on findagrave: I have noticed in the short time that I have been filling photo requests for findagrave that many of the requests are for people that the cemetery has no record for. It's an imperfect system and many of these contributions that can't be located are based on heresay. also regarding the copyright issues: Most of the photos have a link below the photo to the contributor. In this instance, It would not be impolite to leave a message for that person (you are also given the option to send a private email) asking to use the photo for the hatcherassn website. I don't imagine that many would have a problem with it if asked. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:00 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I have an idea.....! (nelhatch) > 2. findagrave ([email protected]) > 3. Wisconsin Hatchers on findagrave ([email protected]) > 4. Re: findagrave -Wisconsin (nelhatch) > 5. Re: I have an idea.....! ([email protected]) > 6. Re: I have an idea.....! ([email protected]) > 7. Question about findagrave photos ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:04:58 -0600 > From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] I have an idea.....! > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Sharon, > > Michigan is yours! Go fer it! > > Nel > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:12:43 -0500 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [HATCHER] findagrave > To: "HatcherList" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > sent this from the wrong email address, so will try again. /Darleen > > > > Nel, > > I'll do Hatcher's on findagrave in the state of Wisconsin. I'm already > registered. I have over 5,000 uploaded. > > FYI, when you request a photo, the volunteers for that zip code get an > email. I automatically get requests for cemeteries in zip codes within a > 15-10 mile radius. I know there are other volunteers getting the same > notice. If I know we are going one direction, I look at other zip > codes/cemeteries and plan our route to fulfill as many as possible. > > The volunteer can "claim" it or not. If "claimed" it must be done in 7 > days. > > When the volunteer has the photo, they upload it under the "fulfill" > category and when uploaded it sends the person who requested the photo an > email saying their request has been done (fulfilled). All through the > system. > > Darleen Chipman > > PS - You didn't say what you were going to do with the picture you > requested of us. I would have picked one where my hair was at least > organized! From both of us, thanks for the honor. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:21:00 -0500 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [HATCHER] Wisconsin Hatchers on findagrave > To: "HatcherList" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nel, > > Your wish is my command! > > There are only 4 HATCHER's in Wisconsin on findagrave. Requested them. > > If you want me to do some other states, just let me know. Remember, the > northern states have to be worked before the snow falls!!!! I had someone > from LA expecting a photo from a cemetery here in January. I wrote I'd get > it as soon I could get through the snow banks! > > Were you asking us to find names on the Hatcher website who are known to be > buried in Wisconsin, upload them to findagrave, and then request a photo -- > were you? That's another kettle of fish but can be done. > > Darleen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:54:04 -0600 > From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] findagrave -Wisconsin > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Darleen, > > First - Robert E Hatcher. Yes, would like to have the tombstone pic, too. > > Then - I'm more and more impressed with how findagrave operates on getting > these pics. I have more confidence in the data when I know someone, often > unrelated, took that pic. > > In the recent past I've not been overly happy with many of the Hatcher > entries that do NOT have a tombstone pic, It appears that many people are > adding names and dates of people they may only "believe" were buried there. > There are wrong names and dates being listed, additional info added that in > some cases I have proof is wrong, etc, etc. It tends to look as if people > are just adding unproven data from their family file. > > And Wisconsin is already done!! Thank you :-) > > I suspect many of the northern states will not have all that many Hatchers > per state. > > "Were you asking us to find names on the Hatcher website who are known to > be buried in Wisconsin, upload them to findagrave, and then request a photo > -- were you?" > > NO! In fact, I had not thought of that angle. That would, yes, be a > trickier can of worms :-) > > But if you're looking for more fun, you could start with Maine and work > down thru the NE states. My suspicion is that it may be only NY and NJ where > you'll find any Hatchers.....but we could still check them off the states > list as DONE. > > Now I happen to think the pic you sent was lovely!! I could've worked with > one of the reunion pics where ya' both looked like ya' lost your comb :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:02:36 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] I have an idea.....! > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Nel, > > I will take Washington state if you don't already have someone doing it! > > Martha Hatcher Welling > > In a message dated 10/21/2009 5:33:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Once in a while I have a brainstorm but this one will require a whole lot > of volunteers........that means YOU :-) > > On Findagrave at www.findagrave.com it is possible to request a pic of a > particular tombstone. I did it just now to see how the procedure works - > easy! > > This is what you would need to do....... > > 1) Volunteer for a state and I will keep track of them. > 2) Go to findagrave and search for hatcher in that state. > 3) if a Hatcher does NOT have the tombstone icon, click on his/her name to > bring up his/her page. > 4) At the bottom right of that page, you will see the Request a Photo > icon. > 5) Click it and if you're not already registered, you must register. > 6) Otherwise, enter your email addy and password. > 7) If someone has already requested a photo, you need do nothing. > 8) If not, all you need to do is click Submit > 9) Continue this process untill all Hatchers with no pic have had a > request made. > > If/when someone sends you the pic or a notification that it is now on > findagrave, just let me know and we'll get it online. > > Any takers?? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:33:08 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] I have an idea.....! > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Washington state is finished and I even requested a photo for my own dad's > marker! > > Martha Hatcher Welling > > In a message dated 10/21/2009 5:33:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Once in a while I have a brainstorm but this one will require a whole lot > of volunteers........that means YOU :-) > > On Findagrave at www.findagrave.com it is possible to request a pic of a > particular tombstone. I did it just now to see how the procedure works - > easy! > > This is what you would need to do....... > > 1) Volunteer for a state and I will keep track of them. > 2) Go to findagrave and search for hatcher in that state. > 3) if a Hatcher does NOT have the tombstone icon, click on his/her name to > bring up his/her page. > 4) At the bottom right of that page, you will see the Request a Photo > icon. > 5) Click it and if you're not already registered, you must register. > 6) Otherwise, enter your email addy and password. > 7) If someone has already requested a photo, you need do nothing. > 8) If not, all you need to do is click Submit > 9) Continue this process untill all Hatchers with no pic have had a > request made. > > If/when someone sends you the pic or a notification that it is now on > findagrave, just let me know and we'll get it online. > > Any takers?? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:43:16 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [HATCHER] Question about findagrave photos > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Nel, > The question/answer below was on find a grave. Does this mean that before > any grave marker photos can be uploaded to the Hatcher site, written > permission to do so must be obtained? > Just wondered....Martha Hatcher Welling > > I found a photo of a relative on Find A Grave, can I use it? > Photos posted to memorials on Find A Grave are copyrighted by the member > who submitted the photos. Lifting the photo to use elsewhere would be a > violation of copyright. You must obtain written permission from the member > to > use any photo for your own use. In general if you did not take the photo > yourself, you do not hold the copyright to the photo. [_Top_ > (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=listFaqs#faqTop) ] > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the HATCHER list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the HATCHER mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of HATCHER Digest, Vol 4, Issue 283 > *************************************** >

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Tim wrote: "I have noticed in the short time that I have been filling photo requests for findagrave that many of the requests are for people that the cemetery has no record for. It's an imperfect system and many of these contributions that can't be located are based on heresay." That has been my suspicion, too. But here's the question. If our guys are requesting pics of someone not found in that cem, do the volunteers notify the requestor of that fact AND notify the submitter to remove that person from findagrave? Or will that false "burial" remain forever? On the subject of asking permission, I'm sure that would work quite well for those requesting a few photos of their relatives but in my situation, it would lead to confusion and extra work. I am currently going thru each state looking for pics we don't have. And I've added dozens so far. If I were to ask permission for every pic that includes a large number of pic takers, I would be receiving permissions scattered over a wide period of time with many of them forgetting to ID the person's page or name. And as permissions come in, I must then go back in to retrieve the pic. It would end up being a very awkward and more time consuming situation for me. Nel

All burials that you do not find a grave for does not mean that person is not buried there. I have many ancestors that I know for a fact are in unmarked graves. I surely cannot be expected to place markers for all of them. So, I for one will not remove a burial I have listed that does not have a grave marker. Lost graves are important too. I want to know where they went even if they are no longer marked. If someone has a problem with that, it is because they do not know their family history. I come from a long line of poor people who probably did well to have a wooden stake...But, my grandmother knew where they were all buried. I take offense that because you do not find a marker indicates the person is not buried there. I have been going through the Georgia Death Certs on line and most of those tell you where the person was buried. I am trying to account for them too. Although, they are not listed in cemetery books or a grave is found. I have a cousin who is buried in what is now an unmarked grave next to her grandparents, out in a country cemetery. I saw this grave when I was little, it was a tiny little slab of concrete. Many years later it is no longer visible and there is a sunken spot there. However, her parents bought a lot in town and had a memorial for her placed in their lot. There are a multitude of reasons that can apply in this situation. I placed her in the proper cemetery on FAG, however, the Thomas Co., cemetery book shows she is buried in town when she was not. All because there IS a marker in one and not in the other. My Grandfather's 1st wife died in 1900. They were share croppers and I am sure the reason she cannot be located in Bradford Co., Fl. is that she had no marker. FAG should have a place to list people who are buried in unknown cemeteries. I think each county should have one, however, they removed the 2 Unknown Cemetery entries I tried to make. I am sorry if I am stepping on toes here, but, I don't want any of my family forgotten, marked or unmarked. That is very important to me. You will find that I often say this is a memorial because NO ONE knows where this person is buried. Winnette --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091022-0, 10/22/2009 Tested on: 10/23/2009 9:10:54 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com