irish Haydens with one awaiting results. None of the four appear to > >> share a common ancestor. > >> > >> > >> > >> One Hayden of unknown origin who connects to no other tested lines. > >> > >> > >> > >> Since mutation of the Y-chromosome happens at random generation changes, > one > >> can only calculate the probability of a shared common male ancestor. > >> Disproving a connection is generally easier than establishing one. For > >> example, since there was only a 0.02% of John and William sharing a >> common > > >> father, I believe we can conclude they were not brothers. > >> > >> > >> > >> So, Carol is correct. Y-chromosome DNA testing analysis is an exercise in > >> statistics. Increasing the number of markers tested and increasing the > >> number of people tested both increase the sample size which, in turn, > >> decreases the width of the confidence interval. > >> > >> > >> > >> However, researchers looking for the father of John have a great >> advantage > > >> in the unique combination of two markers on the Y-chromosome. In this > case, > >> the sample size of the American cousins is large enough. What is now > needed > >> is English cousins to get tested. > >> > >> > >> > >> You can see the DNA project results at > >> http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html . > >> > >> > >> > >> Steve Hayden > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > >> Behalf Of CEVaughan412@aol.com > >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:08 AM > >> To: hayden@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA - John Hayden > >> > >> > >> > >> I have a question about the Hayden DNA testing. How many Hayden's have > >> been > >> > >> tested in this project? While I believe that DNA testing is the only > >> answer > >> > >> to this John - Gideon thing, we need numbers to prove it for sure. How > >> > >> many people aren't who they think they are due to extra-marital births, > >> > >> unrecorded adoptions etc over the years? I just think that there is not > >> enough > >> > >> Hayden descendants in the DNA database and we certainly need those across > >> the > >> > >> Pond to join. > >> > >> Carol > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** See what's free at > >> http://www.aol.com. > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > in > >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Steve, Every time you update the list I check it and also every once in a while I take a look at it, still ungrouped. Still in limbo. Tony, Having served over 20 years in the Marines I know just what you mean with the name spelling, I have met people from all over the world with a lot if different ways of spelling their name. I don't really care who or where my family came from, the best, the middle or the worst, I just wanted to find out where and who. >From the time I was about 16 years old I was told that I was Irish, Scottish and British. Then when I started doing the family tree thing I found out about the DNA project. I thought by doing it I could make sure where my family came from, wrong. At this time I still do not connect to anyone. SO, I still know just as much as I did before I started all this family tree thing. I did see the Hayden's all the way back to the William de Cardon that you are talking about. George J. Hayden -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A. H. Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:07 AM To: hayden@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project Steve and all Haydens, DNA is the only way to go forward. I feel that there have been a lot of spelling changes as people moved away from the family home land [or area] English Parish records show this, because people could not read and verify their name. A new Priest from another area often had problems understanding accents. Remember before the railways, few people travelled far, and even in a small country as England the dialect and some word meanings could change every 50 miles. Early arrivals in America also faced spelling changes; especially names sounding like Hayden from countries like Germany, Holland as well as Ireland with the O'Heiden versions. There are a great many of these Hyden, Hydon. Another problem is many people are trying to connect to the best and earliest recorded Heydon of Norfolk. These are very certainly Normans who came over in 1066, and married into many other Norman families. Normans were not French, they had only arrived in Normandy from the Denmark area some 200 years before 1066. Heydon is not a Normandy surname, as surnames then only existed in a few of the most senior families. Some of you will remember my theories that a William de Cardon had a son between 1090 and 1100 when will lived in Heydon, Essex and was junior to Geoff de Mandeville; a son often took a "surname" from place he lived, so called himself "de Heydon". The Norfolk "Heydon place" in 1086 Domesday Book had another name, so it seems to me that property in Norfolk was obtained as a marriage settlement when Katherine de Heydon married into the wealthy de Warren family in 1128. These are assumptions based on available historical records, as the Norfolk line records does not start until late 1100's. Further comments welcome. Regards Tony Burgess ----- Original Message ----- From: "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com> To: <hayden@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > Bob, > > > > It's not your ISP this time! The list is still active; just in a > sabbatical > right now. We need Tony Burgess to stir things up again! > > > > I have just updated the Hayden DNA Project page at > http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html with two new project members' > results. One descends from an Irish Hayden and doesn't connect to any > other > Irish Haydens. We now have six Irish Haydens in the Project and none > appear > to be related. The other new member of unknown descent was found to > descend > from Francis of MD. In fact, we are able to assert with good confidence > which Francis line in America this member connects to. > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of bnhayden@att.net > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:13 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com; hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > > > > Hi Hayden Listers! > > > > Hope everyone is having a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend! > > > > Is the list still active? I haven't seen any emails or activity at all > since mid June. In the past I have experienced "issues" with AT&T, my isp, > and lists - Kept getting bumped off the Sheep-List until I couldn't even > resubscribe so had to change to my Yahoo email account. > > > > What is the status of the DNA project. I haven't had time this summer to > keep up on it since I got my results back. > > > > Thanks much! > > > > Bob Hayden > > Hayden Farm (A family tradition since 1790) > > Hollis, NH > > > > -------------- Original message from "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com>: > -------------- > > > > > >> The Hayden DNA Project currently has 22 members tested. The Hayden > pedigrees > >> are as follows. > >> > >> > >> > >> Four descendants of Francis Heydon of MD; 3 well documented, one shown > where > >> connects to Francis' line. > >> > >> > >> > >> Six descendants of John Hayden of MA; 3 well documented, 2 have secondary > >> sources at some links and 1 who had no clue he was related. This line is > >> fortunate to have the unique pair of values in the first marker panel. > >> > >> > >> > >> Two descendants of William, both well documented. > >> > >> > >> > >> Four Hadens with two lines that may or may not share a common ancestor > since > >> immigration to America. > >> > >> > >> > >> Five Irish Haydens with one awaiting results. None of the four appear to > >> share a common ancestor. > >> > >> > >> > >> One Hayden of unknown origin who connects to no other tested lines. > >> > >> > >> > >> Since mutation of the Y-chromosome happens at random generation changes, > one > >> can only calculate the probability of a shared common male ancestor. > >> Disproving a connection is generally easier than establishing one. For > >> example, since there was only a 0.02% of John and William sharing a >> common > > >> father, I believe we can conclude they were not brothers. > >> > >> > >> > >> So, Carol is correct. Y-chromosome DNA testing analysis is an exercise in > >> statistics. Increasing the number of markers tested and increasing the > >> number of people tested both increase the sample size which, in turn, > >> decreases the width of the confidence interval. > >> > >> > >> > >> However, researchers looking for the father of John have a great >> advantage > > >> in the unique combination of two markers on the Y-chromosome. In this > case, > >> the sample size of the American cousins is large enough. What is now > needed > >> is English cousins to get tested. > >> > >> > >> > >> You can see the DNA project results at > >> http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html . > >> > >> > >> > >> Steve Hayden > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > >> Behalf Of CEVaughan412@aol.com > >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:08 AM > >> To: hayden@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA - John Hayden > >> > >> > >> > >> I have a question about the Hayden DNA testing. How many Hayden's have > >> been > >> > >> tested in this project? While I believe that DNA testing is the only > >> answer > >> > >> to this John - Gideon thing, we need numbers to prove it for sure. How > >> > >> many people aren't who they think they are due to extra-marital births, > >> > >> unrecorded adoptions etc over the years? I just think that there is not > >> enough > >> > >> Hayden descendants in the DNA database and we certainly need those across > >> the > >> > >> Pond to join. > >> > >> Carol > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** See what's free at > >> http://www.aol.com. > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > in > >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message