HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Gee-golly!! I think I just found something majorly important - a Death Cert for Joseph Hatcher............ This Joseph died in Philadelphia 1808, age 65 yrs (bn c1743). Coincidently, our Wm/Ann VanSant just happens to have a son, Joseph, bn c1743. Except I see not one bit of evidence that they had a son named Joseph. All their kids have circa dates so were not recorded in the Quaker records. Wm, in 1781, wrote his will naming all kids except Joseph. Wm removed to LoudounCo,. VA, in 1755 and none of his children returned to PA except this Joseph. Why? Because he never left Philly? In addition, in 1718 we have a William Hatcher witnessing a will in Philly. Our Wm was bn c1705 and should be too young to be this witness unless he's older than we think. But that's not all. Another deed dated 1726 in Philly has Wm selling land that had been owned by Joseph Hatcher in 1724. Again, I don't believe this is Wm bn 1705 but two older men with one of them possibly the father of our Wm. We do know we have unconnected Hatchers (bn mid-late 1700s) in Philly and coming out of NJ (BurlingtonCo) directly across the river from Philly with a few of these NJ Hatchers living and dying in Philly. My own thinking is that the older Wm and Joseph should be the fathers of Wm plus a number of these other (clearly Quaker) Hatchers. Does anyone have anything at all resembling proof that Wm/Ann had a son Joseph? Nel