HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Good morning, All I'm going to lay out more reasons I still believe Maj John is son of Tom/Wilmoth. And I will now say I strongly believe Wm/Priscilla, currently attached as s/o Robert/Ann San---, is ALSO a son of T/W. Also keep in mind that Tom was the brother of the infamous JAMESTON. Ann Knibb Hatcher, mother of Tom, Jameston and Nancy disappeared from ChesterfieldCo sometime after 1764 [important date]. She appears in the 1790 LaurensCo, SC census. We do not know where she was in that gap but son Tom was there before 1770 and Jameston by 1772. The assumption will be that this old woman came with her sons and daughter. ....Nancy was the mother of the Milam/Hatcher family, father unknown. ........son Fleming lived on Rabun creek near the Newberry/Union Co lines. ....Tom/Wilm lived on Peters creek on the border of Newberry/Union Cos. Switching to Wm/Priscilla and Maj John. William's RW pension states he was born 1759 in MecklenburgCo, VA. Our last VA record for Tom/Wilm is 1761 ChesterfieldCo. If Tom is Wm's father, Wm was likely born in Chest. But children [absent birth records] do not know where they were born unless told. This may simply have been a belief on his part based on some long past and vague conversation. It should be noted that anyone moving to GA would pass thru Lunenburg/Mecklenburg. While we have no records [yet] showing the presence of this family in Lun/Meck, it's certainly not impossible that they remained there for a few years before moving on and may be the source for Wm's belief he was born there. Keep in mind he was only 5 yrs old in 1764 when his family arrived in GA. "Moved from Virginia in 1764 [note this date is the date Anne Knibb Hatcher disappears from VA] with his father and settled in Richmond Co. Georgia, five miles below Augusta, from whence he removed to Edgefield Co. S.C. where he first entered service about June 1778 as a volunteer private of infantry under state authority under command of General (Howe ??) in Colonel (Leroy) Hammond's Regiment, Major Purvis, Captain Ryan's Company.----- in Edgefield District S.C." It is the above record and the 1767 record of a Robert Hatcher with 5 kids applying for land in Augusta 4 miles below Augusta that is the reason for attaching Wm as a son of Robert. Robert's wife was believed to be Ann Sanders which supposedly explains the presence of the Sanders middle name in a number of Hatcher kids. The marriage record of Robert and Ann is found in AmeliaCo, VA but the record is torn and her name can only be read as Ann San. Joyce Harrison's research into this never found any Sanders family in Amelia but she did find the Sandifer family. We cannot prove from this that Ann's name was Sanders. No Ann has ever been found in the GA recs to prove AmeliaCo Ann was ever the wife of a GA Robert. I cannot explain at this time where the Sanders name came from but I also see nada evidence that Ann Sanders [if that was her name] was the source. During our years of research I came to believe that there was more than one Robert Hatcher in GA - the above Robert who appears to have always lived in/near Augusta [and never in SC per Wm's pens app] and the other Robert with land in the northern Columbia/Lincoln/Elbert Co area [which happens to be directly across the Savannah river from where Tom Jr, s/o TomWilm, was living on Turkey creek. This Robert may also be another son of Tom/Wilm. Another record for Robert of Augusta shows his arrest along with Edward Hatcher and Jacob Colson. My best research shows Jacob to have come from EdgecombeCo, NC, the home of John/Mary Hancock who had a proven son, Robert. I now believe Robt of Augusta has no connection to Maj John or Wm/Pris and that it was the best assumption available to believe John and Wm [along with several others] were Robert's sons. I also now suspect that the Robert of Augusta is the same Robert found in 1790 EdgefieldCo, SC with a John Hatcher living next door [both living alone] and that it is this Robert who died c1800 in Campbellton, SC [directly across the river from Augusta]. His estate was meager and no family member was involved in the settlement nor was there mention of children. Augusta was a "major city" at that time and would be an obvious destination for those migrating to this area. Many purchased land and remained. It is apparent that Wm's father did not stay but removed to SC. Note also that Wm arrived in 1764 but Robt did not apply for land until 3 years later. It could be a mistake for us to assume that while in GA that Tom would necessarily purchase land. The leasing of land was as much an option as purchasing. If this was the case, this would be one explanation why no records have been found for Tom's presence in GA. We do know he purchased land in 1770 on Peters creek, SC and may have been there somewhat earlier. We have oodles of military recs on the GA Hatcher boys with all of them believed to be sons of Robert. But these recs hi-lite some major differences. While "battle" recs on Maj John are non-existent, it is obvious he was career military. Wm also spent 2-3 years, beginning in 1778, as a soldier and it should be noted he joined in SC, not GA. [See his recs online]. He continued in the military in ElbertCo, GA, and [by memory] attained the rank of Captain. It should also be noted that Tom/Wilm was a Captain in 1778 SC. Another strong military connection. On the other hand, the rest of the sons of Robert are only shown as short term [2-3 mos] volunteers in the GA Militia in 1780 when the British were attempting to take GA. There is only one rec found that shows Wm in the same company with these other Hatcher boys, but Wm's recs will show he was assigned to many companies and battles, perhaps being sent to wherever troops were needed. This one interaction would not constiture proof of a close family connection. In 1820 we can place Wm/Pris in WilkinsonCo, GA, the home of Maj John. By 1830 he has moved on to MeriwetherCo, GA. We can put him in the same box with Maj John but never with the Hatchers of the Augusta [RichmondCo] area. Now for those still reading this tome....I have yet to find a record to disprove this theory [or even raise a serious niggly] but one woman's assessment does not make for proof. I would appreciate any of you who are familiar with this family or any who can ask the relevant questions to make every effort to tear this apart. I am solidly conviced this is right. I need you to unconvince me...before I start rearranging the file :-) But this does not end with just John and Wm. Once you start ripping sons from a father's breast and giving them new daddies, you open up new worm cans. Sons may need to be replaced. Other Hatchers whose connections are less convincing may become more obvious and more rearrangements may occur. This could and probably will become a major project with many possible twists and turns..........so I will be grateful for any input along the way. Have at it!!! Oh - one final point. If Maj John and Wm were connected to Robert's family, they would be descendants of Ben/Liz. Yet their DNA tests match descendants of Edward. Tom/Wilm were Ed descendants. Nel

I'm going to have to read and study all of this and compare it to what I got in my file several time before I start trying to shoot any holes in it! Maybe later tonight? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. M Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:49 AM To: HATCHERLIST Subject: [HATCHER] Maj John - my theory in more detail......... HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Good morning, All I'm going to lay out more reasons I still believe Maj John is son of Tom/Wilmoth. And I will now say I strongly believe Wm/Priscilla, currently attached as s/o Robert/Ann San---, is ALSO a son of T/W. Also keep in mind that Tom was the brother of the infamous JAMESTON. Ann Knibb Hatcher, mother of Tom, Jameston and Nancy disappeared from ChesterfieldCo sometime after 1764 [important date]. She appears in the 1790 LaurensCo, SC census. We do not know where she was in that gap but son Tom was there before 1770 and Jameston by 1772. The assumption will be that this old woman came with her sons and daughter. ....Nancy was the mother of the Milam/Hatcher family, father unknown. ........son Fleming lived on Rabun creek near the Newberry/Union Co lines. ....Tom/Wilm lived on Peters creek on the border of Newberry/Union Cos. Switching to Wm/Priscilla and Maj John. William's RW pension states he was born 1759 in MecklenburgCo, VA. Our last VA record for Tom/Wilm is 1761 ChesterfieldCo. If Tom is Wm's father, Wm was likely born in Chest. But children [absent birth records] do not know where they were born unless told. This may simply have been a belief on his part based on some long past and vague conversation. It should be noted that anyone moving to GA would pass thru Lunenburg/Mecklenburg. While we have no records [yet] showing the presence of this family in Lun/Meck, it's certainly not impossible that they remained there for a few years before moving on and may be the source for Wm's belief he was born there. Keep in mind he was only 5 yrs old in 1764 when his family arrived in GA. "Moved from Virginia in 1764 [note this date is the date Anne Knibb Hatcher disappears from VA] with his father and settled in Richmond Co. Georgia, five miles below Augusta, from whence he removed to Edgefield Co. S.C. where he first entered service about June 1778 as a volunteer private of infantry under state authority under command of General (Howe ??) in Colonel (Leroy) Hammond's Regiment, Major Purvis, Captain Ryan's Company.----- in Edgefield District S.C." It is the above record and the 1767 record of a Robert Hatcher with 5 kids applying for land in Augusta 4 miles below Augusta that is the reason for attaching Wm as a son of Robert. Robert's wife was believed to be Ann Sanders which supposedly explains the presence of the Sanders middle name in a number of Hatcher kids. The marriage record of Robert and Ann is found in AmeliaCo, VA but the record is torn and her name can only be read as Ann San. Joyce Harrison's research into this never found any Sanders family in Amelia but she did find the Sandifer family. We cannot prove from this that Ann's name was Sanders. No Ann has ever been found in the GA recs to prove AmeliaCo Ann was ever the wife of a GA Robert. I cannot explain at this time where the Sanders name came from but I also see nada evidence that Ann Sanders [if that was her name] was the source. During our years of research I came to believe that there was more than one Robert Hatcher in GA - the above Robert who appears to have always lived in/near Augusta [and never in SC per Wm's pens app] and the other Robert with land in the northern Columbia/Lincoln/Elbert Co area [which happens to be directly across the Savannah river from where Tom Jr, s/o TomWilm, was living on Turkey creek. This Robert may also be another son of Tom/Wilm. Another record for Robert of Augusta shows his arrest along with Edward Hatcher and Jacob Colson. My best research shows Jacob to have come from EdgecombeCo, NC, the home of John/Mary Hancock who had a proven son, Robert. I now believe Robt of Augusta has no connection to Maj John or Wm/Pris and that it was the best assumption available to believe John and Wm [along with several others] were Robert's sons. I also now suspect that the Robert of Augusta is the same Robert found in 1790 EdgefieldCo, SC with a John Hatcher living next door [both living alone] and that it is this Robert who died c1800 in Campbellton, SC [directly across the river from Augusta]. His estate was meager and no family member was involved in the settlement nor was there mention of children. Augusta was a "major city" at that time and would be an obvious destination for those migrating to this area. Many purchased land and remained. It is apparent that Wm's father did not stay but removed to SC. Note also that Wm arrived in 1764 but Robt did not apply for land until 3 years later. It could be a mistake for us to assume that while in GA that Tom would necessarily purchase land. The leasing of land was as much an option as purchasing. If this was the case, this would be one explanation why no records have been found for Tom's presence in GA. We do know he purchased land in 1770 on Peters creek, SC and may have been there somewhat earlier. We have oodles of military recs on the GA Hatcher boys with all of them believed to be sons of Robert. But these recs hi-lite some major differences. While "battle" recs on Maj John are non-existent, it is obvious he was career military. Wm also spent 2-3 years, beginning in 1778, as a soldier and it should be noted he joined in SC, not GA. [See his recs online]. He continued in the military in ElbertCo, GA, and [by memory] attained the rank of Captain. It should also be noted that Tom/Wilm was a Captain in 1778 SC. Another strong military connection. On the other hand, the rest of the sons of Robert are only shown as short term [2-3 mos] volunteers in the GA Militia in 1780 when the British were attempting to take GA. There is only one rec found that shows Wm in the same company with these other Hatcher boys, but Wm's recs will show he was assigned to many companies and battles, perhaps being sent to wherever troops were needed. This one interaction would not constiture proof of a close family connection. In 1820 we can place Wm/Pris in WilkinsonCo, GA, the home of Maj John. By 1830 he has moved on to MeriwetherCo, GA. We can put him in the same box with Maj John but never with the Hatchers of the Augusta [RichmondCo] area. Now for those still reading this tome....I have yet to find a record to disprove this theory [or even raise a serious niggly] but one woman's assessment does not make for proof. I would appreciate any of you who are familiar with this family or any who can ask the relevant questions to make every effort to tear this apart. I am solidly conviced this is right. I need you to unconvince me...before I start rearranging the file :-) But this does not end with just John and Wm. Once you start ripping sons from a father's breast and giving them new daddies, you open up new worm cans. Sons may need to be replaced. Other Hatchers whose connections are less convincing may become more obvious and more rearrangements may occur. This could and probably will become a major project with many possible twists and turns..........so I will be grateful for any input along the way. Have at it!!! Oh - one final point. If Maj John and Wm were connected to Robert's family, they would be descendants of Ben/Liz. Yet their DNA tests match descendants of Edward. Tom/Wilm were Ed descendants. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1529 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:23 PM

Nel, You stated: but one woman's assessment does not make for proof. I totally agree! Several assessments does not make for proof unfortunately! You further stated: I would appreciate any of you who are familiar with this family or any who can ask the relevant questions to make every effort to tear this apart. I am solidly conviced this is right. I need you to unconvince me...before I start rearranging the file :-) _____________________________________ I am NOT convinced and I hope I can unconvince you?! And you have already rearranged the on line file before allowing any of this to be looked at objectively or for a few good discussions for a few days. You wanted some feedback, so here it goes. I agree on the DNA, but I am having a big problem with this supposed connection for some of the following reasons: 1. first you don't have any real proof. (wish we did) 2. none of Mj. Johns children are named Thomas or Jameston. 3. his first born was named "Jeremiah Brady", we know where the Brady came from, but in the normal naming convention of the day, the first born would have been named for the grandfather, hence, Jeremiah Hatcher( Robert and Edwards father) and the second born male named for the father. If Jameston was Mj.s grandfather, why did he not name his first born Jameston and his second born male Thomas? Reason, I don't think Mj. John was a child of Thomas Hatcher! Based on the names of the male children, whom all match up with either Robert and / or Jeremiah and in some cases their grandmother or great grandmother's maiden names. All of Mj. John's children's names can be matched to either Robert or Jeremiah and / or their wives or children's names. Strangely enough the only one missing is Edward of which just last year you were trying to say he was Mj. Johns father. There is NO Thomas, NO Jameston, NO Dempsey, NO Wilmoth male or female. We know Mj. John's children's names are correct, we have the proof. It just does not add up based on just people being in the same location at the same time frame. A lot of different Hatcher lines crossed paths during the great migrations to the south during the opening up of the frontier. I am not ready to buy off on it just yet, we need some real proof. If you feel so strongly that Robert is not the Mj.s father, and he may well not be, but I do belief that John is from this line somewhere, somehow based on the children's names. I know, you will say this does not prove swat and it doesn't, but it is as good as any other proof I have seen. I for one would rather you list John on the unknown file rather than keep moving him around based on just circumstantial evidence and gut feelings that come along from time to time. As you well know, people will copy these new connections when you make them and they will still be out there on the Web for years to come misleading others and getting re-copied over and over long after you have changed them to some other connection. Don't take this as criticism, you know I love and respect what you do, we just need to move a little slower on John till we come up with some real proof and when that happens, everyone will buy in and be comfortable with a solid connection including myself. >From the Bible: 4. John Jr.s Bible lists Mj. John, wife, and first four children to wit: Page 680: BIRTHS John Hatcher Sr Was Bornd March 7th 1757 Mary Hatcher Was Bornd 1763 Marryed Dec 30th 1779 Jeremiah B. Hatcher Was Bornd Sept.20th 1780 Nancy Hatcher Was Bornd Nov 4 1782 Mary Hatcher Was Bornd Oct 26 1784 John Hatcher Was Bornd May 7th 1786 Margaret Hatcher Was Born July the 17th 1791 (John Jr.s wife) And I thought Robert(Alabama Bob) has some of the war records on file for Mj. John? I can't prove Nel's theory is wrong nor can she prove it is correct, I wish we could one way or the other; once in for all put John to rest. I am sure I can probable shoot some more holes in the theory given time, but time is short these days for me. Dear God, I wish we could find that elusive record to prove who Mj. John's father or at lease who his grandfather was.... Anyone else is welcome to wade in on this discussion, the more the better, Regards to all, William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. M Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of William W. Hatcher Sr. Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:50 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Maj John - my theory in more detail......... I'm going to have to read and study all of this and compare it to what I got in my file several time before I start trying to shoot any holes in it! Maybe later tonight? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. M Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:49 AM To: HATCHERLIST Subject: [HATCHER] Maj John - my theory in more detail......... HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Good morning, All I'm going to lay out more reasons I still believe Maj John is son of Tom/Wilmoth. And I will now say I strongly believe Wm/Priscilla, currently attached as s/o Robert/Ann San---, is ALSO a son of T/W. Also keep in mind that Tom was the brother of the infamous JAMESTON. Ann Knibb Hatcher, mother of Tom, Jameston and Nancy disappeared from ChesterfieldCo sometime after 1764 [important date]. She appears in the 1790 LaurensCo, SC census. We do not know where she was in that gap but son Tom was there before 1770 and Jameston by 1772. The assumption will be that this old woman came with her sons and daughter. ....Nancy was the mother of the Milam/Hatcher family, father unknown. ........son Fleming lived on Rabun creek near the Newberry/Union Co lines. ....Tom/Wilm lived on Peters creek on the border of Newberry/Union Cos. Switching to Wm/Priscilla and Maj John. William's RW pension states he was born 1759 in MecklenburgCo, VA. Our last VA record for Tom/Wilm is 1761 ChesterfieldCo. If Tom is Wm's father, Wm was likely born in Chest. But children [absent birth records] do not know where they were born unless told. This may simply have been a belief on his part based on some long past and vague conversation. It should be noted that anyone moving to GA would pass thru Lunenburg/Mecklenburg. While we have no records [yet] showing the presence of this family in Lun/Meck, it's certainly not impossible that they remained there for a few years before moving on and may be the source for Wm's belief he was born there. Keep in mind he was only 5 yrs old in 1764 when his family arrived in GA. "Moved from Virginia in 1764 [note this date is the date Anne Knibb Hatcher disappears from VA] with his father and settled in Richmond Co. Georgia, five miles below Augusta, from whence he removed to Edgefield Co. S.C. where he first entered service about June 1778 as a volunteer private of infantry under state authority under command of General (Howe ??) in Colonel (Leroy) Hammond's Regiment, Major Purvis, Captain Ryan's Company.----- in Edgefield District S.C." It is the above record and the 1767 record of a Robert Hatcher with 5 kids applying for land in Augusta 4 miles below Augusta that is the reason for attaching Wm as a son of Robert. Robert's wife was believed to be Ann Sanders which supposedly explains the presence of the Sanders middle name in a number of Hatcher kids. The marriage record of Robert and Ann is found in AmeliaCo, VA but the record is torn and her name can only be read as Ann San. Joyce Harrison's research into this never found any Sanders family in Amelia but she did find the Sandifer family. We cannot prove from this that Ann's name was Sanders. No Ann has ever been found in the GA recs to prove AmeliaCo Ann was ever the wife of a GA Robert. I cannot explain at this time where the Sanders name came from but I also see nada evidence that Ann Sanders [if that was her name] was the source. During our years of research I came to believe that there was more than one Robert Hatcher in GA - the above Robert who appears to have always lived in/near Augusta [and never in SC per Wm's pens app] and the other Robert with land in the northern Columbia/Lincoln/Elbert Co area [which happens to be directly across the Savannah river from where Tom Jr, s/o TomWilm, was living on Turkey creek. This Robert may also be another son of Tom/Wilm. Another record for Robert of Augusta shows his arrest along with Edward Hatcher and Jacob Colson. My best research shows Jacob to have come from EdgecombeCo, NC, the home of John/Mary Hancock who had a proven son, Robert. I now believe Robt of Augusta has no connection to Maj John or Wm/Pris and that it was the best assumption available to believe John and Wm [along with several others] were Robert's sons. I also now suspect that the Robert of Augusta is the same Robert found in 1790 EdgefieldCo, SC with a John Hatcher living next door [both living alone] and that it is this Robert who died c1800 in Campbellton, SC [directly across the river from Augusta]. His estate was meager and no family member was involved in the settlement nor was there mention of children. Augusta was a "major city" at that time and would be an obvious destination for those migrating to this area. Many purchased land and remained. It is apparent that Wm's father did not stay but removed to SC. Note also that Wm arrived in 1764 but Robt did not apply for land until 3 years later. It could be a mistake for us to assume that while in GA that Tom would necessarily purchase land. The leasing of land was as much an option as purchasing. If this was the case, this would be one explanation why no records have been found for Tom's presence in GA. We do know he purchased land in 1770 on Peters creek, SC and may have been there somewhat earlier. We have oodles of military recs on the GA Hatcher boys with all of them believed to be sons of Robert. But these recs hi-lite some major differences. While "battle" recs on Maj John are non-existent, it is obvious he was career military. Wm also spent 2-3 years, beginning in 1778, as a soldier and it should be noted he joined in SC, not GA. [See his recs online]. He continued in the military in ElbertCo, GA, and [by memory] attained the rank of Captain. It should also be noted that Tom/Wilm was a Captain in 1778 SC. Another strong military connection. On the other hand, the rest of the sons of Robert are only shown as short term [2-3 mos] volunteers in the GA Militia in 1780 when the British were attempting to take GA. There is only one rec found that shows Wm in the same company with these other Hatcher boys, but Wm's recs will show he was assigned to many companies and battles, perhaps being sent to wherever troops were needed. This one interaction would not constiture proof of a close family connection. In 1820 we can place Wm/Pris in WilkinsonCo, GA, the home of Maj John. By 1830 he has moved on to MeriwetherCo, GA. We can put him in the same box with Maj John but never with the Hatchers of the Augusta [RichmondCo] area. Now for those still reading this tome....I have yet to find a record to disprove this theory [or even raise a serious niggly] but one woman's assessment does not make for proof. I would appreciate any of you who are familiar with this family or any who can ask the relevant questions to make every effort to tear this apart. I am solidly conviced this is right. I need you to unconvince me...before I start rearranging the file :-) But this does not end with just John and Wm. Once you start ripping sons from a father's breast and giving them new daddies, you open up new worm cans. Sons may need to be replaced. Other Hatchers whose connections are less convincing may become more obvious and more rearrangements may occur. This could and probably will become a major project with many possible twists and turns..........so I will be grateful for any input along the way. Have at it!!! Oh - one final point. If Maj John and Wm were connected to Robert's family, they would be descendants of Ben/Liz. Yet their DNA tests match descendants of Edward. Tom/Wilm were Ed descendants. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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Hi Nel, I have read, studied, and reread this email today over and over while studying what I have on file for Thomas and family. You talk about a lot of things, VA connections etc., reasons why Robert is not the correct Robert and why Ann Sanders is not the spouse of Robert, but nowhere did you really say why Mj. John is the son of Thomas other than Thomas had son by the name of John. You talk about several families being in the same proximity of each other in a SC location during the same time period which I agree. Please tell me what is the defining item or record that connects Thomas to Mj. John, or am I missing something? What connects the dots??????? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:49 AM To: HATCHERLIST Subject: [HATCHER] Maj John - my theory in more detail......... HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Good morning, All I'm going to lay out more reasons I still believe Maj John is son of Tom/Wilmoth. And I will now say I strongly believe Wm/Priscilla, currently attached as s/o Robert/Ann San---, is ALSO a son of T/W. Also keep in mind that Tom was the brother of the infamous JAMESTON. Ann Knibb Hatcher, mother of Tom, Jameston and Nancy disappeared from ChesterfieldCo sometime after 1764 [important date]. She appears in the 1790 LaurensCo, SC census. We do not know where she was in that gap but son Tom was there before 1770 and Jameston by 1772. The assumption will be that this old woman came with her sons and daughter. ....Nancy was the mother of the Milam/Hatcher family, father unknown. ........son Fleming lived on Rabun creek near the Newberry/Union Co lines. ....Tom/Wilm lived on Peters creek on the border of Newberry/Union Cos. Switching to Wm/Priscilla and Maj John. William's RW pension states he was born 1759 in MecklenburgCo, VA. Our last VA record for Tom/Wilm is 1761 ChesterfieldCo. If Tom is Wm's father, Wm was likely born in Chest. But children [absent birth records] do not know where they were born unless told. This may simply have been a belief on his part based on some long past and vague conversation. It should be noted that anyone moving to GA would pass thru Lunenburg/Mecklenburg. While we have no records [yet] showing the presence of this family in Lun/Meck, it's certainly not impossible that they remained there for a few years before moving on and may be the source for Wm's belief he was born there. Keep in mind he was only 5 yrs old in 1764 when his family arrived in GA. "Moved from Virginia in 1764 [note this date is the date Anne Knibb Hatcher disappears from VA] with his father and settled in Richmond Co. Georgia, five miles below Augusta, from whence he removed to Edgefield Co. S.C. where he first entered service about June 1778 as a volunteer private of infantry under state authority under command of General (Howe ??) in Colonel (Leroy) Hammond's Regiment, Major Purvis, Captain Ryan's Company.----- in Edgefield District S.C." It is the above record and the 1767 record of a Robert Hatcher with 5 kids applying for land in Augusta 4 miles below Augusta that is the reason for attaching Wm as a son of Robert. Robert's wife was believed to be Ann Sanders which supposedly explains the presence of the Sanders middle name in a number of Hatcher kids. The marriage record of Robert and Ann is found in AmeliaCo, VA but the record is torn and her name can only be read as Ann San. Joyce Harrison's research into this never found any Sanders family in Amelia but she did find the Sandifer family. We cannot prove from this that Ann's name was Sanders. No Ann has ever been found in the GA recs to prove AmeliaCo Ann was ever the wife of a GA Robert. I cannot explain at this time where the Sanders name came from but I also see nada evidence that Ann Sanders [if that was her name] was the source. During our years of research I came to believe that there was more than one Robert Hatcher in GA - the above Robert who appears to have always lived in/near Augusta [and never in SC per Wm's pens app] and the other Robert with land in the northern Columbia/Lincoln/Elbert Co area [which happens to be directly across the Savannah river from where Tom Jr, s/o TomWilm, was living on Turkey creek. This Robert may also be another son of Tom/Wilm. Another record for Robert of Augusta shows his arrest along with Edward Hatcher and Jacob Colson. My best research shows Jacob to have come from EdgecombeCo, NC, the home of John/Mary Hancock who had a proven son, Robert. I now believe Robt of Augusta has no connection to Maj John or Wm/Pris and that it was the best assumption available to believe John and Wm [along with several others] were Robert's sons. I also now suspect that the Robert of Augusta is the same Robert found in 1790 EdgefieldCo, SC with a John Hatcher living next door [both living alone] and that it is this Robert who died c1800 in Campbellton, SC [directly across the river from Augusta]. His estate was meager and no family member was involved in the settlement nor was there mention of children. Augusta was a "major city" at that time and would be an obvious destination for those migrating to this area. Many purchased land and remained. It is apparent that Wm's father did not stay but removed to SC. Note also that Wm arrived in 1764 but Robt did not apply for land until 3 years later. It could be a mistake for us to assume that while in GA that Tom would necessarily purchase land. The leasing of land was as much an option as purchasing. If this was the case, this would be one explanation why no records have been found for Tom's presence in GA. We do know he purchased land in 1770 on Peters creek, SC and may have been there somewhat earlier. We have oodles of military recs on the GA Hatcher boys with all of them believed to be sons of Robert. But these recs hi-lite some major differences. While "battle" recs on Maj John are non-existent, it is obvious he was career military. Wm also spent 2-3 years, beginning in 1778, as a soldier and it should be noted he joined in SC, not GA. [See his recs online]. He continued in the military in ElbertCo, GA, and [by memory] attained the rank of Captain. It should also be noted that Tom/Wilm was a Captain in 1778 SC. Another strong military connection. On the other hand, the rest of the sons of Robert are only shown as short term [2-3 mos] volunteers in the GA Militia in 1780 when the British were attempting to take GA. There is only one rec found that shows Wm in the same company with these other Hatcher boys, but Wm's recs will show he was assigned to many companies and battles, perhaps being sent to wherever troops were needed. This one interaction would not constiture proof of a close family connection. In 1820 we can place Wm/Pris in WilkinsonCo, GA, the home of Maj John. By 1830 he has moved on to MeriwetherCo, GA. We can put him in the same box with Maj John but never with the Hatchers of the Augusta [RichmondCo] area. Now for those still reading this tome....I have yet to find a record to disprove this theory [or even raise a serious niggly] but one woman's assessment does not make for proof. I would appreciate any of you who are familiar with this family or any who can ask the relevant questions to make every effort to tear this apart. I am solidly conviced this is right. I need you to unconvince me...before I start rearranging the file :-) But this does not end with just John and Wm. Once you start ripping sons from a father's breast and giving them new daddies, you open up new worm cans. Sons may need to be replaced. Other Hatchers whose connections are less convincing may become more obvious and more rearrangements may occur. This could and probably will become a major project with many possible twists and turns..........so I will be grateful for any input along the way. Have at it!!! Oh - one final point. If Maj John and Wm were connected to Robert's family, they would be descendants of Ben/Liz. Yet their DNA tests match descendants of Edward. Tom/Wilm were Ed descendants. 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