HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood I just rec'd a CD with 30 images and a 1/2 inch stack of records containing original deeds, wills and a couple dozen old (1800s) obits from Vanessa - thank you so much!! But the very first deed I transcribed confirmed my suspicions. I have often wondered, even tho we have dozens of full text documents from our earliest time periods online, how many we might be missing. Below is an example of the type of information that's scattered thruout our early Hatchers...... "Henry Hatcher sells to Daniel Price the land given him by his father-in-law, Thomas Williamson." No acreage, no description, no nada....so how do we really know the accuracy of the above somewhat meaningless tidbit? Now we know that Henry sold 100A located between Edward Watkins and Daniel Price on Chickahominy Swamp/River. We have the witnesses AND we have Susanna, his wife, releasing dower. That's a whole lot more information than our little tidbit. I think I"m gonna' be staying out of trouble for a very long time with all of this :-) Nel

I'm glad you find them helpful, Nel. Thanks for letting me know the package arrived safely. The index was very faint and hard to read. I hope I didn't miss a Hatcher. Vanessa Crews On May 2, 2008, at 8:56 PM, nelhatch wrote: > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/ > HDNAtest.htm > "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D > Greenwood > > I just rec'd a CD with 30 images and a 1/2 inch stack of records > containing original deeds, wills and a couple dozen old (1800s) > obits from Vanessa - thank you so much!! > > But the very first deed I transcribed confirmed my suspicions. I > have often wondered, even tho we have dozens of full text documents > from our earliest time periods online, how many we might be missing. > > Below is an example of the type of information that's scattered > thruout our early Hatchers...... > > "Henry Hatcher sells to Daniel Price the land given him by his > father-in-law, Thomas Williamson." > > No acreage, no description, no nada....so how do we really know the > accuracy of the above somewhat meaningless tidbit? > > Now we know that Henry sold 100A located between Edward Watkins and > Daniel Price on Chickahominy Swamp/River. We have the witnesses AND > we have Susanna, his wife, releasing dower. That's a whole lot more > information than our little tidbit. > > I think I"m gonna' be staying out of trouble for a very long time > with all of this :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I certainly did learn something today and how interesting......... Thank you so much for sharing Janet (one of the lurkers)

Nel, How are you doing? I hope your eyes are continuing to improve. Tell me, is it true that you all are getting snow out your way?? I heard something on the news this morning that ND may get 4--6 inches of snow. We are concerned about the weather front heading our way that came through OK and Missouri last night. It was horrible. Take care of yourself and hope all is going well with you. Wayne Hatcher South Central Ky

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Wayne, Yes, the rumors are true. We in Hill City (central hills) got 2 inches yesterday while Spearfish/Deadwood (northern hills) got a foot with 1500 homes losing electricity. That was yesterday. Our yesterday's snow melted but today we have 4 more inches. No clue yet how much more the northern hills are getting. But we also just heard a bulletin out of Rapid City that driving is not allowed unless you have 4-WD or chains. They're catching 40-50 MPH blizzard winds. I-90 is closed from Wall, SD to Sheridan, WY and that, cuzins, is several hundreds of miles. I checked Weatherbug map and it looks like the worst of the OK/MO system is just now hitting western KY. But I'm happy to report the Rock City Restaurant (for you reunion attendees :-) is doing a booming business and the juncoes are on a feeding frenzy. The eyes are doing what they're expected to do but won't be 100% until I get my new prescription in 2-3 weeks. Hang in there, Wayne, and hope this passes you by as just a routine spring thunderstorm. Nel

Thanks, Phillip ----- Original Message ----- From: "GNW" <gnw@rose.net> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Land in Benton Co. Ala > Phillip, I checked on this site and did not find any Hatchers for > Benton/Calhoun Co., Al. Winnette > > http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To All on the List, 2 or 3 years ago, someone on this list sent me an email and we chatted back and forth about the Ingram's of Fannin County, Texas. Would that person please contact me off list? Thank you, Dean Taylor delytata@sbcglobal.net

This tale has been around for a while. If you read the explanation on snopes (http://www.snopes.com/history/american/hanson.asp) you'll see why this isn't true... Suzy ----- Original Message ----- From: William W. Hatcher Sr. To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Cc: 'June Ham' ; 'Rick Boswell' Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: [HATCHER] History Lesson for the Day.... Bet you did not know this.... And all these years, I thought George Washington was the first president!! Isn't history amazing!!! The first president? EIGHT MISSING Presidents http://www.standingstones.com/8pres.html I'm sure that George Washington was your best guess. After all, no one else comes to mind. But think back to your history books - The United States Declared its independence in 1776, yet Washington did not take office until April 30, 1789. So who was running the country during these initial years of this young country? It was the first eight U. S Presidents. In fact, the first President of the United States was one John Hanson. I can hear you now - John who? John Hanson, the first President of the Unite States. Don't go checking the encyclopedia for this guy's name - he is one of those great men that are lost to history. If you're extremely lucky, you may actually find a brief mention of his name. The new country was actually formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. This document was actually proposed on June 11, 1776, but not agreed upon by Congress until November 15, 1777. Maryland refused to sign this document until Virginia and New York ceded their western lands (Maryland was afraid that these states would gain too much power in the new government from such large amounts of land). Once the signing took place in 1781, a President was needed to run the country. John Hanson was chosen unanimously by Congress (which included George Washington). In fact, all the other potential candidates refused to run against him, as he was a major player in the revolution and an extremely influential member of Congress. As the first President, Hanson had quite the shoes to fill. No one had ever been President and the role was poorly defined. His actions in office would set precedent for all future Presidents. He took office just as the Revolutionary War ended. Almost immediately, the troops demanded to be paid. As would be expected after any long war, there were no funds to meet the salaries. As a result, the soldiers threatened to overthrow the new government and put Washington on the throne as a monarch. All the members of Congress ran for their lives, leaving Hanson as the only guy left running the government. He somehow managed to calm the troops down and hold the country together. If he had failed, the government would have fallen almost immediately and everyone would have been bowing to King Washington. Hanson, as President, ordered all foreign troops off American soil, as well as the removal of all foreign flags. This was quite the feat, considering the fact that so many European countries had a stake in the United States since the days following Columbus. Hanson established the Great Seal of the United States, which all Presidents have since been required to use on all official documents. President Hanson also established the first Treasury Department, the first Secretary of War, and the first Foreign Affairs Department. Lastly, he declared that the fourth Thursday of every November was to be Thanksgiving Day, which is still true today. The Articles of Confederation only allowed a President to serve a one year term during any three year period, so Hanson actually accomplished quite a bit in such little time. Seven other presidents were elected after him - 1. Elias Boudinot (1782-83), 2. Thomas Mifflin (1783-84), 3. Richard Henry Lee (1784-85), 4. John Hancock (1785-86), 5. Nathan Gorman (1786-87), 6. Arthur St. Clair (1787-88), and 7. Cyrus Griffin (1788-89) - ....all prior to Washington taking office. So what happened? Why don't we hear about the first eight presidents? It's quite simple -- The Articles of Confederation didn't work well. The individual states had too much power and nothing could be agreed upon. A new doctrine needed to be written - something we know as the Constitution. And that leads us to the end of our story. George Washington was definitely not the first President of the United States. He was the first President of the United States under the Constitution we follow today. And the first eight Presidents are forgotten in history. YOU HAVE TO BE A LOVER OF HISTORY TO APPRECIATE THIS!! (It took 8 years to establish a successful government. You might just remember this when you hear that so little progress has been made during these last 3 years in establishing a Government in Iraq.) There you are, another lesson in U.S. History and you may have learned something new today. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: 4/30/2008 6:10 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bet you did not know this....   And all these years, I thought George Washington was the first president!! Isn't history amazing!!!    The first president?      EIGHT MISSING Presidents   http://www.standingstones.com/8pres.html   I'm sure that George Washington was your best guess. After all, no one else comes to mind. But think back to your history books - The United States Declared its independence in 1776, yet Washington did not take office until April 30, 1789. So who was running the country during these initial years of this young country? It was the first eight U. S Presidents.   In fact, the first President of the United States was one John Hanson. I can hear you now - John who? John Hanson, the first President of the Unite States. Don't go checking the encyclopedia for this guy's name - he is one of those great men that are lost to history. If you're extremely lucky, you may actually find a brief mention of his name.   The new country was actually formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. This document was actually proposed on June 11, 1776, but not agreed upon by Congress until November 15, 1777. Maryland refused to sign this document until Virginia and New York ceded their western lands (Maryland was afraid that these states would gain too much power in the new government from such large amounts of land). Once the signing took place in 1781, a President was needed to run the country.   John Hanson was chosen unanimously by Congress (which included George Washington). In fact, all the other potential candidates refused to run against him, as he was a major player in the revolution and an extremely influential member of Congress.   As the first President, Hanson had quite the shoes to fill. No one had ever been President and the role was poorly defined. His actions in office would set precedent for all future Presidents.   He took office just as the Revolutionary War ended. Almost immediately, the troops demanded to be paid. As would be expected after any long war, there were no funds to meet the salaries. As a result, the soldiers threatened to overthrow the new government and put Washington on the throne as a monarch.   All the members of Congress ran for their lives, leaving Hanson as the only guy left running the government. He somehow managed to calm the troops down and hold the country together. If he had failed, the government would have fallen almost immediately and everyone would have been bowing to King Washington.   Hanson, as President, ordered all foreign troops off American soil, as well as the removal of all foreign flags. This was quite the feat, considering the fact that so many European countries had a stake in the United States since the days following Columbus. Hanson established the Great Seal of the United States, which all Presidents have since been required to use on all official documents. President Hanson also established the first Treasury Department, the first Secretary of War, and the first Foreign Affairs Department.   Lastly, he declared that the fourth Thursday of every November was to be Thanksgiving Day, which is still true today. The Articles of Confederation only allowed a President to serve a one year term during any three year period, so Hanson actually accomplished quite a bit in such little time.   Seven other presidents were elected after him –   1. Elias Boudinot (1782-83),   2. Thomas Mifflin (1783-84),   3. Richard Henry Lee (1784-85),   4. John Hancock (1785-86),   5. Nathan Gorman (1786-87),   6. Arthur St. Clair (1787-88), and   7. Cyrus Griffin (1788-89) –   ....all prior to Washington taking office.   So what happened?   Why don't we hear about the first eight presidents? It's quite simple -- The Articles of Confederation didn't work well. The individual states had too much power and nothing could be agreed upon. A new doctrine needed to be written - something we know as the Constitution.   And that leads us to the end of our story. George Washington was definitely not the first President of the United States. He was the first President of the United States under the Constitution we follow today. And the first eight Presidents are forgotten in history.   YOU HAVE TO BE A LOVER OF HISTORY TO APPRECIATE THIS!! (It took 8 years to establish a successful government. You might just remember this when you hear that so little progress has been made during these last 3 years in establishing a Government in Iraq.)   There you are, another lesson in U.S. History and you may have learned something new today. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: 4/30/2008 6:10 PM

LOL, good one Winnette! Chuck, I agree with the politicians needing a spine. Most of them only have a pocket book where a spine should be. Except the Hatcher politicians naturally. Winnette --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DorisPetty87 Surnames: Hatcher - Finnell - Mitchem - Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.hatcher/1853/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sandra Jane Hatcher Published: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 07:34 AM ROANOKE, Va. - Momma had her homegoing: Jesus sent his angels to escort her into heaven on Jan. 27, 2008, at the age of 66. She was born Jan. 25, 1942. Sandra only lived here for six years. She is from Roanoke, Va. Mom left behind her husband of 45 years, Roy Mason Hatcher; her twin daughters, Tara (Bobby) Finnell and Kara (David Mitchem) Hatcher; and two grandbabies whom her life evolved around, Albany Nicole Finnell, age 6 1/2, and Mason Garrett Finnell, age 4 1/2. Mom had cancer and fought it for 10 months. Hospice of Knox County made the end of mom's life more bearable for her and her entire family. We cannot thank hospice enough for their support, especially Beth Sheffer, Debra Riley, Kathy Wantland and Denise Komitaw. Make memorial contributions to Hospice of Knox County in lieu of flowers. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DorisPetty87 Surnames: Hatcher - Mims - Bentley - Vinzant - Floyd - Merkel - Wesson - Smith - Howard - Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.hatcher/1852/mb.ashx Message Board Post: LARUE HATCHER SYLACAUGA - Funeral service for Larue Hatcher, 93, will be Wednesday, Jan. 30, at noon at Radney-Smith Chapel with Rev. Bill Gwathney officiating. Interment will be in Evergreen Cemetery. Mrs. Hatcher died Monday, Jan. 28, 2008 at Coosa Valley Medical Center. She was a member of Mount Vernon Baptist Church. She was preceded in death by two husbands, Guy Hatcher and Howard Hatcher; two sisters, Lorene Mims and Frankie Bentley; two brothers, Swen Vinzant and Jiggs Vinzant. She is survived by grandsons, Rickey Floyd and wife Robin of Sylacauga and Kenneth Floyd; granddaughter, Debbie Merkel and husband Charles of Sylacauga; great-grandchildren, Jamie Wesson and husband Chuck, Rowdy Smith and Brandon Howard, all of Sylacauga; great-great-grandchildren, Brandt Howard, Payton Wesson, Gage Smith and Savannah Smith; brother-in-law, Charlie Mims of Sylacauga; many nieces and nephews. Visitation will be Wednesday from 10 a.m. to 12 p.m. Memorial messages may be sent to the family at www.radneysmith.com. The family will accept flowers or contributions to Mount Vernon Baptist Church, 75 Odena Heights Circle, Sylacauga, AL 35150. Pallbearers will be Rickey Floyd, Brandon Howard, Rowdy Smith, Chuck Wesson, Charles Merkel and Terry Howard. Honorary pallbearer will be Jackie Smith. Radney-Smith Funeral Home will direct the service. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DorisPetty87 Surnames: Hatcher - Magnus - Vaughn - Myers - Green - Bridges - Ferguson - Minnie - Turner Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.hatcher/1851/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Velda Carrie Hatcher Velda Carrie Hatcher, 78, of Arkansas City, died Thursday, March 20, 2008, at the Presbyterian Manor Health Care Unit in Arkansas City. Funeral services are scheduled for 10:30 a.m. Saturday, March 22, 2008, at the Rindt-Erdman Funeral Homey. Pastor Robert Ferris will officiate. Interment will follow in the Maple City Cemetery. Velda was born June 24, 1929, in Arkansas City, to Earl W. Magnus and Bertha Carrie (Vaughn) Magnus. She attended Cedar Vale schools. On Dec. 20, 1945, she married Clyde H. Hatcher in Sedan and the couple made their home in Cedar Vale. In 1953, the couple moved to Arkansas City, where the couple has made their home since. Velda worked 30 years for Southwestern Bell Telephone retiring as the chief operator. She was a member of the Spencer Ralston Post No. 1254 V.F.W. Ladies Auxiliary, the American Legion Post No. 18 Ladies Auxiliary, Order of the Eastern Star, past member of the Arkansas City Garden Club and was a volunteer at the Kansas Veterans Home ! in Winfield. Survivors include her husband, Clyde Hatcher of the home; two daughters, Irene Myers and husband, Dwight, of Wellington, Barbara Green, of Arkansas City; four granddaughters, Torri Bridges, of Wichita, Renee Ferguson, of Wellington, Angela Minnie, of Topeka, and Melissa Turner, of Pueblo, Colo.; and nine great-grandchildren. She was preceded in death by her parents and three brothers, Eugene Magnus, Ernest Magnus and Gerald Magnus. A memorial has been established with the Kansas Veterans Home. Contributions may be made through the funeral home. Arrangements are under the direction of the Rindt-Erdman Funeral Home of Arkansas City. Online condolences may be made at www.rindt-erdman.com. ADV. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DorisPetty87 Surnames: Hatcher - Johnson - Miniard - Williamson - Pearl - Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.hatcher/1850/mb.ashx Message Board Post: DR. CHARLES HATCHER Dr. Charles E. Hatcher, 80, of Harrodsburg, died Friday, April 25, 2008 at the Ephraim McDowell Regional Medical Center in Danville. Born Feb. 27, 1928 in Hickory Point, TN, he was the son of the late William Dayton and Zelma Lou Johnson Hatcher and was the husband of Clarice Miniard Hatcher. He was a retired Optometrist after 52 years, a member of the Harrodsburg Baptist Church where he served as a deacon, director of the young married department, the Baptist Foundation, an Army Veteran, life member of the Lions Club, and received the Melvin Jones Award, Harrodsburg School Board Member for twelve years, served on Health Department Advisory Board, board of director's of the Farmer's National Bank, a Kentucky Colonel, life member of American Legion, Past President of the Industrial Board, the U. K. Alumni Association and the American Optometric Society. In addition to his wife, survivors include: two daughters, Jean (James) Williamson of Georgetown and Claire (Ron) Pearl of Lexington; two brothers, William D. (Thelma) Hatcher Jr. of Nicholasville and Maurice (Wylene) Hatcher of Jefferson City, TN; four grandchildren and four great grandchildren. He was preceded in death by a brother, John L. Hatcher. The funeral was held Monday, April 28, at the Harrodsburg Baptist Church with Dr. Robert DeFoor and Dr. Dan Frances officiating. Burial was in the Spring Hill Cemetery. Pallbearers were Dennis Ballard, Louis Kerrick, Bill Barnett, Jared Baker, Lonnie Campbell, John Trisler, John Harlow, Allen Whitenack, David Baker and Mike Matherly. Honorary Bearers were Gene Lawson, Robert Thompson, C.L. Riley, Kenneth Kirkland, Jr. Anness, Polie Stratton, Darrell Agee, Allen Garner, Dr. Bacon Moore, Dr. Constance Huff, Janet Reed, Eileen Lester, Harrodsburg Baptist Deacons, Lions Club Members and the Glad Hand Sunday School Class. Expressions of sympathy may be sent to the family at www.ransdellfuneralchapel.com. (HH Thu May 1, 2008) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Phillip, I checked on this site and did not find any Hatchers for Benton/Calhoun Co., Al. Winnette http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch

Phillip, The website is accessed: www.glorecords.blm.gov/ In dark green is: Search Land Patents I just did a basic searh for AL and last name HATCHER and came up with about 75. None for Benton County but for Sue's Dallas County there were a bunch. You might want to check out the possible location of the land office (which is listed) and think along the changing county lines. A more indepth search can be done and it will show all the numbers needed. You can now view the images online and even download them. If you want a certified copy, you can put it in your "shopping cart". I did my SPIEGELBERG for Wisconsin and came up with the four (4). Only the certificates are shown. The statements I had indicated showing what improvements Henry made are not viewable. All the instructions for securing the whole file are on the website. An E-mail address to order the Form 84 is there but I didn't see the current costs. Good luck, Darleen Chipman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Lawson" <plawson@wingnet.net> To: <johnchipman@sbcglobal.net>; <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Land patents in 1830s Alabama and new Alabama website > Hi, > Do you have a list of who got land in Benton Co. Ala. Phillip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <johnchipman@sbcglobal.net> > To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Land patents in 1830s Alabama and new Alabama > website > > >> Sue and Hatcher-List members, >> >> John referred Sue's inquiry to me so I went digging in my collection of >> research material. I have requested land patents (4) from the Nat'l >> Archvies on my ancestors who secured land in 1850's. >> >> Locally, at our county land office, I could get copies of the land sales >> just like any other purchases. What you get from the Archives is a >> little >> more interesting. e.g. The copy of the receipt for cash of $30 >> representing 40 acres at $.75 per acre. "AFFIDAVIT FOR LAND ENTERED FOR >> THE USE OF AN ADJOINING FARM" -- The provision under which the land was >> obtained, in this example, was "An act to graduate and reduce the price >> of >> the public lands to actual settlers and cultivators," approved August 4, >> 1854. It states what improvements Henry made to the land adjoining. >> >> Henry's first patent was April 4 1859 under the same provisions but >> handwritten statements show "that he is at this time in the occupancy of >> said adjoining farm and has been residing theron since the 10th day of >> December 1856; that he has a log House on said adjoining farm 18 by 24 > feet >> square, one story high, Rush roof, two rooms, two doors, one window, & >> furnished with a Stove, & has 13 acres cleared & fenced, & has raised a > crop >> on six acres of the same......". >> >> Friedrich also got two patents under the "graduation" provisions rather > than >> based on his civil war. He too paid cash. >> >> So, you can see that you might pick up some extra tidbits. >> >> Online, from the BLM website, you can secure necessary information and > Form >> 84, Land Entry records. I completed the Form 84, and sent it via surface >> mail with a check but there is a place for doing it via credit card also. >> It will be faster via credit as they do not have to wait for your >> personal >> check to clear. >> >> When I did them, the cost was $17.75 each. The info for fill-ins for >> Form >> 84 are Name, State, Date of Entry, Section number, township number, Range >> number, Serial patient number, Patent final certificate number, and land >> office. >> >> I also spent an extra $2.00 per patent and got nice certificates -- >> signed >> by Abraham Lincoln or James Buchanan! -- on parchment paper with the >> government raised seal. I did these for my display as part of my 150th >> anniversary (immigration) celebration party in 2004. >> >> I know the charges by the Archives were to go up, but I have not checked >> lately. I do know that I paid $40 for four (4) civil war pension files >> also. Those too were interesting and gave an insite into lives of and >> character of the men. Some of them gave me dates and names that helped. >> >> If you have questions, just let me know. >> >> Darleen Chipman >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: " Sue Dixey" <sodixey@hotmail.com> >> To: <HATCHER@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:08 AM >> Subject: [HATCHER] Land patents in 1830s Alabama and new Alabama website >> >> >> > Hello Hatcher friends, >> > >> > Recently I came across a new website called www.alabamapioneers.com and >> > signed up. From all accounts it appears to be free but they can accept >> > paypal donations if you choose. Anyone tried out this site and have >> > any >> > feedback on it??? Did we have Hatchers in AL when it joined statehood >> > in >> > 1819? My Hatchers were from Virginia and went to Kentucky after that. >> > >> > Secondly, has anyone had experience with contacting the National > Archives >> > for the land patents case file for an ancestor? I have a family member > who >> > was granted 2 land patents in the 1830s in Dallas county, AL. He had 5 >> > more in the later 1830s. He had at least 6 or 7 in total and they are > $40 >> > each. UGH. Seems expensive to me not knowing what I might/could get. >> > He >> > is my brick wall and the land patent is joint with another person whose >> > name is a stranger to me. Will I get anything more than a copy of the > land >> > certificate which I can get for free online. >> > >> > Is there some other cost effective way to get copies of the case files? >> > Anyone have experience with this kind of research? I understand I can >> > go >> > to my local Chicago site of the National Archives, but is it $40 there >> > too? >> > >> > Any direction is appreciated, >> > Sue Dixey >> > Aurora, IL >> > sodixey@hotmail.com >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi, Do you have a list of who got land in Benton Co. Ala. Phillip ----- Original Message ----- From: <johnchipman@sbcglobal.net> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Land patents in 1830s Alabama and new Alabama website > Sue and Hatcher-List members, > > John referred Sue's inquiry to me so I went digging in my collection of > research material. I have requested land patents (4) from the Nat'l > Archvies on my ancestors who secured land in 1850's. > > Locally, at our county land office, I could get copies of the land sales > just like any other purchases. What you get from the Archives is a little > more interesting. e.g. The copy of the receipt for cash of $30 > representing 40 acres at $.75 per acre. "AFFIDAVIT FOR LAND ENTERED FOR > THE USE OF AN ADJOINING FARM" -- The provision under which the land was > obtained, in this example, was "An act to graduate and reduce the price of > the public lands to actual settlers and cultivators," approved August 4, > 1854. It states what improvements Henry made to the land adjoining. > > Henry's first patent was April 4 1859 under the same provisions but > handwritten statements show "that he is at this time in the occupancy of > said adjoining farm and has been residing theron since the 10th day of > December 1856; that he has a log House on said adjoining farm 18 by 24 feet > square, one story high, Rush roof, two rooms, two doors, one window, & > furnished with a Stove, & has 13 acres cleared & fenced, & has raised a crop > on six acres of the same......". > > Friedrich also got two patents under the "graduation" provisions rather than > based on his civil war. He too paid cash. > > So, you can see that you might pick up some extra tidbits. > > Online, from the BLM website, you can secure necessary information and Form > 84, Land Entry records. I completed the Form 84, and sent it via surface > mail with a check but there is a place for doing it via credit card also. > It will be faster via credit as they do not have to wait for your personal > check to clear. > > When I did them, the cost was $17.75 each. The info for fill-ins for Form > 84 are Name, State, Date of Entry, Section number, township number, Range > number, Serial patient number, Patent final certificate number, and land > office. > > I also spent an extra $2.00 per patent and got nice certificates -- signed > by Abraham Lincoln or James Buchanan! -- on parchment paper with the > government raised seal. I did these for my display as part of my 150th > anniversary (immigration) celebration party in 2004. > > I know the charges by the Archives were to go up, but I have not checked > lately. I do know that I paid $40 for four (4) civil war pension files > also. Those too were interesting and gave an insite into lives of and > character of the men. Some of them gave me dates and names that helped. > > If you have questions, just let me know. > > Darleen Chipman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Sue Dixey" <sodixey@hotmail.com> > To: <HATCHER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:08 AM > Subject: [HATCHER] Land patents in 1830s Alabama and new Alabama website > > > > Hello Hatcher friends, > > > > Recently I came across a new website called www.alabamapioneers.com and > > signed up. From all accounts it appears to be free but they can accept > > paypal donations if you choose. Anyone tried out this site and have any > > feedback on it??? Did we have Hatchers in AL when it joined statehood in > > 1819? My Hatchers were from Virginia and went to Kentucky after that. > > > > Secondly, has anyone had experience with contacting the National Archives > > for the land patents case file for an ancestor? I have a family member who > > was granted 2 land patents in the 1830s in Dallas county, AL. He had 5 > > more in the later 1830s. He had at least 6 or 7 in total and they are $40 > > each. UGH. Seems expensive to me not knowing what I might/could get. He > > is my brick wall and the land patent is joint with another person whose > > name is a stranger to me. Will I get anything more than a copy of the land > > certificate which I can get for free online. > > > > Is there some other cost effective way to get copies of the case files? > > Anyone have experience with this kind of research? I understand I can go > > to my local Chicago site of the National Archives, but is it $40 there > > too? > > > > Any direction is appreciated, > > Sue Dixey > > Aurora, IL > > sodixey@hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nel: So glad that all went well and that you are able to be home and on the mend. Helen

Sue and Hatcher-List members, John referred Sue's inquiry to me so I went digging in my collection of research material. I have requested land patents (4) from the Nat'l Archvies on my ancestors who secured land in 1850's. Locally, at our county land office, I could get copies of the land sales just like any other purchases. What you get from the Archives is a little more interesting. e.g. The copy of the receipt for cash of $30 representing 40 acres at $.75 per acre. "AFFIDAVIT FOR LAND ENTERED FOR THE USE OF AN ADJOINING FARM" -- The provision under which the land was obtained, in this example, was "An act to graduate and reduce the price of the public lands to actual settlers and cultivators," approved August 4, 1854. It states what improvements Henry made to the land adjoining. Henry's first patent was April 4 1859 under the same provisions but handwritten statements show "that he is at this time in the occupancy of said adjoining farm and has been residing theron since the 10th day of December 1856; that he has a log House on said adjoining farm 18 by 24 feet square, one story high, Rush roof, two rooms, two doors, one window, & furnished with a Stove, & has 13 acres cleared & fenced, & has raised a crop on six acres of the same......". Friedrich also got two patents under the "graduation" provisions rather than based on his civil war. He too paid cash. So, you can see that you might pick up some extra tidbits. Online, from the BLM website, you can secure necessary information and Form 84, Land Entry records. I completed the Form 84, and sent it via surface mail with a check but there is a place for doing it via credit card also. It will be faster via credit as they do not have to wait for your personal check to clear. When I did them, the cost was $17.75 each. The info for fill-ins for Form 84 are Name, State, Date of Entry, Section number, township number, Range number, Serial patient number, Patent final certificate number, and land office. I also spent an extra $2.00 per patent and got nice certificates -- signed by Abraham Lincoln or James Buchanan! -- on parchment paper with the government raised seal. I did these for my display as part of my 150th anniversary (immigration) celebration party in 2004. I know the charges by the Archives were to go up, but I have not checked lately. I do know that I paid $40 for four (4) civil war pension files also. Those too were interesting and gave an insite into lives of and character of the men. Some of them gave me dates and names that helped. If you have questions, just let me know. Darleen Chipman ----- Original Message ----- From: " Sue Dixey" <sodixey@hotmail.com> To: <HATCHER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: [HATCHER] Land patents in 1830s Alabama and new Alabama website > Hello Hatcher friends, > > Recently I came across a new website called www.alabamapioneers.com and > signed up. From all accounts it appears to be free but they can accept > paypal donations if you choose. Anyone tried out this site and have any > feedback on it??? Did we have Hatchers in AL when it joined statehood in > 1819? My Hatchers were from Virginia and went to Kentucky after that. > > Secondly, has anyone had experience with contacting the National Archives > for the land patents case file for an ancestor? I have a family member who > was granted 2 land patents in the 1830s in Dallas county, AL. He had 5 > more in the later 1830s. He had at least 6 or 7 in total and they are $40 > each. UGH. Seems expensive to me not knowing what I might/could get. He > is my brick wall and the land patent is joint with another person whose > name is a stranger to me. Will I get anything more than a copy of the land > certificate which I can get for free online. > > Is there some other cost effective way to get copies of the case files? > Anyone have experience with this kind of research? I understand I can go > to my local Chicago site of the National Archives, but is it $40 there > too? > > Any direction is appreciated, > Sue Dixey > Aurora, IL > sodixey@hotmail.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nel, Glad all is well. Lydia said to tell you that it was only two weeks for her to adjust and she had both eyes lasered and new lenses inserted. Miracles are at a premium, but they can be had. Hang in there, Dean