A friend on another list was freaking out over the weekend, she could access any yahoo list she was on EXCEPT the one she owned. The problem was on yahoo's end, and she had to email and call them but it got fixed within 24 hours once they figured it out. HTH --- On Sun, 7/13/08, hatcher-request@rootsweb.com <hatcher-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: hatcher-request@rootsweb.com <hatcher-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: HATCHER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 256 To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:11 AM Today's Topics: 1. Major John (Janice Deason) 2. Re: Maj John - my theory in more detail......... (William W. Hatcher Sr.) 3. message from Nel Hatcher (Deborah Casey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:36:44 -0500 From: "Janice Deason" <jdeason@panhandle.rr.com> Subject: [HATCHER] Major John To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000801c8e45e$ffe18e50$f755cf44@D470W831> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nell, I'm confused. Read where you said Major John was the son of Thomas. Okay, I don't have a Thomas anywhere. Who does he belong to? Does he come in under Jeremiah? Thank you! J Deason ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:08:47 -0400 From: "William W. Hatcher Sr." <thehatchers@alltel.net> Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Maj John - my theory in more detail......... To: "'nelhatch'" <nelhatch@hills.net>, <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Cc: Joyce Harrison <gajoyce.1179@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <002a01c8e463$7a30e8a0$9601a8c0@den> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Nel, I have read, studied, and reread this email today over and over while studying what I have on file for Thomas and family. You talk about a lot of things, VA connections etc., reasons why Robert is not the correct Robert and why Ann Sanders is not the spouse of Robert, but nowhere did you really say why Mj. John is the son of Thomas other than Thomas had son by the name of John. You talk about several families being in the same proximity of each other in a SC location during the same time period which I agree. Please tell me what is the defining item or record that connects Thomas to Mj. John, or am I missing something? What connects the dots??????? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:49 AM To: HATCHERLIST Subject: [HATCHER] Maj John - my theory in more detail......... HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Good morning, All I'm going to lay out more reasons I still believe Maj John is son of Tom/Wilmoth. And I will now say I strongly believe Wm/Priscilla, currently attached as s/o Robert/Ann San---, is ALSO a son of T/W. Also keep in mind that Tom was the brother of the infamous JAMESTON. Ann Knibb Hatcher, mother of Tom, Jameston and Nancy disappeared from ChesterfieldCo sometime after 1764 [important date]. She appears in the 1790 LaurensCo, SC census. We do not know where she was in that gap but son Tom was there before 1770 and Jameston by 1772. The assumption will be that this old woman came with her sons and daughter. .....Nancy was the mother of the Milam/Hatcher family, father unknown. .........son Fleming lived on Rabun creek near the Newberry/Union Co lines. .....Tom/Wilm lived on Peters creek on the border of Newberry/Union Cos. Switching to Wm/Priscilla and Maj John. William's RW pension states he was born 1759 in MecklenburgCo, VA. Our last VA record for Tom/Wilm is 1761 ChesterfieldCo. If Tom is Wm's father, Wm was likely born in Chest. But children [absent birth records] do not know where they were born unless told. This may simply have been a belief on his part based on some long past and vague conversation. It should be noted that anyone moving to GA would pass thru Lunenburg/Mecklenburg. While we have no records [yet] showing the presence of this family in Lun/Meck, it's certainly not impossible that they remained there for a few years before moving on and may be the source for Wm's belief he was born there. Keep in mind he was only 5 yrs old in 1764 when his family arrived in GA. "Moved from Virginia in 1764 [note this date is the date Anne Knibb Hatcher disappears from VA] with his father and settled in Richmond Co. Georgia, five miles below Augusta, from whence he removed to Edgefield Co. S.C. where he first entered service about June 1778 as a volunteer private of infantry under state authority under command of General (Howe ??) in Colonel (Leroy) Hammond's Regiment, Major Purvis, Captain Ryan's Company.----- in Edgefield District S.C." It is the above record and the 1767 record of a Robert Hatcher with 5 kids applying for land in Augusta 4 miles below Augusta that is the reason for attaching Wm as a son of Robert. Robert's wife was believed to be Ann Sanders which supposedly explains the presence of the Sanders middle name in a number of Hatcher kids. The marriage record of Robert and Ann is found in AmeliaCo, VA but the record is torn and her name can only be read as Ann San. Joyce Harrison's research into this never found any Sanders family in Amelia but she did find the Sandifer family. We cannot prove from this that Ann's name was Sanders. No Ann has ever been found in the GA recs to prove AmeliaCo Ann was ever the wife of a GA Robert. I cannot explain at this time where the Sanders name came from but I also see nada evidence that Ann Sanders [if that was her name] was the source. During our years of research I came to believe that there was more than one Robert Hatcher in GA - the above Robert who appears to have always lived in/near Augusta [and never in SC per Wm's pens app] and the other Robert with land in the northern Columbia/Lincoln/Elbert Co area [which happens to be directly across the Savannah river from where Tom Jr, s/o TomWilm, was living on Turkey creek. This Robert may also be another son of Tom/Wilm. Another record for Robert of Augusta shows his arrest along with Edward Hatcher and Jacob Colson. My best research shows Jacob to have come from EdgecombeCo, NC, the home of John/Mary Hancock who had a proven son, Robert. I now believe Robt of Augusta has no connection to Maj John or Wm/Pris and that it was the best assumption available to believe John and Wm [along with several others] were Robert's sons. I also now suspect that the Robert of Augusta is the same Robert found in 1790 EdgefieldCo, SC with a John Hatcher living next door [both living alone] and that it is this Robert who died c1800 in Campbellton, SC [directly across the river from Augusta]. His estate was meager and no family member was involved in the settlement nor was there mention of children. Augusta was a "major city" at that time and would be an obvious destination for those migrating to this area. Many purchased land and remained. It is apparent that Wm's father did not stay but removed to SC. Note also that Wm arrived in 1764 but Robt did not apply for land until 3 years later. It could be a mistake for us to assume that while in GA that Tom would necessarily purchase land. The leasing of land was as much an option as purchasing. If this was the case, this would be one explanation why no records have been found for Tom's presence in GA. We do know he purchased land in 1770 on Peters creek, SC and may have been there somewhat earlier. We have oodles of military recs on the GA Hatcher boys with all of them believed to be sons of Robert. But these recs hi-lite some major differences. While "battle" recs on Maj John are non-existent, it is obvious he was career military. Wm also spent 2-3 years, beginning in 1778, as a soldier and it should be noted he joined in SC, not GA. [See his recs online]. He continued in the military in ElbertCo, GA, and [by memory] attained the rank of Captain. It should also be noted that Tom/Wilm was a Captain in 1778 SC. Another strong military connection. On the other hand, the rest of the sons of Robert are only shown as short term [2-3 mos] volunteers in the GA Militia in 1780 when the British were attempting to take GA. There is only one rec found that shows Wm in the same company with these other Hatcher boys, but Wm's recs will show he was assigned to many companies and battles, perhaps being sent to wherever troops were needed. This one interaction would not constiture proof of a close family connection. In 1820 we can place Wm/Pris in WilkinsonCo, GA, the home of Maj John. By 1830 he has moved on to MeriwetherCo, GA. We can put him in the same box with Maj John but never with the Hatchers of the Augusta [RichmondCo] area. Now for those still reading this tome....I have yet to find a record to disprove this theory [or even raise a serious niggly] but one woman's assessment does not make for proof. I would appreciate any of you who are familiar with this family or any who can ask the relevant questions to make every effort to tear this apart. I am solidly conviced this is right. I need you to unconvince me...before I start rearranging the file :-) But this does not end with just John and Wm. Once you start ripping sons from a father's breast and giving them new daddies, you open up new worm cans. Sons may need to be replaced. Other Hatchers whose connections are less convincing may become more obvious and more rearrangements may occur. This could and probably will become a major project with many possible twists and turns..........so I will be grateful for any input along the way. Have at it!!! Oh - one final point. If Maj John and Wm were connected to Robert's family, they would be descendants of Ben/Liz. Yet their DNA tests match descendants of Edward. Tom/Wilm were Ed descendants. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1529 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:23 PM ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:31:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Deborah Casey <dmarxcasey@yahoo.com> Subject: [HATCHER] message from Nel Hatcher To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <226144.43222.qm@web39205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: message from Nel Hatcher Nel is able to received email messages, however, she cannot not send any thing out.? Will probably be fixed on Monday. ? Deb Casey ------------------------------ To contact the HATCHER list administrator, send an email to HATCHER-admin@rootsweb.com. 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