HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood And speaking of "moving fast", I just took a look at my timeline again and there's no way that Wm/Rachel could be the son of Nicholas as I said in my earlier post today. Because Hannah was born 1774, she has to be a dau of Wm Sr. This means Wm Sr was born before 1754 and I had said he was probably born c1742 (since I believed he was the Wm in the 1763 BucksCo Tax list). But our timeline has this entry......... 1753 - Wm Hatcher of Burlington, NJ sells land to Joshua Van Sant. This Wm had to be born before 1733 and I really doubt he would be the one who md Rachel in 1790 (over 57 yrs old) and having kids 10 yrs later. And that creates a new mess for us. We have our Wm/Ann VS "of PA" in 1744. We have a Wm bn bef 1733 in NJ in 1753. We have a Wm/Rachel bn bef 1754 in NJ. We know Wm/Ann appeared in the Quaker recs in 1754 but we really don't know when they moved there. It's possible while they rec'd their land grant in 1744, they may have moved to Burlington first and not taken up residence in VA til 1753-54 after they sold their NJ land to Joshua. I know this time lapse can happen since my own ggfather rec'd a grant for Iowa land in 1844 and did not move there for close to another 10 years. Nel