I say we are having enough trouble with the one running amok now and for the past many years!! And I have been forced to drag out all my past research on the Hatcher/Thatcher situation. Will let you know if I find anything helpful. Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)