I don't believe this is my William, who was still married to Ann Van Sant all during these dates. Except possible this one: November 1761 - William requests a certificate for his son Joseph whom he has bound as apprentice to a Friend in Darby, Philadelphia county, Pennsylvania. "Early church Records of Loudoun county Virginia 1745-1800" by Marty Hiatt, Fairfax Monthly Meeting: HATCHER December 1757 - William guilty of several attempts to violate the chasity of Rachel TANNER February 1759 - William guilty of fornication. November 1761 - William requests a certificate for his son Joseph whom he has bound as apprentice to a Friend in Darby, Philadelphia county, Pennsylvania. January 1764 - Complaint against William for abuse of himself and reproachful conduct in frequenting taverns and public places. January 1773 - William HATCHER condemned his past misconduct. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <nelhatch@hills.net> To: "HATCHERLIST" <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: [HATCHER] For our Quaker Hatchers.......... > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D > Greenwood > > Gee-golly!! I think I just found something majorly important - a Death > Cert for Joseph Hatcher............ > > This Joseph died in Philadelphia 1808, age 65 yrs (bn c1743). > > Coincidently, our Wm/Ann VanSant just happens to have a son, Joseph, bn > c1743. Except I see not one bit of evidence that they had a son named > Joseph. > > All their kids have circa dates so were not recorded in the Quaker > records. Wm, in 1781, wrote his will naming all kids except Joseph. > > Wm removed to LoudounCo,. VA, in 1755 and none of his children returned to > PA except this Joseph. Why? Because he never left Philly? > > In addition, in 1718 we have a William Hatcher witnessing a will in > Philly. Our Wm was bn c1705 and should be too young to be this witness > unless he's older than we think. But that's not all. > > Another deed dated 1726 in Philly has Wm selling land that had been owned > by Joseph Hatcher in 1724. Again, I don't believe this is Wm bn 1705 but > two older men with one of them possibly the father of our Wm. > > We do know we have unconnected Hatchers (bn mid-late 1700s) in Philly and > coming out of NJ (BurlingtonCo) directly across the river from Philly with > a few of these NJ Hatchers living and dying in Philly. > > My own thinking is that the older Wm and Joseph should be the fathers of > Wm plus a number of these other (clearly Quaker) Hatchers. > > Does anyone have anything at all resembling proof that Wm/Ann had a son > Joseph? > > Nel > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Paul, I can see a problem here. I've pulled up Hinshaw's Encyc records and this is the exact entry. HATCHER, Joseph, gct Darby MM, Pa. 29-11-1761. Several entries for William are below showing Wm and his younger children (unnamed) recrq 1754. Wife Ann and dau Mary recrq 2 mos later. Then Wm "violates the chastity of Rachel Tanner 1758." He was restored on condition in Feb 1759. Wm's continuing problems are much as Hiatt laid out. But nothing says Joseph is a son of William, there is no mention of apprenticeship, nor do we even know how old this Joseph was. I'm not sure what Hiatt was reading in these MM minutes but his rendering of events and data seems to contain much more elaboration than what Hinshaw recorded......and I am aware of the solid rep Hinshaw has for accuracy. So......not sure what's going on here :-( Nel

I have owned all six hardbound volunes of Hinshaws Encyclopedia since the early 1960s and I also own Hiatts work, and have found errors in both. Neither author claimed to copy every record, but Hiatt specialized in certain meetings and didn't attemp to copy them all, but he included much more in the meetings that he did extract than Hinshaw did for the same meeting. Also tried to be more forgiving in the way his help copied the records or ignored them entirely. In the case of Joseph Hatcher, one copied William Hatcher requesting a certificate for his son Joseph whom he has bound as apprentice to a Friend (note capital F in Friend meaning Society of Friends member) in Darby, Philadelphia county, Pennsylvania. Hinshaw copied Joseph Hatcher being gct [granted a certificate to] Darby MM [Monthly Meeting], Pa 28-11-1761. [Joseph would have been about 17 years old at this time] Hinshaw's interpretion of Williams 1764 violation states: William, abuses his family, drinks and fights; dis [disowned] 28-1-1764; his ack[nowledgment] [was] acc[epted] & he [was] rst[restored to membership] 30-1-1773; he is again dis for "walking contrary to discipline" [this generally means marching with the militia] 31-7-1773. My william was almost 70 years old at this time and I find it hard to believe he would be marching or doing other things attributed to "a William Hatcher" above. This is where I found my William having a son Joseph. This Joseph may have been swept up in the Revolutionary war. He was not mentioned in my Williams will. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <nelhatch@hills.net> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] For our Quaker Hatchers.......... > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D > Greenwood > > Paul, > > I can see a problem here. I've pulled up Hinshaw's Encyc records and this > is the exact entry. > > HATCHER, Joseph, gct Darby MM, Pa. 29-11-1761. > > Several entries for William are below showing Wm and his younger children > (unnamed) recrq 1754. Wife Ann and dau Mary recrq 2 mos later. > > Then Wm "violates the chastity of Rachel Tanner 1758." He was restored on > condition in Feb 1759. Wm's continuing problems are much as Hiatt laid > out. > > But nothing says Joseph is a son of William, there is no mention of > apprenticeship, nor do we even know how old this Joseph was. I'm not sure > what Hiatt was reading in these MM minutes but his rendering of events and > data seems to contain much more elaboration than what Hinshaw > recorded......and I am aware of the solid rep Hinshaw has for accuracy. > > So......not sure what's going on here :-( > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >