So, as usual, we will just keep on looking and hoping something we need pops up!! I will do some more checking on the Sands/Nick and Mary Hatcher business. I didn't read all the Quaker Sands entries that closely and there are some other things I can look at too. Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)