I just found the Bucks County VanSants, including my Johannes and wife Leah Grosbeck/Grossbeeck etc. in the Bensalem, Bucks County, PA, Dutch Reform Church Records--so no Quakers there, though Johannes and Leah apparently were married in the First Presbyterian Church of Philadelphia, 17 Feb 1702/3. Which Coat/Coate family? I tie into the Coate/s family through Samuel who was in Bucks County by 1695 when he married and his grandson Marmaduke who was born in Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1738, son of Henry. I did find a few Vansandt/VanSant etc. in Quaker Records in Pennsylvania toward the end of 1700 and on. But nothing early. Am interested in where Ray found the marriage notice of Wm. Hatcher and Ann VanSandt. I knew it must have been somewhere but had never been able to find it myself. More later. Will look up New Jersey Quaker Records-- Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Burnis, The Grosbeck name is familiar and I seem to remember some have had that name connected to Ann VanSant. I just never found any proof. Can you put these guys in a timeframe? But you're in Bensalem! And that's where Stephen Sands lived when he md Mary Hatcher in 1749. Now I've heard many say that lots of the Quakers jumped the river to marry in NJ "out of unity." In short, they eloped. But that little trick isn't unique to just Quakers. If daddy didn't like the prospective groom for whatever reason (and regardless of religion), the kids would just take matters into their own hands. So,,,... ....when Wm md Ann, were they both living in Bensalem in 1726? Was Mary Hatcher Sands the dau of Wm/Ann? This is still before 1756 when we have a Wm/Ann appear in Goose Creek. If this is correct, then it would mean Wm Jr and sister, Mary Hatcher Gibson, of Goose Creek are NOT the kids of Wm/Ann.....unless Wm/Ann named 2 daus Mary. Another wiggly worm..... I need to do a search in my files for the Coates name. It seems I have a stray Hatcher/Coates rec and think it was a Samuel Coates. But we also have in Pennsy Bob's family a John Hatcher, bn c1760, who md Amelia Coates in Philly. We also have a Wm Coates Hatcher of BurlingtonCo whose parents are unknown. So the name is definitely there.......... I'll dig up the Wm/Ann rec and send it to you privately. And you could be right. Neither Wm or Ann may have originally been Quakers but joined the Friends much later in life. Since it appears they were "surrounded", maybe it was a case of.....if you can't beat 'em, join em :-) Moving right along.......! Nel