The following are records of two Sandifur/Sandifer men who were present in Lunenburg County during the same time period that the family of Jeremiah and Margaret Hatcher lived there. SOURCE: LUNENBURG COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS, 1746-1767 by June Banks Evans, 1990. 1748/49 LDB 1: p. 24: 405-407 - 2 Feb. 1748/49: William Sandefur was a witness to a land deed. 1748 LDB 1: pp 29-30: 479 - 481 - 6 Feb 1748: William Sandefur was a witness to the will of Francis Howard 1753 LDB 3: p. 40: 388-390 - 6 Nov. 1753: William Sandefur of Cumberland Parish in Lunenburg County sells 323 acres for 100 lbs in same parish and county to Samuel Young. No witnesses. Wife Elizabeth relinquished her dower rights. 1756 LDB 4: p. 49: 31 Aug 1756. William Sandefur witnessed a land deed in Lunenburg Co. p. 58: 28 Sep. 1756: Amos Hix of Amelia County to James Sandefur of Lunenburg County, 10 pounds, 373 acres, Lunenburg County at mouth of Deep Gut, s. to mouth of a branch on Little Crk., up branch to new line south fork of Little Crk. Wit: Samuel Bugg, Sherwood Bugg Sig: Amos Hix Anselm Bugg, Edmd. Bugg Rec. 1 Mar 1757 LDB 5: p. 32. Samuel Buggs and James Sandefur's lines described as joining near the Roanoke River. p. 40: 377 - 19 Jan 1759 - William Sandefer to George Freeman, both of Lunenburg County, 200 acres, 100 pounds in Lunenburg on upper side of Allen's Creek. Wit: Anselm Bugg, Samuel Young Sig: William Sandefer Amos Hix Rec. 1 May 1759 Wife Elizabeth relinquished her dower rights 1760 LDB 6: p. 31: A reference to Samuel Bugg, William Sandefur and James Sandefur on the south side of Long Branch. Long Branch flowed into Allen Creek a few miles before Allen Creek flowed into Roanoke River. These references to James and William Sandefur in close proximity to the Bugg family and the Hatcher family caused me to wonder if perhaps Robert Hatcher's wife Anne was a Sandefur and not a Sanders. --------------------------------- Robert Hatcher and Anne Sanders Anne Sanders mother and father were Thomas Sanders and Anne Adams, her grand parents were James Sanders and Sarah Scrimschire : From the Sanders Saga by Catherine S. McConnell - The names of the children of James and Sarah Sanders are listed in the Register of St. Peter's Parish in New Kent county, Va. With the dates of their Baptism, this register is found in the Virginia State Library in Richmond Virginia. JAMES AND SARAH SANDERS OF NEW KENT COUNTY A document, which can be accepted as truly that of the Sanders family of southwestern Virginia, has been laminated for preservation and is in possession of the writer. The entire document is quoted here: A catalogue of the marriage of James Sanders and Sarah Scrimschire, the ages of their children. James Sanders was mar-ried to Sarah Scrinishire September 7th, 1698. Born Thomas Sanders October 16th 1699 John Sanders August 29th 1701 Alice Sanders February 4th 1703 James Sanders February 10th 1706 Hannah Sanders April 5th 1709 Sarah Sanders March 3rd 1713 Stephen Sanders December 11th 1714 Elizabeth Sanders July 5th 1716 James Sanders was the Great Grandfather of William, John, Nancy, Robert and Adams Sanders. Copied this 2nd day of November, 1817 By Adams Sanders. " (P. 197.) Names of these children of James and Sarah Sanders are listed in the Register of St. Peter's Parish in New Kent County, Virginia, with dates of their baptism. This Register, published by the Virginia State Library, Richmond, is one of the rare sources of information about early residents of that county. After extensive searching, Jouet McGavock Boyd (p. xi) made the following statement in correspondence with the writer: "I am convinced that James and Sarah, listed in the St. Peter's Parish Register, are the ancestors of the Sanders family of Wythe County and that they are buried in New Kent County." Sarah's surname is spelled two ways by Adams Sanders in the above quoted document which may not be a grave error. Charles 1vV. Bardsley describes similar names in his English Surnames (p. 220), "SCRIM-SHIRE, SCHRIMSHIRE, SKRYMSHER, SKRIMSHIRE, ETC. SANDERS SAGA No record of Sarah's birth and death has been preserved. James was born in 1650 and died in 1717 as recorded in family papers. No attempt has been made by the writer to search the descendants of other than Thomas Sanders, the oldest child of James and Sarah. The following record is from genealogical data kept by early members of the family. Thomas Sanders, b. 16 Oct. 1699, d. 7 Apr. 1772, m. 16 July 1729 to Anne Adams who d. 18 Mar. 1769. (A note concerning this Anne Adams: Some descendants have said, "She is thought to be a relative of President John Adams" - an extensive search has not revealed any evidence of proof of her ancestry. As will be noticed, the name 'Adams' has been carried in the family for several genera-tions, thus giving honor to Anne, regardless of her lineage.) Thomas and Anne Adams Sanders were parents of fourteen children. 1.James Sanders, b. 16 Aug. 1730. 2.Judah Sanders, b. 14 Apr. 1733. 3.Anne Sanders, b. 22Jan. 1735. - 4.Bettie Sanders, b. 8 Mar. 1736. 5.Mary Sanders, b. 9 June 1738. 6.Adams Sanders, b. 13 Nov. 1740. 7.Thomas Sanders, b. 15 Oct. 1742. 9.Stephen Sanders, b. 10 May 1747, m. Isabella Campbell (p. 258). 10.Robert Sanders, b. 22 January 1749, 2nd husband of Catherine Ganaway 11.William Sanders, b. 22 Jan. 1749, twin to Robert. 12.Sarah Sanders, b. 18 May 1751. j 13.Agnes Sanders, b. 21 Aug. 1753.14.Daniel Sanders, b. 24 Oct. 1755. I find it interesting that Anne Sanders had brothers named John Sanders Robert Sanders and James William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. M Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:58 PM To: Jan Wilbanks; hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] The wrap-up on Maj John.......... HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Jan, "Very unusual first name for a man unless it is in the family." Some of these names become obvious as to their source - a proven mother's maiden name, a famous person (Francis Marion, Nathanial Green). In the case of Sanders scattered here and there thru Maj John's line, it becomes less obvious. And it is only the source of the first occurrence that becomes important. After that it simply becomes a "family name" used by descendants who likely do not even know the original source. That is particularly true in our case when it cannot be proven that Ann's name was Sanders or that this woman was ever in GA or that she can even be connected to John at this point. With John now attached to Tom/Wilm, with deeper digging we might discover that this name came from somewhere in Wilm's family or in honor of a respected neighbor or associate. What I do know is that this name was used widely in GA families. If you go to WC and search for the given name Sanders with a birthplace GA, you will find men with the following surnames born between 1792-1820 named Sanders..... Arnold, Blanchard, Bowden, Burgess, Butler, Clements, Colbert, Creekmore, Davis, Dimond, Favor.......just from a few pages. There are dozens born after 1820 who were probably so named because it's now a "family name." This name in the Hatcher family just isn't unique to us. It would be interesting to know it's source and with it's wide use, I've tried to find some prominent Sanders man as a source and have been unable. I just don't know Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM