Hi Lorna, When was he born? I found 6 George HAYDEN's in the 1920 census that were listed as born in England. Need an age to narrow it down. Jason Haydon lorna cowan <lornapcowan@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I too have not been able to make a connection to my Haydens. They came from Wiltshire, Salisbury area in the 1700s, moved to Bath in Somerset, and then to High Wycombe in Bucks and I have been able to trace just one line, mine, but cannot find George Evelyn Hayden who went to America about 1910. He does not appear in any census. Lorna nee Hayden, living in England. Best wishes, Lorna --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

Steve and all, It appears to me that this DNA project needs to be widened to include Hayden sounding names still living in Germany and Holland etc; this gives a chance that some Haydens in the U.S. ancestors may have come from Europe and not England or Ireland. The R1 haplogroups and to a lesser extent I, are very common in Western Europe, these groups go back such a long way before surnames, that haplogroups can only be used as a guide to different versions of Hayden spelling at the very best. Keep going, the more people tested the clearer the picture will become. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com> To: <hayden@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > George, > > > > If you look at the Hayden Project results, you will see most Haydens > belong > to haplogroup R1b (with the exception of 1 J1 Irish Hayden). The Hadens > are > all haplogroup I. You are haplogroup I1a. There is also a Haydon Project > whose members are all haplogroup J2. What this means is there is > essentially > no chance for a match with any of the existing Hayden/ Haden/ Hyden/ > Haydon > Project members. > > > > There is always the possibility of a name change. For example, we have a > Keys in the Hayden Project who we have confirmed are Haydens. On you > results > page, you have restricted your matches to project members resulting in no > matches as expected. I opened up to include matches in the entire > FamilyTreeDNA database. Now there are 90 exact matches at 12 markers and > two > with a genetic distance of 2 at 25 markers. Many of the exact matches have > only 12 marker results. The difficulty with 12 markers is it can disprove > a > connection but rarely confirm one. Nevertheless, you might look at the 12 > marker matches and see if any of the surnames connects to your family. > > > > Just a thought but a possible avenue of research. > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of partners@houseofhayden.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:33 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > > > > Steve, > > > > Every time you update the list I check it and also every once in a while I > > take a look at it, still ungrouped. Still in limbo. > > > > Tony, > > > > Having served over 20 years in the Marines I know just what you mean with > > the name spelling, I have met people from all over the world with a lot if > > different ways of spelling their name. I don't really care who or where my > > family came from, the best, the middle or the worst, I just wanted to find > > out where and who. > > > >>From the time I was about 16 years old I was told that I was Irish, > Scottish > > and British. Then when I started doing the family tree thing I found out > > about the DNA project. I thought by doing it I could make sure where my > > family came from, wrong. At this time I still do not connect to anyone. > SO, > > I still know just as much as I did before I started all this family tree > > thing. > > > > I did see the Hayden's all the way back to the William de Cardon that you > > are talking about. > > > > George J. Hayden > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of A. H. Burgess > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:07 AM > > To: hayden@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > > > > Steve and all Haydens, > > DNA is the only way to go forward. > > > > I feel that there have been a lot of spelling changes as people moved away > > from the family home land [or area] English Parish records show this, > > because people could not read and verify their name. A new Priest from > > another area often had problems understanding accents. > > Remember before the railways, few people travelled far, and even in a > small > > country as England the dialect and some word meanings could change every > 50 > > miles. > > > > Early arrivals in America also faced spelling changes; especially names > > sounding like Hayden from countries like Germany, Holland as well as > Ireland > > > > with the O'Heiden versions. > > There are a great many of these Hyden, Hydon. > > > > Another problem is many people are trying to connect to the best and > > earliest recorded Heydon of Norfolk. These are very certainly Normans who > > came over in 1066, and married into many other Norman families. Normans > > were not French, they had only arrived in Normandy from the Denmark area > > some 200 years before 1066. > > Heydon is not a Normandy surname, as surnames then only existed in a few > of > > the most senior families. Some of you will remember my theories that a > > William de Cardon had a son between 1090 and 1100 when will lived in > Heydon, > > > > Essex and was junior to Geoff de Mandeville; a son often took a "surname" > > from place he lived, so called himself "de Heydon". The Norfolk "Heydon > > place" in 1086 Domesday Book had another name, so it seems to me that > > property in Norfolk was obtained as a marriage settlement when Katherine > de > > Heydon married into the wealthy de Warren family in 1128. > > These are assumptions based on available historical records, as the > Norfolk > > line records does not start until late 1100's. > > Further comments welcome. > > > > Regards > > Tony Burgess > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Jeff. Done. -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Hecht Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:31 AM To: hayden@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project At 7:44 AM -0400 9/6/07, steve hayden wrote: > >The Hayden Project already includes the following variants: Hadden, Haddon, >Haden, Haiden, Haydon, Heydon & Hyden. That means if you search on any of >these variants in the FamilyTreeDNA database, the results will include the >Hayden Project. > >Can anyone advise other variants of the name to add. > I have documented the transformation of HEATON into HAYDEN in my line, so I'd advise including HEATON as well. -- Jeff Hecht, science & technology writer jeff@jeffhecht.com http://www.jeffhecht.com 525 Auburn St., Auburndale, MA 02466 USA tel. 617-965-3834 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 7:44 AM -0400 9/6/07, steve hayden wrote: > >The Hayden Project already includes the following variants: Hadden, Haddon, >Haden, Haiden, Haydon, Heydon & Hyden. That means if you search on any of >these variants in the FamilyTreeDNA database, the results will include the >Hayden Project. > >Can anyone advise other variants of the name to add. > I have documented the transformation of HEATON into HAYDEN in my line, so I'd advise including HEATON as well. -- Jeff Hecht, science & technology writer jeff@jeffhecht.com http://www.jeffhecht.com 525 Auburn St., Auburndale, MA 02466 USA tel. 617-965-3834

Good idea, Tony. The Hayden Project already includes the following variants: Hadden, Haddon, Haden, Haiden, Haydon, Heydon & Hyden. That means if you search on any of these variants in the FamilyTreeDNA database, the results will include the Hayden Project. Can anyone advise other variants of the name to add. Regards, Steve Hayden -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A. H. Burgess Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:45 PM To: hayden@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project Steve and all, It appears to me that this DNA project needs to be widened to include Hayden sounding names still living in Germany and Holland etc; this gives a chance that some Haydens in the U.S. ancestors may have come from Europe and not England or Ireland. The R1 haplogroups and to a lesser extent I, are very common in Western Europe, these groups go back such a long way before surnames, that haplogroups can only be used as a guide to different versions of Hayden spelling at the very best. Keep going, the more people tested the clearer the picture will become. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com> To: <hayden@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > George, > > > > If you look at the Hayden Project results, you will see most Haydens > belong > to haplogroup R1b (with the exception of 1 J1 Irish Hayden). The Hadens > are > all haplogroup I. You are haplogroup I1a. There is also a Haydon Project > whose members are all haplogroup J2. What this means is there is > essentially > no chance for a match with any of the existing Hayden/ Haden/ Hyden/ > Haydon > Project members. > > > > There is always the possibility of a name change. For example, we have a > Keys in the Hayden Project who we have confirmed are Haydens. On you > results > page, you have restricted your matches to project members resulting in no > matches as expected. I opened up to include matches in the entire > FamilyTreeDNA database. Now there are 90 exact matches at 12 markers and > two > with a genetic distance of 2 at 25 markers. Many of the exact matches have > only 12 marker results. The difficulty with 12 markers is it can disprove > a > connection but rarely confirm one. Nevertheless, you might look at the 12 > marker matches and see if any of the surnames connects to your family. > > > > Just a thought but a possible avenue of research. > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of partners@houseofhayden.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:33 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > > > > Steve, > > > > Every time you update the list I check it and also every once in a while I > > take a look at it, still ungrouped. Still in limbo. > > > > Tony, > > > > Having served over 20 years in the Marines I know just what you mean with > > the name spelling, I have met people from all over the world with a lot if > > different ways of spelling their name. I don't really care who or where my > > family came from, the best, the middle or the worst, I just wanted to find > > out where and who. > > > >>From the time I was about 16 years old I was told that I was Irish, > Scottish > > and British. Then when I started doing the family tree thing I found out > > about the DNA project. I thought by doing it I could make sure where my > > family came from, wrong. At this time I still do not connect to anyone. > SO, > > I still know just as much as I did before I started all this family tree > > thing. > > > > I did see the Hayden's all the way back to the William de Cardon that you > > are talking about. > > > > George J. Hayden > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of A. H. Burgess > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:07 AM > > To: hayden@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > > > > Steve and all Haydens, > > DNA is the only way to go forward. > > > > I feel that there have been a lot of spelling changes as people moved away > > from the family home land [or area] English Parish records show this, > > because people could not read and verify their name. A new Priest from > > another area often had problems understanding accents. > > Remember before the railways, few people travelled far, and even in a > small > > country as England the dialect and some word meanings could change every > 50 > > miles. > > > > Early arrivals in America also faced spelling changes; especially names > > sounding like Hayden from countries like Germany, Holland as well as > Ireland > > > > with the O'Heiden versions. > > There are a great many of these Hyden, Hydon. > > > > Another problem is many people are trying to connect to the best and > > earliest recorded Heydon of Norfolk. These are very certainly Normans who > > came over in 1066, and married into many other Norman families. Normans > > were not French, they had only arrived in Normandy from the Denmark area > > some 200 years before 1066. > > Heydon is not a Normandy surname, as surnames then only existed in a few > of > > the most senior families. Some of you will remember my theories that a > > William de Cardon had a son between 1090 and 1100 when will lived in > Heydon, > > > > Essex and was junior to Geoff de Mandeville; a son often took a "surname" > > from place he lived, so called himself "de Heydon". The Norfolk "Heydon > > place" in 1086 Domesday Book had another name, so it seems to me that > > property in Norfolk was obtained as a marriage settlement when Katherine > de > > Heydon married into the wealthy de Warren family in 1128. > > These are assumptions based on available historical records, as the > Norfolk > > line records does not start until late 1100's. > > Further comments welcome. > > > > Regards > > Tony Burgess > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Funny thing is that, as soon as I sent the email, I started getting list traffic messages again. First I have seen since 6/14. I'll check out the update you posted. Didn't get a chance this weekend - too much outdoor work trying to finish up some haying and a lot of "bushhogging" some overgrown fields for a cousin. Great weather up here to be out, but it is sure getting super dry. Bob -------------- Original message from "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com>: -------------- > Bob, > > > > It's not your ISP this time! The list is still active; just in a sabbatical > right now. We need Tony Burgess to stir things up again! > > > > I have just updated the Hayden DNA Project page at > http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html with two new project members' > results. One descends from an Irish Hayden and doesn't connect to any other > Irish Haydens. We now have six Irish Haydens in the Project and none appear > to be related. The other new member of unknown descent was found to descend > from Francis of MD. In fact, we are able to assert with good confidence > which Francis line in America this member connects to. > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of bnhayden@att.net > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:13 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com; hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > > > > Hi Hayden Listers! > > > > Hope everyone is having a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend! > > > > Is the list still active? I haven't seen any emails or activity at all > since mid June. In the past I have experienced "issues" with AT&T, my isp, > and lists - Kept getting bumped off the Sheep-List until I couldn't even > resubscribe so had to change to my Yahoo email account. > > > > What is the status of the DNA project. I haven't had time this summer to > keep up on it since I got my results back. > > > > Thanks much! > > > > Bob Hayden > > Hayden Farm (A family tradition since 1790) > > Hollis, NH > > > > -------------- Original message from "shayden" : > -------------- > > > > > > > The Hayden DNA Project currently has 22 members tested. The Hayden > pedigrees > > > are as follows. > > > > > > > > > > > > Four descendants of Francis Heydon of MD; 3 well documented, one shown > where > > > connects to Francis' line. > > > > > > > > > > > > Six descendants of John Hayden of MA; 3 well documented, 2 have secondary > > > sources at some links and 1 who had no clue he was related. This line is > > > fortunate to have the unique pair of values in the first marker panel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Two descendants of William, both well documented. > > > > > > > > > > > > Four Hadens with two lines that may or may not share a common ancestor > since > > > immigration to America. > > > > > > > > > > > > Five Irish Haydens with one awaiting results. None of the four appear to > > > share a common ancestor. > > > > > > > > > > > > One Hayden of unknown origin who connects to no other tested lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since mutation of the Y-chromosome happens at random generation changes, > one > > > can only calculate the probability of a shared common male ancestor. > > > Disproving a connection is generally easier than establishing one. For > > > example, since there was only a 0.02% of John and William sharing a common > > > > father, I believe we can conclude they were not brothers. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Carol is correct. Y-chromosome DNA testing analysis is an exercise in > > > statistics. Increasing the number of markers tested and increasing the > > > number of people tested both increase the sample size which, in turn, > > > decreases the width of the confidence interval. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, researchers looking for the father of John have a great advantage > > > > in the unique combination of two markers on the Y-chromosome. In this > case, > > > the sample size of the American cousins is large enough. What is now > needed > > > is English cousins to get tested. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can see the DNA project results at > > > http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html . > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > > Behalf Of CEVaughan412@aol.com > > > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:08 AM > > > To: hayden@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA - John Hayden > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question about the Hayden DNA testing. How many Hayden's have > > > been > > > > > > tested in this project? While I believe that DNA testing is the only > > > answer > > > > > > to this John - Gideon thing, we need numbers to prove it for sure. How > > > > > > many people aren't who they think they are due to extra-marital births, > > > > > > unrecorded adoptions etc over the years? I just think that there is not > > > enough > > > > > > Hayden descendants in the DNA database and we certainly need those across > > > the > > > > > > Pond to join. > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > > http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Steve and all Haydens, DNA is the only way to go forward. I feel that there have been a lot of spelling changes as people moved away from the family home land [or area] English Parish records show this, because people could not read and verify their name. A new Priest from another area often had problems understanding accents. Remember before the railways, few people travelled far, and even in a small country as England the dialect and some word meanings could change every 50 miles. Early arrivals in America also faced spelling changes; especially names sounding like Hayden from countries like Germany, Holland as well as Ireland with the O'Heiden versions. There are a great many of these Hyden, Hydon. Another problem is many people are trying to connect to the best and earliest recorded Heydon of Norfolk. These are very certainly Normans who came over in 1066, and married into many other Norman families. Normans were not French, they had only arrived in Normandy from the Denmark area some 200 years before 1066. Heydon is not a Normandy surname, as surnames then only existed in a few of the most senior families. Some of you will remember my theories that a William de Cardon had a son between 1090 and 1100 when will lived in Heydon, Essex and was junior to Geoff de Mandeville; a son often took a "surname" from place he lived, so called himself "de Heydon". The Norfolk "Heydon place" in 1086 Domesday Book had another name, so it seems to me that property in Norfolk was obtained as a marriage settlement when Katherine de Heydon married into the wealthy de Warren family in 1128. These are assumptions based on available historical records, as the Norfolk line records does not start until late 1100's. Further comments welcome. Regards Tony Burgess ----- Original Message ----- From: "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com> To: <hayden@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > Bob, > > > > It's not your ISP this time! The list is still active; just in a > sabbatical > right now. We need Tony Burgess to stir things up again! > > > > I have just updated the Hayden DNA Project page at > http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html with two new project members' > results. One descends from an Irish Hayden and doesn't connect to any > other > Irish Haydens. We now have six Irish Haydens in the Project and none > appear > to be related. The other new member of unknown descent was found to > descend > from Francis of MD. In fact, we are able to assert with good confidence > which Francis line in America this member connects to. > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of bnhayden@att.net > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:13 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com; hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > > > > Hi Hayden Listers! > > > > Hope everyone is having a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend! > > > > Is the list still active? I haven't seen any emails or activity at all > since mid June. In the past I have experienced "issues" with AT&T, my isp, > and lists - Kept getting bumped off the Sheep-List until I couldn't even > resubscribe so had to change to my Yahoo email account. > > > > What is the status of the DNA project. I haven't had time this summer to > keep up on it since I got my results back. > > > > Thanks much! > > > > Bob Hayden > > Hayden Farm (A family tradition since 1790) > > Hollis, NH > > > > -------------- Original message from "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com>: > -------------- > > > > > >> The Hayden DNA Project currently has 22 members tested. The Hayden > pedigrees > >> are as follows. > >> > >> > >> > >> Four descendants of Francis Heydon of MD; 3 well documented, one shown > where > >> connects to Francis' line. > >> > >> > >> > >> Six descendants of John Hayden of MA; 3 well documented, 2 have secondary > >> sources at some links and 1 who had no clue he was related. This line is > >> fortunate to have the unique pair of values in the first marker panel. > >> > >> > >> > >> Two descendants of William, both well documented. > >> > >> > >> > >> Four Hadens with two lines that may or may not share a common ancestor > since > >> immigration to America. > >> > >> > >> > >> Five Irish Haydens with one awaiting results. None of the four appear to > >> share a common ancestor. > >> > >> > >> > >> One Hayden of unknown origin who connects to no other tested lines. > >> > >> > >> > >> Since mutation of the Y-chromosome happens at random generation changes, > one > >> can only calculate the probability of a shared common male ancestor. > >> Disproving a connection is generally easier than establishing one. For > >> example, since there was only a 0.02% of John and William sharing a >> common > > >> father, I believe we can conclude they were not brothers. > >> > >> > >> > >> So, Carol is correct. Y-chromosome DNA testing analysis is an exercise in > >> statistics. Increasing the number of markers tested and increasing the > >> number of people tested both increase the sample size which, in turn, > >> decreases the width of the confidence interval. > >> > >> > >> > >> However, researchers looking for the father of John have a great >> advantage > > >> in the unique combination of two markers on the Y-chromosome. In this > case, > >> the sample size of the American cousins is large enough. What is now > needed > >> is English cousins to get tested. > >> > >> > >> > >> You can see the DNA project results at > >> http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html . > >> > >> > >> > >> Steve Hayden > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > >> Behalf Of CEVaughan412@aol.com > >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:08 AM > >> To: hayden@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA - John Hayden > >> > >> > >> > >> I have a question about the Hayden DNA testing. How many Hayden's have > >> been > >> > >> tested in this project? While I believe that DNA testing is the only > >> answer > >> > >> to this John - Gideon thing, we need numbers to prove it for sure. How > >> > >> many people aren't who they think they are due to extra-marital births, > >> > >> unrecorded adoptions etc over the years? I just think that there is not > >> enough > >> > >> Hayden descendants in the DNA database and we certainly need those across > >> the > >> > >> Pond to join. > >> > >> Carol > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** See what's free at > >> http://www.aol.com. > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > in > >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

George, If you look at the Hayden Project results, you will see most Haydens belong to haplogroup R1b (with the exception of 1 J1 Irish Hayden). The Hadens are all haplogroup I. You are haplogroup I1a. There is also a Haydon Project whose members are all haplogroup J2. What this means is there is essentially no chance for a match with any of the existing Hayden/ Haden/ Hyden/ Haydon Project members. There is always the possibility of a name change. For example, we have a Keys in the Hayden Project who we have confirmed are Haydens. On you results page, you have restricted your matches to project members resulting in no matches as expected. I opened up to include matches in the entire FamilyTreeDNA database. Now there are 90 exact matches at 12 markers and two with a genetic distance of 2 at 25 markers. Many of the exact matches have only 12 marker results. The difficulty with 12 markers is it can disprove a connection but rarely confirm one. Nevertheless, you might look at the 12 marker matches and see if any of the surnames connects to your family. Just a thought but a possible avenue of research. Steve Hayden -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of partners@houseofhayden.com Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:33 AM To: hayden@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project Steve, Every time you update the list I check it and also every once in a while I take a look at it, still ungrouped. Still in limbo. Tony, Having served over 20 years in the Marines I know just what you mean with the name spelling, I have met people from all over the world with a lot if different ways of spelling their name. I don't really care who or where my family came from, the best, the middle or the worst, I just wanted to find out where and who. >From the time I was about 16 years old I was told that I was Irish, Scottish and British. Then when I started doing the family tree thing I found out about the DNA project. I thought by doing it I could make sure where my family came from, wrong. At this time I still do not connect to anyone. SO, I still know just as much as I did before I started all this family tree thing. I did see the Hayden's all the way back to the William de Cardon that you are talking about. George J. Hayden -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A. H. Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:07 AM To: hayden@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project Steve and all Haydens, DNA is the only way to go forward. I feel that there have been a lot of spelling changes as people moved away from the family home land [or area] English Parish records show this, because people could not read and verify their name. A new Priest from another area often had problems understanding accents. Remember before the railways, few people travelled far, and even in a small country as England the dialect and some word meanings could change every 50 miles. Early arrivals in America also faced spelling changes; especially names sounding like Hayden from countries like Germany, Holland as well as Ireland with the O'Heiden versions. There are a great many of these Hyden, Hydon. Another problem is many people are trying to connect to the best and earliest recorded Heydon of Norfolk. These are very certainly Normans who came over in 1066, and married into many other Norman families. Normans were not French, they had only arrived in Normandy from the Denmark area some 200 years before 1066. Heydon is not a Normandy surname, as surnames then only existed in a few of the most senior families. Some of you will remember my theories that a William de Cardon had a son between 1090 and 1100 when will lived in Heydon, Essex and was junior to Geoff de Mandeville; a son often took a "surname" from place he lived, so called himself "de Heydon". The Norfolk "Heydon place" in 1086 Domesday Book had another name, so it seems to me that property in Norfolk was obtained as a marriage settlement when Katherine de Heydon married into the wealthy de Warren family in 1128. These are assumptions based on available historical records, as the Norfolk line records does not start until late 1100's. Further comments welcome. Regards Tony Burgess

Steve, Every time you update the list I check it and also every once in a while I take a look at it, still ungrouped. Still in limbo. Tony, Having served over 20 years in the Marines I know just what you mean with the name spelling, I have met people from all over the world with a lot if different ways of spelling their name. I don't really care who or where my family came from, the best, the middle or the worst, I just wanted to find out where and who. >From the time I was about 16 years old I was told that I was Irish, Scottish and British. Then when I started doing the family tree thing I found out about the DNA project. I thought by doing it I could make sure where my family came from, wrong. At this time I still do not connect to anyone. SO, I still know just as much as I did before I started all this family tree thing. I did see the Hayden's all the way back to the William de Cardon that you are talking about. George J. Hayden -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A. H. Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:07 AM To: hayden@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project Steve and all Haydens, DNA is the only way to go forward. I feel that there have been a lot of spelling changes as people moved away from the family home land [or area] English Parish records show this, because people could not read and verify their name. A new Priest from another area often had problems understanding accents. Remember before the railways, few people travelled far, and even in a small country as England the dialect and some word meanings could change every 50 miles. Early arrivals in America also faced spelling changes; especially names sounding like Hayden from countries like Germany, Holland as well as Ireland with the O'Heiden versions. There are a great many of these Hyden, Hydon. Another problem is many people are trying to connect to the best and earliest recorded Heydon of Norfolk. These are very certainly Normans who came over in 1066, and married into many other Norman families. Normans were not French, they had only arrived in Normandy from the Denmark area some 200 years before 1066. Heydon is not a Normandy surname, as surnames then only existed in a few of the most senior families. Some of you will remember my theories that a William de Cardon had a son between 1090 and 1100 when will lived in Heydon, Essex and was junior to Geoff de Mandeville; a son often took a "surname" from place he lived, so called himself "de Heydon". The Norfolk "Heydon place" in 1086 Domesday Book had another name, so it seems to me that property in Norfolk was obtained as a marriage settlement when Katherine de Heydon married into the wealthy de Warren family in 1128. These are assumptions based on available historical records, as the Norfolk line records does not start until late 1100's. Further comments welcome. Regards Tony Burgess ----- Original Message ----- From: "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com> To: <hayden@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > Bob, > > > > It's not your ISP this time! The list is still active; just in a > sabbatical > right now. We need Tony Burgess to stir things up again! > > > > I have just updated the Hayden DNA Project page at > http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html with two new project members' > results. One descends from an Irish Hayden and doesn't connect to any > other > Irish Haydens. We now have six Irish Haydens in the Project and none > appear > to be related. The other new member of unknown descent was found to > descend > from Francis of MD. In fact, we are able to assert with good confidence > which Francis line in America this member connects to. > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of bnhayden@att.net > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:13 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com; hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project > > > > Hi Hayden Listers! > > > > Hope everyone is having a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend! > > > > Is the list still active? I haven't seen any emails or activity at all > since mid June. In the past I have experienced "issues" with AT&T, my isp, > and lists - Kept getting bumped off the Sheep-List until I couldn't even > resubscribe so had to change to my Yahoo email account. > > > > What is the status of the DNA project. I haven't had time this summer to > keep up on it since I got my results back. > > > > Thanks much! > > > > Bob Hayden > > Hayden Farm (A family tradition since 1790) > > Hollis, NH > > > > -------------- Original message from "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com>: > -------------- > > > > > >> The Hayden DNA Project currently has 22 members tested. The Hayden > pedigrees > >> are as follows. > >> > >> > >> > >> Four descendants of Francis Heydon of MD; 3 well documented, one shown > where > >> connects to Francis' line. > >> > >> > >> > >> Six descendants of John Hayden of MA; 3 well documented, 2 have secondary > >> sources at some links and 1 who had no clue he was related. This line is > >> fortunate to have the unique pair of values in the first marker panel. > >> > >> > >> > >> Two descendants of William, both well documented. > >> > >> > >> > >> Four Hadens with two lines that may or may not share a common ancestor > since > >> immigration to America. > >> > >> > >> > >> Five Irish Haydens with one awaiting results. None of the four appear to > >> share a common ancestor. > >> > >> > >> > >> One Hayden of unknown origin who connects to no other tested lines. > >> > >> > >> > >> Since mutation of the Y-chromosome happens at random generation changes, > one > >> can only calculate the probability of a shared common male ancestor. > >> Disproving a connection is generally easier than establishing one. For > >> example, since there was only a 0.02% of John and William sharing a >> common > > >> father, I believe we can conclude they were not brothers. > >> > >> > >> > >> So, Carol is correct. Y-chromosome DNA testing analysis is an exercise in > >> statistics. Increasing the number of markers tested and increasing the > >> number of people tested both increase the sample size which, in turn, > >> decreases the width of the confidence interval. > >> > >> > >> > >> However, researchers looking for the father of John have a great >> advantage > > >> in the unique combination of two markers on the Y-chromosome. In this > case, > >> the sample size of the American cousins is large enough. What is now > needed > >> is English cousins to get tested. > >> > >> > >> > >> You can see the DNA project results at > >> http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html . > >> > >> > >> > >> Steve Hayden > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > >> Behalf Of CEVaughan412@aol.com > >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:08 AM > >> To: hayden@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA - John Hayden > >> > >> > >> > >> I have a question about the Hayden DNA testing. How many Hayden's have > >> been > >> > >> tested in this project? While I believe that DNA testing is the only > >> answer > >> > >> to this John - Gideon thing, we need numbers to prove it for sure. How > >> > >> many people aren't who they think they are due to extra-marital births, > >> > >> unrecorded adoptions etc over the years? I just think that there is not > >> enough > >> > >> Hayden descendants in the DNA database and we certainly need those across > >> the > >> > >> Pond to join. > >> > >> Carol > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** See what's free at > >> http://www.aol.com. > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > in > >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob, It's not your ISP this time! The list is still active; just in a sabbatical right now. We need Tony Burgess to stir things up again! I have just updated the Hayden DNA Project page at http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html with two new project members' results. One descends from an Irish Hayden and doesn't connect to any other Irish Haydens. We now have six Irish Haydens in the Project and none appear to be related. The other new member of unknown descent was found to descend from Francis of MD. In fact, we are able to assert with good confidence which Francis line in America this member connects to. Steve Hayden -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bnhayden@att.net Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:13 AM To: hayden@rootsweb.com; hayden@rootsweb.com Subject: [HAYDEN] Hayden List? and DNA project Hi Hayden Listers! Hope everyone is having a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend! Is the list still active? I haven't seen any emails or activity at all since mid June. In the past I have experienced "issues" with AT&T, my isp, and lists - Kept getting bumped off the Sheep-List until I couldn't even resubscribe so had to change to my Yahoo email account. What is the status of the DNA project. I haven't had time this summer to keep up on it since I got my results back. Thanks much! Bob Hayden Hayden Farm (A family tradition since 1790) Hollis, NH -------------- Original message from "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com>: -------------- > The Hayden DNA Project currently has 22 members tested. The Hayden pedigrees > are as follows. > > > > Four descendants of Francis Heydon of MD; 3 well documented, one shown where > connects to Francis' line. > > > > Six descendants of John Hayden of MA; 3 well documented, 2 have secondary > sources at some links and 1 who had no clue he was related. This line is > fortunate to have the unique pair of values in the first marker panel. > > > > Two descendants of William, both well documented. > > > > Four Hadens with two lines that may or may not share a common ancestor since > immigration to America. > > > > Five Irish Haydens with one awaiting results. None of the four appear to > share a common ancestor. > > > > One Hayden of unknown origin who connects to no other tested lines. > > > > Since mutation of the Y-chromosome happens at random generation changes, one > can only calculate the probability of a shared common male ancestor. > Disproving a connection is generally easier than establishing one. For > example, since there was only a 0.02% of John and William sharing a common > father, I believe we can conclude they were not brothers. > > > > So, Carol is correct. Y-chromosome DNA testing analysis is an exercise in > statistics. Increasing the number of markers tested and increasing the > number of people tested both increase the sample size which, in turn, > decreases the width of the confidence interval. > > > > However, researchers looking for the father of John have a great advantage > in the unique combination of two markers on the Y-chromosome. In this case, > the sample size of the American cousins is large enough. What is now needed > is English cousins to get tested. > > > > You can see the DNA project results at > http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html . > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of CEVaughan412@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:08 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA - John Hayden > > > > I have a question about the Hayden DNA testing. How many Hayden's have > been > > tested in this project? While I believe that DNA testing is the only > answer > > to this John - Gideon thing, we need numbers to prove it for sure. How > > many people aren't who they think they are due to extra-marital births, > > unrecorded adoptions etc over the years? I just think that there is not > enough > > Hayden descendants in the DNA database and we certainly need those across > the > > Pond to join. > > Carol > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jason is correct. In fact, the results can be included in the FamilyTreeDNA database. However, there is one other "catch". The results are 12 markers which are low resolution. 12 marker results are really only useful for disproving a connection. Higher resolution results are needed to confirm connections with a good degree of certainty. Of course, there are exceptions. A case in point is that descendants of John Hayden of MA have a very rare combination of two values in the 12 marker panel. It is highly likely that any Hayden male with this combination descends from John or his English ancestors. Steve Hayden -----Original Message----- From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jason Haydon Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 9:54 AM To: weed-l@rootsweb.com; wade-l@rootsweb.com; hayden-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA testing alternative Hi All, As DNA testing is such a great tool to help break roadblocks in genealogy, but not all of us have the money to do it, I would like to recommend that people are are interested in DNA testing, checkout the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation. It's FREE to use them. The catch is this, they don't send the results back to you, but it's easy to find them in their database. When you submit your sample you are also required to submit a pedigree chart. The online charts name no one of 1906, however, it's very simple to find your results by searching the pedigrees in the database four yours. www.smgf.org/ Just a suggestion for those that are interested, but can not afford the test themselves. Jason --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Hayden Listers! Hope everyone is having a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend! Is the list still active? I haven't seen any emails or activity at all since mid June. In the past I have experienced "issues" with AT&T, my isp, and lists - Kept getting bumped off the Sheep-List until I couldn't even resubscribe so had to change to my Yahoo email account. What is the status of the DNA project. I haven't had time this summer to keep up on it since I got my results back. Thanks much! Bob Hayden Hayden Farm (A family tradition since 1790) Hollis, NH -------------- Original message from "shayden" <shayden@columbus.rr.com>: -------------- > The Hayden DNA Project currently has 22 members tested. The Hayden pedigrees > are as follows. > > > > Four descendants of Francis Heydon of MD; 3 well documented, one shown where > connects to Francis' line. > > > > Six descendants of John Hayden of MA; 3 well documented, 2 have secondary > sources at some links and 1 who had no clue he was related. This line is > fortunate to have the unique pair of values in the first marker panel. > > > > Two descendants of William, both well documented. > > > > Four Hadens with two lines that may or may not share a common ancestor since > immigration to America. > > > > Five Irish Haydens with one awaiting results. None of the four appear to > share a common ancestor. > > > > One Hayden of unknown origin who connects to no other tested lines. > > > > Since mutation of the Y-chromosome happens at random generation changes, one > can only calculate the probability of a shared common male ancestor. > Disproving a connection is generally easier than establishing one. For > example, since there was only a 0.02% of John and William sharing a common > father, I believe we can conclude they were not brothers. > > > > So, Carol is correct. Y-chromosome DNA testing analysis is an exercise in > statistics. Increasing the number of markers tested and increasing the > number of people tested both increase the sample size which, in turn, > decreases the width of the confidence interval. > > > > However, researchers looking for the father of John have a great advantage > in the unique combination of two markers on the Y-chromosome. In this case, > the sample size of the American cousins is large enough. What is now needed > is English cousins to get tested. > > > > You can see the DNA project results at > http://www.rhhandson.com/hayden_dna.html . > > > > Steve Hayden > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hayden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of CEVaughan412@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:08 AM > To: hayden@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA - John Hayden > > > > I have a question about the Hayden DNA testing. How many Hayden's have > been > > tested in this project? While I believe that DNA testing is the only > answer > > to this John - Gideon thing, we need numbers to prove it for sure. How > > many people aren't who they think they are due to extra-marital births, > > unrecorded adoptions etc over the years? I just think that there is not > enough > > Hayden descendants in the DNA database and we certainly need those across > the > > Pond to join. > > Carol > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jason, Have been following your search in NE MO. for your ancestors and wonder what you have found. I have a George W Hayden born around 1822 or1823 who was on the Scotland co 1850 census. Have not been able to connect him to any other Haydens in the area although am fairly centain he is related in some way. Had my brother send DNA to the family tree DNA project and from there to the Hayden project. His is not posted yet but found him related to Francis Hayden family of St mary co Md. Now need to connect the dots from George W to Francis. It is not an east task. If you have run into info on him would centainly appreciate your input. Best regards, Paula Hayden Clark eclark@adams.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Haydon" <jdhaydon@yahoo.com> To: <weed-l@rootsweb.com>; <wade-l@rootsweb.com>; <hayden-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [HAYDEN] DNA testing alternative > Hi All, > > As DNA testing is such a great tool to help break roadblocks in genealogy, > but not all of us have the money to do it, I would like to recommend that > people are are interested in DNA testing, checkout the Sorenson Molecular > Genealogy Foundation. It's FREE to use them. The catch is this, they > don't send the results back to you, but it's easy to find them in their > database. When you submit your sample you are also required to submit a > pedigree chart. The online charts name no one of 1906, however, it's > very simple to find your results by searching the pedigrees in the > database four yours. > > www.smgf.org/ > > Just a suggestion for those that are interested, but can not afford the > test themselves. > > Jason > > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Have we any results from Haydens in various parts of England? I think we'd all like to find how John Hayden of Braintree connects to a Hayden line in England. Jim in Holland, Ohio Jason Haydon <jdhaydon@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi All, As DNA testing is such a great tool to help break roadblocks in genealogy, but not all of us have the money to do it, I would like to recommend that people are are interested in DNA testing, checkout the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation. It's FREE to use them. The catch is this, they don't send the results back to you, but it's easy to find them in their database. When you submit your sample you are also required to submit a pedigree chart. The online charts name no one of 1906, however, it's very simple to find your results by searching the pedigrees in the database four yours. www.smgf.org/ Just a suggestion for those that are interested, but can not afford the test themselves. Jason --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, As DNA testing is such a great tool to help break roadblocks in genealogy, but not all of us have the money to do it, I would like to recommend that people are are interested in DNA testing, checkout the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation. It's FREE to use them. The catch is this, they don't send the results back to you, but it's easy to find them in their database. When you submit your sample you are also required to submit a pedigree chart. The online charts name no one of 1906, however, it's very simple to find your results by searching the pedigrees in the database four yours. www.smgf.org/ Just a suggestion for those that are interested, but can not afford the test themselves. Jason --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.

Can someone do a search on Fannie Stokes. She was born in 1794 and died June 2, 1888. My research says she was the daughter of Richard Stokes and Jerusha Lay. I found them listed with daughter Eliza on a John Alden site but not her. My question is are they sisters or is it possible that Richard and Jerusha are two totally different ones from the ones I'm looking for. Lauren

My William Montgomery Hayden died 1928 in Montgomery County Texas. Thanks for the try. Lisa --- Original Message ----- From: "Ernie Jones" <ernie_jones@comcast.net> To: <hayden@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [HAYDEN] William Montgomery Hayden >I have a William N Hayden born May 24, 1855, Married Maria J Edmunds > on Aug. 21 1876, and died Aug. 21. 1917. No note as to where he > settled though. (Note: I've found the Hayden family history that I > have to be pretty accurate but not perfect. William N. is close to > William M. but not sure if this is who you are looking form > > Their children were: > Jordie N. > Edna S. > > Jordie married Lura Pulver > > Edna married Merritt P. Sprague. > > Maybe this helps. Let me know if it does and I'll get you more details. > > > Ernie > > > On Jul 2, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Lisa Stephens wrote: > >> Does anyone have any info on William Montgomery Hayden, born 1854 >> La, settled in Montgomery County, Texas? >> >> thanks, >> Lisa >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAYDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone have any info on William Montgomery Hayden, born 1854 La, settled in Montgomery County, Texas? thanks, Lisa

I have an original news paper obit. for John Kitchel Hayden, born Oct. 23rd in Knox county OH, 1835, married Rachael Dodge on March 3, 1859 and died Oct. 6 1903 in Lowell IN. If there is someone out there that is in this line of the Hayden's then I'll mail you the obit. It's not the whole paper, just the one column obit. It was published October 16th, 1903. I'm not descended from this John, but am descended from his older sister Julia. Ernie

I have a William N Hayden born May 24, 1855, Married Maria J Edmunds on Aug. 21 1876, and died Aug. 21. 1917. No note as to where he settled though. (Note: I've found the Hayden family history that I have to be pretty accurate but not perfect. William N. is close to William M. but not sure if this is who you are looking form Their children were: Jordie N. Edna S. Jordie married Lura Pulver Edna married Merritt P. Sprague. Maybe this helps. Let me know if it does and I'll get you more details. Ernie On Jul 2, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Lisa Stephens wrote: > Does anyone have any info on William Montgomery Hayden, born 1854 > La, settled in Montgomery County, Texas? > > thanks, > Lisa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAYDEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message