Nel, Rushsylvania cemetery, Rushcreek Twp., Logan county, Ohio, Section 2: HATCHER, Daniel d. Jan. 4, 1884, 57y 11m ? , William H. died May 2, 1851, 2y 9m 18d, son of U ? & M.A. (stone broken in half) DOBIE, infant daughter d. Oct. 21, 1855, daughter of I.M.? & S.A? HATCHER, Christinia d. Jan. 31, 1854, 1y 2m 15d, daughter of A.T. & E.J. [Abel Thomas & Elizabeth J.] DOBIE, Elwood d. Nov. 15 1853, 1y 5m 1d, son of G.W. & S.A. HATCHER, John E. d. Dec.24,1853 1y 7d, son of D[aniel] & Jane [BUTLER] HATCHER, Harry M. or H? d.June 21, 1876, 2y 8m, son of A.T. [Abel Thomas] & E. [Elizabeth J.]. Above all in a columb in "Bokes Creek and Rushsylvania, Logan County Ohio Cemetery Book" I did mean 1838, but she still would have conceived almost on her 14th birthday! Elizabeth (EICHELBARGER) HATCHER died more than 40 years before her husband, Abel Thomas. Paul > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Paul, > > I think you made a typo here........ > > "Elizabeth Jane could not have been born in 1833, or she would have been only 14 years old when her daughter was born." > > I think you meant "born in 1838" since her dau was born Nov 1852. But I would disagree with the premise that 14 was too young. Phoebe was born Feb 1838 and if she were the mother of Christina, she would have been almost 15 at her birth. Keeping in mind that Phoebe was an orphan before 1850, I think it's entirely possible that permission may have been given for her to marry at age 14. It's not at all common but I've seen proof of a few of these "younger than normal" marriages. > > I agree with your details on Phoebe's death but not where she died. She died in CrawfordCo, OH. Here is that DC from FamilySearch.org. > > Name : Elizabeth Hatcher > Death date : 02 Nov 1929 > Death place : Crestline, Crawford, Ohio > Birth date : 21 Feb 1838 > Estimated birth year : > Birth place : Belfontaine, , Ohio > Age at death : 91 years 8 months 11 days > Gender : Female > Marital status : Widowed > Race or color : Caucasian > Street address : 336 N. Columbus > Occupation : Housewife > Residence : > Burial date : 04 Nov 1929 > Burial place : Rushsylvania, , Ohio > Cemetery name : > Spouse name : Abel T. Hatcher > Father name : John B. Patrick > Father titles : > Father birth place : , , Ireland > Mother name : Malinda Sutherland > Mother titles : > Mother birth place : , , Ohio > GSU film number : 1992019 > Digital GS number : 4022360 > Image number : 2760 > Certificate number : fn 68975 > Collection : Ohio Deaths 1908-1953 > > > Note that she uses Elizabeth equally with Phoebe: 2 Phebes in censi, 2 Elizabeths in censi, Elizabeth on her DC and apparently her tombstone. > > And if you're sure that Phoebe Elizabeth is on the same tombstone with Abel, then WHERE THE HECK is Elizabeth Eichelbarger??? Should she not be buried right next to Abel? Where is Christina buried? Should she not be buried next to her mother? > > So I'm still not seeing any evidence for the existence of Eichelbarger. And I'm wondering if it was assumed that Abel must have had a 1st wife because Phoebe was "too young." If that was the case, I'm still not seeing how Eichelbarger happened to be chosen. > > At this point, I really believe he had only 1 wife - Phoebe - unless someone has more clues to toss out. > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Paul, I'm going to ask for the pics of both Christina and Harry and hope they're still legible. But I'm still confused not seeing Abel and Elizabeth and/or Phoebe listed here. I don't understand why they wouldn't be close to their own children or at least in the same section. Since it's winter in OH, don't know how active the volunteers will be so this could be a long wait....... And, yup! IF Phoebe was his only wife, she would have been just 14 when she conceived. If so, it's also possible it was a shotgun wedding. Thank you! We're making progress but I'm still not 100% convinced :-) Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld One more question! How is it known that Elizabeth was an Eichelberger and not a Jones or Smith? There were no Eichelbergers in Logan in 1840. There was one family in 1850 - Henry and Priscilla, age 26, with kids Adam 10, George 8, Wm 6, Priscilla 3. No Elizabeth. In 1860 this family was gone. Anyone got more on the Eichelbergers? Nel

Nel, The EICHELBERGER's were from Champaign county, Ohio, which borders Logan county on the south. Isaac and James's HATCHER's property was originally in Salem Twp., Champaign county, where their deed is recorded, but when Logan county was created from Champaign county, their property straddled the two county lines. Most of their early descendants lived in Logan county, but the two county courthouses are only about 30 miles apart. Abel Thomas 'Abe' HATCHER, was born in Mt. Tabor, Salem Twp., Champaign county, Ohio. There are Jane and Joan EICHELBERGER's in Champaign county, but I am no longer a member of Ancestry.com. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] To our Quaker Hatchers.......... > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > One more question! How is it known that Elizabeth was an Eichelberger and > not a Jones or Smith? > > There were no Eichelbergers in Logan in 1840. There was one family in > 1850 - Henry and Priscilla, age 26, with kids Adam 10, George 8, Wm 6, > Priscilla 3. No Elizabeth. In 1860 this family was gone. > > Anyone got more on the Eichelbergers? > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Paul, You get up too early!! :-) So....I've been diggin in the censi and I'm NOT having any luck at all with ChampaignCo and the Eichelbergers. On soundex Eichelberger in Champaign None in 1830, 1840, 1850 On eic* in all of OH No name even close in 1830 - eickemeyer was closest In 1840 we have... ...George, John and Henry Eichelbarger in MontgomeryCo ...John and 2 Daniel Eickleberger in MontgomeryCo ...Jacob Eichelberg in MuskingumCo ...Adam and Charles Eichelberger in WayneCo ...Charles Eichelberger in ButlerCo ...Henry Eichelberger in Hamilton and FairfieldCo ...Christian EICHER in CHAMPAIGNCo, 1 dau bn 1835-40 ...David and Daniel EICKER in LOGANCo, 1 dau bn 1835-40 On eic* in 1850 ChampaignCo 1 Eichholtz family in Salem Twp, dau Elizabeth bn 1850 1 Eicker family, no Eliz or Jane On eic* in 1850 LoganCo 1 Eichelberger family, no Eliz or Jane 1 Eicher family, no Eliz or Jane On Eliz*, Jan* and Joa* bn 1829-1839 in 1850 Champaign and LoganCo. No one even close. Soooo.........regroup, rethink.....not sure where to go from here.........! Nel