HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld I've updated Abel's page [and others affected] to reflect Shirley's input to date. This also leaves no doubt in my mind that Jane Eichelberger was the dau of Casper E/Mary Hatcher. Jane was bn c1834 so not 14 yrs old, but 18, at birth of 1st kid. I also believe Casper Louis had to be Jane's kid and that she died in childbirth. The only problem here is that the date of her death and his birth date are a tad "off." But I also can't prove Casper's real date. I also know that the months Jan and Jun can often be a problem for transcribers. While I have not a bit of proof, I really do think that dau, Lydia, was the mother of Harry M and Fred Marshall Hatcher, supposedly "sons" of Abel and Phoebe and that Lydia died before 1880. Just for giggles, I checked the Logan census and found a Wm Marshall of the right age as a prisoner in the LoganCo Sheriff's jail. Nel