Hello to the Hatcher group, I can help at least with the expansion of the autosomnal DNA part of the Hatcher Family Association Projects. If anyone has done the Family Finder test through familytereedna.com in Houston and you have a match to me, Vivian Toole Cates, please let me hear from you. I am still not sure if I have a Hatcher line. Even if I have a Hatcher line, I may not have gotten any part of the Hatcher DNA. While I have some understanding of DNA, I am still having some problems understanding some of it because I don't deal with it on an everyday basis. I did my test in May 2015 and now have over 6,000 matches most distantly so. Why people spend money on the test but never answer their e-mail and/or never post a pedigree chart is beyond me. My Hatcher connection is to Alfred Hatcher b. c. 1800 d.c. 1868 on the 1850 census of Edgefield District, South Carolina. I still do not have positive proof as to whether he was the biological father or stepfather of my ancestor, Frances {_?_] b.c. 1842 who was living in his household in 1850 and 1860. The 1860 census is somewhat scrambled. I will not try to explain that here. I still think that he was more likely a step father. It has been sometime since I worked on this line. I have never been able to contact the person who posted some of the information about Alfred Hatcher and some of that information might not be correct. Frances might not be a Hatcher, She just used that name. There was a lawsuit in the 1870's in Edgefield District/County, South Carolina. The heirs of Alfred Hatcher's brother, John(?), were suing Rice Swearingen whom it appears had married Alfred's Hatcher's widow for possession of Alfred's land. The provision in their father's will was that if Alfred had no children, his land at his death was to go to his brother's heirs. I have copies of some of the suit papers, but not the ones that show how the dispute was settled or who got the land and who now has possession of the land * the exact location on an Edgefield County map.. Who won the suite? Frances {_?_} b.c. 1842 d. before 1880 married James Whitlock, Jr. and they had several children including a daughter, Emma Frances Whitlock who married Ed/Edward/Edmund Carpenter about 1884. Their oldest child, Alice Leigh Carpenter b. 1885 was my paternal grandmother. The family moved from Edgefield County, South Carolina, across the Savannah River to Augusta, Georgia, after the 1900 census. The older children took jobs in the textile mills there. Right now, earlier today, the personal match sites on the familytreedna.com website were still not working as they were advertised to be upgraded by November 30th. We got "totaled" in the series of tornadoes that hit Alto in South Cherokee County, Texas, about 60 miles south of Tyler on Saturday afternoon April 13th. We lost our four bedroom house of 39 years, car, pickup truck and three bay detached garage/barn, most all of our yard trees and a lot of pasture fencing. Most of my genealogy books and other "stuff" survived. Just some still in storage and the rest very unorganized. At the age of 76 and 84 our retirement plan did not include tearing down our house and "glamping" in manufactured housing. So I am typing this from memory and I don't remember these names as well as I once did. One of the tornadoes followed right along Highway 21 and took the relatives standing timber, trees and pasture fences in Houston County, then crossed the Neches River and hit the Caddo Mounds State Historic Site Museum, our house place, and a cousins 380 cow dairy, etc. plus other places along the road and around town. Reallly tore up the public school to the tune of a new 10 plus million bond issue. Vivian Toole Cates, Mound Prairie Ranch, 2403 State Highway 21 West, Alto, Texas 75925-5706 1-936-858-3801 -----Original Message----- From: Hatcher Families Association [mailto:ban8ball@alabama.shnw.net] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 7:26 AM To: vtoole@exede.net Subject: Hatcher Family Genealogy Update - Nov 2019 Greetings! It's been a long time since I last sent out a Hatcher update. Please accept my apologies for the delay. Since last I sent out word, I started a demanding new job and moved. I've recently been laid off, so have a bit more time at the moment. I have a few topics for this message: Yes, we're still alive General website updates Updates on the DNA project: - A Y-DNA test identified a new family with over 60 members - Some very interesting news on deep background of Henrico Hatcher DNA - We're working on expanding to autosomnal DNA and want more information - Tests are on very deep discount at FTDNA and Ancestry.com through Monday We're working on a list of projects that others could take on Organization: Bill and I and the board members of the Hatcher Families Genealogy Association are all still involved, keeping the organization going, and the website up. James still managed state and federal forms from Virginia. Bill Schultz serves as the president of the organization. Website: The website is still up and running. We have the latest major version of the TNG software on the server. That new version added the ability to log, track, and compare DNA results Our hosting company has made some tweaks that make the site easier to manage, and uptime seems very good over the past year. We now show a total of 1274 user registrations, 52,491 individuals in the "Wm the Im" tree, 9047 in the Quaker, Dorset, and Newfoundland tree, and nearly 10,000 in our other Hatcher trees. Bill and I continue to approve new user registrations, to query new registered site users for their connections, and incorporate changes. New users often have data on their families to contribute, and many times those will lead to others, at FindAGrave, in cemetery websites, FamilySearch.org, and elsewhere. As always, you can see our most recent updates on the "What's New" page: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/whatsnew.php We're considering other options for the web site, in addition to the database. One would be a blog, where we could post significant updates. Another would be a "forum" where site users could communicate and coordinate projects. We'll let you know if we decide to add such features, and how you might use them. DNA project: The DNA project at FamilyTreeDNA.com now has 214 members. One of the latest members took a Y-DNA test, and has results that match only two others in the entire FTDNA database. This identified a disconnected family as not tied to any of our existing families. We'll work to flesh out further details. We now have 24 project members who have upgraded to "Big Y" tests. Those descended from "William the Immigrant" match each other very well. The folks at FTDNA show the nearest matches not part of our project differ from our "Henrico County" men by at least 30 unique changes (Single Nucleide Polymorphisms or "SNPs "). The project with the most closely-related men is the McCarthy project, working on Irish genealogy, and in particular on descendants of the "Kings of Cashel" of the tenth century. The men in their family that most closely matches "Wm the Im" all carry a specific change (SNP) that our Henrico Hatchers do not. This means that Wm descended from ancestors of those Irish kings. They have a large number of project members, and have identified specific changes for different branches of their tree, and have an estimated date for their distinctive SNP. They project that it took place in about the year 1040 BC. So much for any paper trail connecting the Hatchers to the Kings of Cashel! At this point, FTDNA uses the SNP Y34483 to identify the branch of the complete Human race Y-tree for Hatcher men. All our Henrico men carry that distinct marker, and nobody else does. Mind, FTDNA lists over 30 such SNPs carried by all the Hatcher men and nobody else. So far, no kit from any man not in our project yet shows carrying of any of those "Hatcher-only" SNPs. We have no way of knowing if our Hatcher line represents a long series of lone survivors, only sons, and other bottlenecks, or if tens of thousands of other men carry some of the Hatcher SNPs, but just haven't tested yet. For a presentation on the migration of the men leading to our branch's arrival in the British Isles, you can check this out: http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html?snp=Y34483 The link above shows the migration from about 150,000 years ago to about 1000 or so ago to the neolithic, perhaps about the time of the split from the Irish KIngs. (They place the date of the split of our Hatchers from the Kings of Cashel at only about 950 AD.) Look at the different tabs for more information, including a way to animate a marker on the timeline. You can display the tree of Y-chromosome splits down to "the Hatcher branch" at this URL: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/R;name=R-Y34483 You can browse the Big Tree of Y-DNA branches. The block showing the Y34483 SNP carried by the Hatcher men, and distance to three nearest related men (Armstrong, Harrington, and Hodges) appears here: https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=6 Those three men are to the right of the Hatcher men, and the Irish folks are the next block to our left. I know that all of the above may be heavy going for folks who aren't immersed in DNA genealogy. I intend to pull together a summary presentation soon, but wanted to get this message out without waiting to finish that. Soliciting DNA information To date, our main focus in DNA testing has involved Y-DNA tests, starting all the way back in 2002, with Nel making important discoveries. We now hope to use autosomnal DNA tests to further our efforts. To that end, we would like to know: - Who has taken an autosomnal DNA test (FTDNA FamilyFinder, Ancestry.com, or 23andMe.com)? - Who has transferred their raw data to GEDmatch.com or another site? - If you have data at GEDmatch.com, will you send us your kit number? - Who has worked to look for genetic cousins, triangulated segments, analyzed clusters of matches, or otherwise gone beyond the basics with autosomnal DNA Working with autosomnal DNA looks like it will take significantly more work per kit than Y-DNA has. If you can help with the work, please let us know! Seeking volunteers / project leaders / etc. We'd like to find ways for more folks to get involved in the Hatcher project. We're looking for both projects and project leaders. Possible projects include: - Mapping early Hatchers in England. One could start with the data in our database, or with the International Genealogical Index on FamilySearch.org, and use Google My Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/d/) or another tool to plot the locations. - Working with the 1940 census records to track our existing Hatcher families - Working with English census records to identify and connect families over there. Does anyone have any project that they'd care to lead? Please email us at hfga@googlegroups.com with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! William Watson Hatcher Families Genealogy Association

Vivian, One quick suggestion / request: Please join the Hatcher DNA project at FTDNA. You can follow this link, then log in: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=T80694&Group=Hatcher If you join the project, the admins can then look at your data to see what they (we) can determine. It looks like this is the Frances Hatcher, b. ca 1800 you mentioned in your email. I don't have any new information on her or the family generally. http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I41114&tree=WmTheIm Unfortunately, we don't have many DNA project members closely related to you. One descends from an uncle of your Frances R. Hatcher, Bartlett W Hatcher (1801-1857). We don't have any others along that line down from "Wm the Im." Alas, he took only the Y-DNA test, and not the FamilyFinder test. He also died over a decade ago. Here he is in the tree: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I41461&tree=WmTheIm As he passed away without giving us any particular permissions, we can't order additional tests for him. Regards, William On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:30 PM vtoole <vtoole@exede.net> wrote: > Hello to the Hatcher group, > I can help at least with the expansion of the autosomnal DNA part > of the Hatcher Family Association Projects. > If anyone has done the Family Finder test through > familytereedna.com in Houston and you have a match to me, Vivian Toole > Cates, please let me hear from you. I am still not sure if I have a > Hatcher > line. Even if I have a Hatcher line, I may not have gotten any part of the > Hatcher DNA. While I have some understanding of DNA, I am still having > some > problems understanding some of it because I don't deal with it on an > everyday basis. I did my test in May 2015 and now have over 6,000 matches > most distantly so. Why people spend money on the test but never answer > their e-mail and/or never post a pedigree chart is beyond me. > My Hatcher connection is to Alfred Hatcher b. c. 1800 d.c. 1868 on > the 1850 census of Edgefield District, South Carolina. I still do not have > positive proof as to whether he was the biological father or stepfather of > my ancestor, Frances {_?_] b.c. 1842 who was living in his household in > 1850 > and 1860. The 1860 census is somewhat scrambled. I will not try to > explain > that here. I still think that he was more likely a step father. > It has been sometime since I worked on this line. I have never > been > able to contact the person who posted some of the information about Alfred > Hatcher and some of that information might not be correct. Frances might > not be a Hatcher, She just used that name. > There was a lawsuit in the 1870's in Edgefield District/County, > South Carolina. The heirs of Alfred Hatcher's brother, John(?), were suing > Rice Swearingen whom it appears had married Alfred's Hatcher's widow for > possession of Alfred's land. The provision in their father's will was that > if Alfred had no children, his land at his death was to go to his brother's > heirs. > I have copies of some of the suit papers, but not the ones that > show > how the dispute was settled or who got the land and who now has possession > of the land * the exact location on an Edgefield County map.. Who won the > suite? Frances {_?_} b.c. 1842 d. before 1880 married James Whitlock, Jr. > and they had several children including a daughter, Emma Frances Whitlock > who married Ed/Edward/Edmund Carpenter about 1884. Their oldest child, > Alice Leigh Carpenter b. 1885 was my paternal grandmother. The family > moved from Edgefield County, South Carolina, across the Savannah River to > Augusta, Georgia, after the 1900 census. The older children took jobs in > the textile mills there. > Right now, earlier today, the personal match sites on the > familytreedna.com website were still not working as they were advertised > to > be upgraded by November 30th. > We got "totaled" in the series of tornadoes that hit Alto in South > Cherokee County, Texas, about 60 miles south of Tyler on Saturday afternoon > April 13th. We lost our four bedroom house of 39 years, car, pickup truck > and three bay detached garage/barn, most all of our yard trees and a lot of > pasture fencing. Most of my genealogy books and other "stuff" survived. > Just some still in storage and the rest very unorganized. At the age of 76 > and 84 our retirement plan did not include tearing down our house and > "glamping" in manufactured housing. So I am typing this from memory and I > don't remember these names as well as I once did. One of the tornadoes > followed right along Highway 21 and took the relatives standing timber, > trees and pasture fences in Houston County, then crossed the Neches River > and hit the Caddo Mounds State Historic Site Museum, our house place, and a > cousins 380 cow dairy, etc. plus other places along the road and around > town. Reallly tore up the public school to the tune of a new 10 plus > million bond issue. > Vivian Toole Cates, Mound Prairie Ranch, 2403 State Highway 21 West, Alto, > Texas 75925-5706 1-936-858-3801 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hatcher Families Association [mailto:ban8ball@alabama.shnw.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 7:26 AM > To: vtoole@exede.net > Subject: Hatcher Family Genealogy Update - Nov 2019 > > Greetings! > > It's been a long time since I last sent out a Hatcher update. Please accept > my apologies for the delay. Since last I sent out word, I started a > demanding new job and moved. I've recently been laid off, so have a bit > more > time at the moment. I have a few topics for this message: > > Yes, we're still alive > General website updates > Updates on the DNA project: > - A Y-DNA test identified a new family with over 60 members > - Some very interesting news on deep background of Henrico Hatcher DNA > - We're working on expanding to autosomnal DNA and want more information > - Tests are on very deep discount at FTDNA and Ancestry.com through Monday > We're working on a list of projects that others could take on > > Organization: > Bill and I and the board members of the Hatcher Families Genealogy > Association are all still involved, keeping the organization going, and the > website up. James still managed state and federal forms from Virginia. Bill > Schultz serves as the president of the organization. > > Website: > The website is still up and running. We have the latest major version of > the > TNG software on the server. That new version added the ability to log, > track, and compare DNA results Our hosting company has made some tweaks > that > make the site easier to manage, and uptime seems very good over the past > year. > > We now show a total of 1274 user registrations, 52,491 individuals in the > "Wm the Im" tree, 9047 in the Quaker, Dorset, and Newfoundland tree, and > nearly 10,000 in our other Hatcher trees. Bill and I continue to approve > new > user registrations, to query new registered site users for their > connections, and incorporate changes. New users often have data on their > families to contribute, and many times those will lead to others, at > FindAGrave, in cemetery websites, FamilySearch.org, and elsewhere. As > always, you can see our most recent updates on the "What's New" page: > http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/whatsnew.php > > We're considering other options for the web site, in addition to the > database. One would be a blog, where we could post significant updates. > Another would be a "forum" where site users could communicate and > coordinate > projects. We'll let you know if we decide to add such features, and how you > might use them. > > DNA project: > The DNA project at FamilyTreeDNA.com now has 214 members. One of the latest > members took a Y-DNA test, and has results that match only two others in > the > entire FTDNA database. This identified a disconnected family as not tied to > any of our existing families. We'll work to flesh out further details. > > We now have 24 project members who have upgraded to "Big Y" tests. Those > descended from "William the Immigrant" match each other very well. The > folks > at FTDNA show the nearest matches not part of our project differ from our > "Henrico County" men by at least 30 unique changes (Single Nucleide > Polymorphisms or "SNPs "). The project with the most closely-related men is > the McCarthy project, working on Irish genealogy, and in particular on > descendants of the "Kings of Cashel" of the tenth century. The men in their > family that most closely matches "Wm the Im" all carry a specific change > (SNP) that our Henrico Hatchers do not. This means that Wm descended from > ancestors of those Irish kings. They have a large number of project > members, > and have identified specific changes for different branches of their tree, > and have an estimated date for their distinctive SNP. They project that it > took place in about the year 1040 BC. So much for any paper trail > connecting > the Hatchers to the Kings of Cashel! > > At this point, FTDNA uses the SNP Y34483 to identify the branch of the > complete Human race Y-tree for Hatcher men. All our Henrico men carry that > distinct marker, and nobody else does. Mind, FTDNA lists over 30 such SNPs > carried by all the Hatcher men and nobody else. So far, no kit from any man > not in our project yet shows carrying of any of those "Hatcher-only" SNPs. > We have no way of knowing if our Hatcher line represents a long series of > lone survivors, only sons, and other bottlenecks, or if tens of thousands > of > other men carry some of the Hatcher SNPs, but just haven't tested yet. > > For a presentation on the migration of the men leading to our branch's > arrival in the British Isles, you can check this out: > http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html?snp=Y34483 > The link above shows the migration from about 150,000 years ago to about > 1000 or so ago to the neolithic, perhaps about the time of the split from > the Irish KIngs. (They place the date of the split of our Hatchers from the > Kings of Cashel at only about 950 AD.) Look at the different tabs for more > information, including a way to animate a marker on the timeline. > > You can display the tree of Y-chromosome splits down to "the Hatcher > branch" > at this URL: > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/R;name=R-Y34483 > > You can browse the Big Tree of Y-DNA branches. The block showing the Y34483 > SNP carried by the Hatcher men, and distance to three nearest related men > (Armstrong, Harrington, and Hodges) appears here: > https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=6 > Those three men are to the right of the Hatcher men, and the Irish folks > are > the next block to our left. > > I know that all of the above may be heavy going for folks who aren't > immersed in DNA genealogy. I intend to pull together a summary presentation > soon, but wanted to get this message out without waiting to finish that. > > Soliciting DNA information > To date, our main focus in DNA testing has involved Y-DNA tests, starting > all the way back in 2002, with Nel making important discoveries. We now > hope > to use autosomnal DNA tests to further our efforts. To that end, we would > like to know: > - Who has taken an autosomnal DNA test (FTDNA FamilyFinder, Ancestry.com, > or > 23andMe.com)? > - Who has transferred their raw data to GEDmatch.com or another site? > - If you have data at GEDmatch.com, will you send us your kit number? > - Who has worked to look for genetic cousins, triangulated segments, > analyzed clusters of matches, or otherwise gone beyond the basics with > autosomnal DNA Working with autosomnal DNA looks like it will take > significantly more work per kit than Y-DNA has. If you can help with the > work, please let us know! > > Seeking volunteers / project leaders / etc. > We'd like to find ways for more folks to get involved in the Hatcher > project. We're looking for both projects and project leaders. Possible > projects include: > - Mapping early Hatchers in England. One could start with the data in our > database, or with the International Genealogical Index on FamilySearch.org, > and use Google My Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/d/) or another tool to > plot the locations. > - Working with the 1940 census records to track our existing Hatcher > families > - Working with English census records to identify and connect families over > there. > > Does anyone have any project that they'd care to lead? > > Please email us at hfga@googlegroups.com with any comments, questions, or > concerns. 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