We need more info, don't we? Could it be that one or more of those Hatchers also or formerly went by Thatcher? Do any records exist for Thatchers that might correlate with the Hatchers being discussed that might help answer some of our questions? My family line traces back through Isaac Hatcher, who left Loudon Cnty, VA to settle in Ohio, to Wm of Bucks Cnty, PA, and I and my four siblings recall from childhood the statements made by my grandparents that our name was actually once Thatcher. Yes, I know the DNA evidence disproves this anecdotal evidence, but family connections don't always match the DNA connections, do they? Or perhaps there were Thatchers who became Hatchers and also Thatchers who stayed Thatchers, and those two groups were unrelated. I love stirring the pot. Tom Hatcher ----- Original Message ----- From: nelhatch To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] For our Quaker Hatchers.......... HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Paul, First, according to the interpretations I've heard, "walking contrary to discipline" means Wm was drunk, which certainly fits with his ongoing problems. There are many records referring to military activities of one sort or other but none referring to "walking." I also have Hinshaw's complete volumes but not Hiatt's work. But while Hiatt may have concentrated on certain meetings, in this case he and Hinshaw are translating the exact same page. I just find it disturbing that we have two interpretations of the same page that have wildly different meanings. How does one report that "Joseph" requested transfer while another reports that "William" requested transfer for his son? Another small problem, and only reflecting what I've found in dozens of records, is that, at age 17, Joseph is rather old to be apprenticed out (to learn a trade). Young boys are almost always 13-15 when apprenticed in the expectation they will have fully learned their trade by the time they are of an age to earn their own way. And while errors do occur, there was only a John Hatcher with records of RW service from PA. I've found no Joseph from any state with RW service. But all of this does not explain having a Joseph bn 1743, died 1808 in PA. If he was Wm's son, why was he not mentioned in the will? For that matter, how is it known how old Joseph in the MM records was? There's nothing there that gives his age so how is it known he's "about 17"? I'm also not understanding what you're saying here..... "My william was almost 70 years old at this time and I find it hard to believe he would be marching or doing other things attributed to "a William Hatcher" above." Are you saying you don't believe it was Wm, husband of Ann, who was disciplined for "violating chastity", drinking, abusing his children, etc? He was abt 53 when the Rachel Tanner incident occurred and 59 when caught drinking, fighting, etc. And his son is ID'd as Wm Jr on the same page. There could not have been two senior Wms there without some means of ID'ing them as different individuals. Still too many questions unanswered here :-( Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Tom, I see someone left the cage door unlocked again :-) Yes, we definitely need more info/records. Unfortunately I suspect from the timetable I've got with these miscellaneous Hatcher records in PA and NJ that our biggest hangup is NJ. There's next to nada online for NJ, and that includes ancestry recs. We have these 1718-1726 BucksCo recs for Wm and Joseph Hatcher. Then Quaker Wm bn c1705 BucksCo (parents unknown), wife Ann VanSant. (Too young to be Wm above who witnessed a will in 1718). We then have Pennsy Bob's (DNA tested) Hatchers in Philly with the earliest ones Tom and John bn late 1790s in NJ. We now have Death certs on them showing bp of NJ and consistent with censi. Their father could be William bn before 1773 of BurlingtonCo, NJ who appears to have died before 1800. This Wm is the only and earliest Hatcher I have found in NJ so far. So we have a big 50 year black hole between Wm and Joseph of PA and Wm of NJ. Somehow I don't see the early PA Hatchers becoming Thatchers and then 50 yrs later reverting back to Hatcher. Nice try, Tom :-) I'm also aware of the Hatcher/Thatcher confusion but I do feel the fact that the Thatchers who tested do not match us is sufficient evidence to believe these are 2 distinct families. I also suspect that the stories claiming these names are one and the same comes from one early deed in which the names are spelled both Hatcher and Thatcher. But now that I've got more years under my belt reading these gawd-awful records, these types of misspellings are not as rare as one would think. I've never seen another record that places these 2 families in the same room with each other. And I also know that the ancestry early NJ data on Hatcher and Thatcher makes it very clear- Thatchers lived in XYZ counties and Hatchers lived in ABC counties - and never the twain meeting. Nel