This is a bit disjointed Nel as the more I check this stuff the more I realize we don't really know much of anything!! This is a great BIG can of worms, I would say. I am currently revisiting my Hatcher/Dillon binder to see if I have anything concrete. Most of what I have entered in my genealogy program includes lots of question marks. I found I have a little book titled "Friends in Burlington" by Amelia Mott Gummere, 1884, which includes a listing in the back of marriages in Burlington MM up to 1750. No Hatcher/Vansant wedding listed there and I cannot find thos names at all though I am just now setting out to read through the whole book to see if I missed something. I have a lot and have read a lot of Quaker Records in the New Jersey/Delaware/Pennsylvania/Virginia etc. area because of the many Quaker lines I have--especially Welsh Quakers who came into the Philadelphia area late 1600/early 1700s and I have never run across any Hatchers that I can remember. Earlier today I had the thought that maybe they became Quakers after the marriage of William/Ann Vansant. most of the recs I have for Wm/Ann begin in 1756-57 at Goose Creek Actually I found the record concerning William, Ann and younger children as well as the daughter Mary in the Fairfax MM Records, 1754. Also, a little later, the part about Wm. and his drinking. I suppose I finally gave up on going back further or even trying to figure out who William was -- because I could never find any sources. In checking my late father's records (he worked on genealogy for over 60 years) I see he stopped at Ann Hatcher/James Dillon. He never speculated which it seems several of the rest of us have been doing. Do have a transcription of the following but of course need to look for a copy of the original--"Ann VanSandt and her siblings are named in the Orphans Court records of Cecil Co, MD. Father's will left land in Cecil Co, to be used for their support. There also are deeds in Cecil Co, MD, where William Hatcher and Ann VanSandt sell land, along with VanSandt siblings." So this is something to be checked out. >From Evelyn Avery I have an abstract of the Will of William Hatcher jr., son of Wm. and Ann--Loudoun County Will Bk M., p.89. As he had no surviving children at the time of his death he leaves to his surviving sister and brother, Sarah [Russell] and Thomas Hatcher and to the children of his deceased siblings which he names: John Hatcher, Mary Gibson, James Hatcher and George Hatcher. Note: I have a Joseph Hatcher listed as a sibling but don't see a mention of him here. Need the original. Apparently the original may also name all these nieces and nephews which would be great. Of interest: the abstract says he leaves a legacy of $100 to his present house keeper, Ann Ingeledue--my John Hatcher, brother of Wm. jr., was married to a Sarah Ingeldue. I do not have a sister Ann for her but this might be a niece/aunt ?? If you and Ray and Ed can come up with what I can check on in SLC that will be great. In the meantime I will get back to my Burlington book and my search for any other true sources in the way of Tax List, Quaker Records or whatever. Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Burnis, Ray has been dumping on me all day and I'm printing out dozens of pages he's finding on genealogy.com for several surnames. One item was the BurlingtonCo marriage of Wm and Ann VS, both of PA (no county). This was NOT a Quaker marriage so not in the MM recs. "I have a lot and have read a lot of Quaker Records in the New Jersey....." I've seen almost none for NJ and hope that the Burlington Historical Soc will have them. Do you have any suggestions as to the best place to look for the NJ Quaker recs?? "There also are deeds in Cecil Co, MD, where William Hatcher and Ann VanSandt sell land, along with VanSandt siblings." Say WHAT?? Wm and Ann in MARYLAND? You've got my jaw dropping and would like to hear more on this. I'm almost positive I have some stray recs for a John and Wm Hatcher in very early Port Tobacco, MD (I think CecilCo). It's definitely worth checking this out! And now the will of Wm Jr and his sis, Mary Gibson. She was supposedly born c1749, last dau of Wm/Ann. BUT we also have the NJ marriage of Stephen Sands to Mary Hatcher, both of Bensalem,BucksCo in 1749. This is one of the strays that Evelyn could not solve but it's also another squirming worm in our can. Who is she? Stephen is probably s/o Edmond Sands (of Bensalem and s/o another Stephen Sands) who md 1720 Mary COATES (another surname in our can). Here is a list of the surnames of interest that we're looking at from late 1600s thru 1700s..... Van Horn Van Sant Sands Coates Stokes Nel