The 3-volume Hatcher book is also available on Family Search: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1012299?availability=Family%20History%20Library It can be read online. Donna: William Watson has volunteered to give things an initial look. I have a high speed scanner with a document feeder if it comes to that. The question is what of value exists in that pile, and that is what I leave William to determine. == Bill ________________________________ From: Wilson Hatcher <wghatcher@live.com> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 7:28 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Subject: [HATCHER] Re: Re; hatcher association records I have all three volumes on PDF Hatcher’s In America On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Donna White-Dropkin <donnagwd@gmail.com<mailto:donnagwd@gmail.com>> wrote: We probably need a volunteer or volunteers to digitize, others to catalog and transcribe. Do we have all Nel's documents on line? Donna [SNIP]

William Watson, I am in contact with Sue, and I will either have the records she offered picked up by a family member or I will pay for the shipping to my location. Once I obtain them, I will peruse through them and try and ascertain their content and report. William W. Hatcher ------ Original Message ------ Sent: 8/13/2019 4:30:33 AM Subject: Re: Re; hatcher association records >Wilson asked: > > > Question: why would the Hatcher Family Association pay for or want to >put on there website? This is someone’s research that comes with no >documentation. Many dates and places are missing. Call me curious. > >I didn't suggest that we'd put all the correspondence and research >notes on-line. My thought was that if Sue needed to be rid of the >material she had, that we could probably find someone to take it, and >pay for the postage. Some might provide answers to questions like that >posed recently about the genealogist hired in England year ago. > >I regret that nobody went to South Dakota to retrieve material that Nel >had collected after she had passed. I'm sure that she had books, >images, and notes of her correspondence with researchers, perhaps >better identification of early DNA project participants (ones I suspect >have since died, without us knowing who was who), etc., etc., etc. Ah, >well. That was years ago, with nothing to do about it now. Perhaps >that's what inspires me to find Sue's material a home. > >William > >On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:52 PM William J. Watson <wjw@alumni.rice.edu> >wrote: >>Sue Conley said: >> >>>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) >>>From: Sue Conley <sconley713@embarqmail.com> >>> >>>William, I have correspondence with Emory that goes back to 1990 plus >>>all the Hatcher Family Research Association reports from 1990 to >>>October 2000. I also have the three Hatcher volumes on Henry, Edward >>>& Benjamin plus the volume on Jerry Proudfit & SC Moore. I would be >>>happy to donate these to one of our active, current researchers. The >>>box weighs approximately 30 lbs. & is 16 inches (length) 13 (height) >>>& 10 1/2 width. I live in Tallahassee, FL if someone is driving >>>through & could pick them up or I would be willing to ship if >>>reimbursed for cost. I descend from William Greene Hatcher in central >>>GA. My dad was Albert Sidney Hatcher of Macon, GA. >>>Sue Hatcher Conley >> >>I live out in Oregon, which isn't convenient to Tallahassee. I believe >>that our other site Admin Bill lives in Gerogia, which is somewhat >>more convenient. I expect to visit Gainesville, FL in February for my >>brother's 60th bithday. That's "only" 3 hours away from Tallahassee. >> >>Alternatively, I suspect that the Hatcher Families Association could >>cover shipping to an active researcher. Does anyone wish to volunteer >>to receive these materials? Bill? William? >> >>William Watson >>Portland, Oregon >> --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Wilson asked: > Question: why would the Hatcher Family Association pay for or want to put on there website? This is someone’s research that comes with no documentation. Many dates and places are missing. Call me curious. I didn't suggest that we'd put all the correspondence and research notes on-line. My thought was that if Sue needed to be rid of the material she had, that we could probably find someone to take it, and pay for the postage. Some might provide answers to questions like that posed recently about the genealogist hired in England year ago. I regret that nobody went to South Dakota to retrieve material that Nel had collected after she had passed. I'm sure that she had books, images, and notes of her correspondence with researchers, perhaps better identification of early DNA project participants (ones I suspect have since died, without us knowing who was who), etc., etc., etc. Ah, well. That was years ago, with nothing to do about it now. Perhaps that's what inspires me to find Sue's material a home. William On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:52 PM William J. Watson <wjw@alumni.rice.edu> wrote: > Sue Conley said: > > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) >> From: Sue Conley <sconley713@embarqmail.com> >> >> William, I have correspondence with Emory that goes back to 1990 plus all >> the Hatcher Family Research Association reports from 1990 to October 2000. >> I also have the three Hatcher volumes on Henry, Edward & Benjamin plus the >> volume on Jerry Proudfit & SC Moore. I would be happy to donate these to >> one of our active, current researchers. The box weighs approximately 30 >> lbs. & is 16 inches (length) 13 (height) & 10 1/2 width. I live in >> Tallahassee, FL if someone is driving through & could pick them up or I >> would be willing to ship if reimbursed for cost. I descend from William >> Greene Hatcher in central GA. My dad was Albert Sidney Hatcher of Macon, >> GA. >> Sue Hatcher Conley >> > > I live out in Oregon, which isn't convenient to Tallahassee. I believe > that our other site Admin Bill lives in Gerogia, which is somewhat more > convenient. I expect to visit Gainesville, FL in February for my brother's > 60th bithday. That's "only" 3 hours away from Tallahassee. > > Alternatively, I suspect that the Hatcher Families Association could cover > shipping to an active researcher. Does anyone wish to volunteer to receive > these materials? Bill? William? > > William Watson > Portland, Oregon > >

Ah, Wilson, I think you're right! I didn't read carefully enough. On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 7:44 PM Wilson Hatcher <wghatcher@live.com> wrote: > > William Watson: > > Question ,why would the Hatcher Family Association pay for or want to put > on there website? This is someone’s research that comes with no > documentation. Many dates and places are missing. Call me curious. > > Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen > doreatr@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

William Watson: Question ,why would the Hatcher Family Association pay for or want to put on there website? This is someone’s research that comes with no documentation. Many dates and places are missing. Call me curious. Wilson

I have all three volumes on PDF Hatcher’s In America On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Donna White-Dropkin <donnagwd@gmail.com<mailto:donnagwd@gmail.com>> wrote: We probably need a volunteer or volunteers to digitize, others to catalog and transcribe. Do we have all Nel's documents on line? Donna On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 6:53 PM William J. Watson <wjw@alumni.rice.edu<mailto:wjw@alumni.rice.edu>> wrote: Sue Conley said: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Conley <sconley713@embarqmail.com<mailto:sconley713@embarqmail.com>> William, I have correspondence with Emory that goes back to 1990 plus all the Hatcher Family Research Association reports from 1990 to October 2000. I also have the three Hatcher volumes on Henry, Edward & Benjamin plus the volume on Jerry Proudfit & SC Moore. I would be happy to donate these to one of our active, current researchers. The box weighs approximately 30 lbs. & is 16 inches (length) 13 (height) & 10 1/2 width. I live in Tallahassee, FL if someone is driving through & could pick them up or I would be willing to ship if reimbursed for cost. I descend from William Greene Hatcher in central GA. My dad was Albert Sidney Hatcher of Macon, GA. Sue Hatcher Conley s I live out in Oregon, which isn't convenient to Tallahassee. I believe that our other site Admin Bill lives in Gerogia, which is somewhat more convenient. I expect to visit Gainesville, FL in February for my brother's 60th bithday. That's "only" 3 hours away from Tallahassee. Alternatively, I suspect that the Hatcher Families Association could cover shipping to an active researcher. Does anyone wish to volunteer to receive these materials? Bill? William? William Watson Portland, Oregon _______________________________________________ Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen doreatr@yahoo.com<mailto:doreatr@yahoo.com> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen doreatr@yahoo.com<mailto:doreatr@yahoo.com> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com<http://Ancestry.com> and our loyal RootsWeb community

We probably need a volunteer or volunteers to digitize, others to catalog and transcribe. Do we have all Nel's documents on line? Donna On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 6:53 PM William J. Watson <wjw@alumni.rice.edu> wrote: > Sue Conley said: > > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Sue Conley <sconley713@embarqmail.com> > > > > William, I have correspondence with Emory that goes back to 1990 plus all > > the Hatcher Family Research Association reports from 1990 to October > 2000. > > I also have the three Hatcher volumes on Henry, Edward & Benjamin plus > the > > volume on Jerry Proudfit & SC Moore. I would be happy to donate these to > > one of our active, current researchers. The box weighs approximately 30 > > lbs. & is 16 inches (length) 13 (height) & 10 1/2 width. I live in > > Tallahassee, FL if someone is driving through & could pick them up or I > > would be willing to ship if reimbursed for cost. I descend from William > > Greene Hatcher in central GA. My dad was Albert Sidney Hatcher of Macon, > > GA. > > Sue Hatcher Conley > > > > I live out in Oregon, which isn't convenient to Tallahassee. I believe that > our other site Admin Bill lives in Gerogia, which is somewhat more > convenient. I expect to visit Gainesville, FL in February for my brother's > 60th bithday. That's "only" 3 hours away from Tallahassee. > > Alternatively, I suspect that the Hatcher Families Association could cover > shipping to an active researcher. Does anyone wish to volunteer to receive > these materials? Bill? William? > > William Watson > Portland, Oregon > > _______________________________________________ > Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen > doreatr@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Sue Conley said: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) > From: Sue Conley <sconley713@embarqmail.com> > > William, I have correspondence with Emory that goes back to 1990 plus all > the Hatcher Family Research Association reports from 1990 to October 2000. > I also have the three Hatcher volumes on Henry, Edward & Benjamin plus the > volume on Jerry Proudfit & SC Moore. I would be happy to donate these to > one of our active, current researchers. The box weighs approximately 30 > lbs. & is 16 inches (length) 13 (height) & 10 1/2 width. I live in > Tallahassee, FL if someone is driving through & could pick them up or I > would be willing to ship if reimbursed for cost. I descend from William > Greene Hatcher in central GA. My dad was Albert Sidney Hatcher of Macon, > GA. > Sue Hatcher Conley > I live out in Oregon, which isn't convenient to Tallahassee. I believe that our other site Admin Bill lives in Gerogia, which is somewhat more convenient. I expect to visit Gainesville, FL in February for my brother's 60th bithday. That's "only" 3 hours away from Tallahassee. Alternatively, I suspect that the Hatcher Families Association could cover shipping to an active researcher. Does anyone wish to volunteer to receive these materials? Bill? William? William Watson Portland, Oregon

One more thing, in October here roots web is having one of their hugh conferences in London which I plan on going to...I mean what else is this American Florida boy gonna do in Faversham Kent?? One of the speakers is two people off Who Do You Think You Are TV show that seem to find everyone and their cousins. I certainly hope they give me some insight as well... Tony If you don't wake up every morning Willing to die for what you believe in Then you don't believe in anything Sent from my iPad > On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:17 PM, Anthony Barreto-Neto via HATCHER <hatcher@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thanks all of you. Yeah if I find a Hatchet living around there I'll grab them & force them (uh not), to get tested. > I'm also thinking of going to St George in Ogbourme (?) to see if I can find a marriage license in Wiltshire for Wm. & Marian Newporte & if finding one will of course try to copy & forward & see where it leads me. > > Also of interest one of the Hatchers married a Skinner and she (I suppose one of our (?) gggggg'grandmothers go all the way back to the 10th century. I wonder if from err her much later records of we could find anything that ties Wm to Marion? > > Seems hard to believe 2 WM. Could arrive in the same area of colonies both become members of Burgess and both have same children we descend from. Even barring a piece of paper (or 2 birds in a bush), how da hell many of them could there have been? > Oh & they came over about the same time but one lost a wife & kids on the way or not!? > > I did talk to the people who went to Careby and have photos but they are from an earlier Sir Thomas child nephew Indian chief in Careby cuz he died in 1711. So??? If Those records are there and they would not be on microfiche but originals which I'm told I might have to have a History Card to view (& I do), will be interesting indeed. > > If you don't wake up every morning > Willing to die for what you believe in > Then you don't believe in anything > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:41 PM, Sue Conley <sconley713@embarqmail.com> wrote: >> >> William, I have correspondence with Emory that goes back to 1990 plus all the Hatcher Family Research Association reports from 1990 to October 2000. I also have the three Hatcher volumes on Henry, Edward & Benjamin plus the volume on Jerry Proudfit & SC Moore. I would be happy to donate these to one of our active, current researchers. The box weighs approximately 30 lbs. & is 16 inches (length) 13 (height) & 10 1/2 width. I live in Tallahassee, FL if someone is driving through & could pick them up or I would be willing to ship if reimbursed for cost. I descend from William Greene Hatcher in central GA. My dad was Albert Sidney Hatcher of Macon, GA. >> Sue Hatcher Conley >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: William Hatcher <thehatchers@windstream.net> >> To: hatcher@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:45:25 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: [HATCHER] Re: Mary Boykin >> >> Tony, You asked: "Didn’t someone else go there??" >> >> I remember quite a few years ago, and I am running stickily on memory, >> Emory Hatcher and the Hatcher Family Association at that time hired and >> paid a professional Genealogist in England to research the roots of >> William the Immigrant in the England locations. >> Again, best I can remember, nothing concrete was found or discovered and >> I believe Nel at one time had the results of this research shared with >> her back in the 90's right after I first got started in researching >> Hatcher genealogy and met Nel on line. >> I may have had the info on computer at one time, but after a massive >> computer failure back in early 2000, I unfortunately lost a lot of my >> saved records, documents, and notes. >> I believe Robert Hatcher aka Ala. Bob also had copies of this research? >> >> As to how deep they went or where all they looked I do not know. Maybe >> some of the other members might remember some of the finer details or >> have a copy of the research... >> William W. Hatcher >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen doreatr@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. 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Folks: For whatever it's worth, I'm also involved with the Clay Family DNA project (my direct ancestor was James Hatcher who married Sarah Clay) and what they are doing is this: They actively recruited donations for DNA testing, getting several thousand dollars in donations. Then, they've been buying Y-DNA 37 kits in bulk from FTDNA. They have a man in England who places ads in genealogy society magazines and so forth to locate Clay men who would like to have a free DNA test in return for supplying a decent family tree. This process actually resulted in some success for me, personally. The aforementioned Sarah Clay is the granddaughter of Percival Clay who was a convict transportee from Yorkshire. I recruited a direct male descendant of her brother to take a DNA test and the predicted haplotype (E-M25) is fairly rare for England, although it did match a descendant of Sarah's uncle, so I'm now fairly certain what I'm looking for in England. Unfortunately, the best match so far is a gentleman from Warwickshire who has a family tree back to the 1500s that doesn't show any relationship with Yorkshire. Also, we have a third disconnected E-M35 family that shows up in New York state sometime in the early 1800s and migrates to Washington County, PA. So, I now have three tree leaves and no known connection. The hunt goes on. (There are record of a Percival Clay in Yorkshire about a century before MY Percival; we just need to find a descendant from THAT family who will take a DNA test....) Anyway, that's how the Clay family is approaching the problem. If somebody would assemble a decent-sized fund, and if Tony would be "our man in England," then we might be able to do something similar..... == Bill ________________________________ From: hfga@googlegroups.com <hfga@googlegroups.com> on behalf of William J. Watson <wjw@alumni.rice.edu> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:13 PM To: Hatcher mailing list <hatcher@rootsweb.com>; Donald L Hatcher <ncis2003@bellsouth.net> Cc: Anthony Barreto-Neto <tbn3@me.com>; Chuck Hatcher <chuck@hatcher.biz>; Hatcher Families Genealogy Association <hfga@googlegroups.com> Subject: [hfga] Re: Early English Hatchers Donald L. Hatcher asked: > I hate to ask this because it may have been asked and answered previously and I may have missed it; however, has anyone done a DNA comparison study with known descendants of William the Immigrant and the Hatchers currently living in England? Then, if a match is found, utilizing and researching the background of those found to attempt to ascertain our lineage in England? That's a perfectly reasonable question. Alas, we don't as yet have ANY English DNA matches to the descendants of William the Immigrant. The challenge is that we don't have any means of finding appropriate Hatchers currently living in England, of convincing them to take DNA tests, let alone of convincing them to pay for them, or of funding them ourselves. We have one American Hatcher descended from a William Hatcher, born 1816 in Croscombe, Somerset, England, who matched to an early DNA project member who I suspect was our late researcher "British Bob". Their DNA was VERY distinct from the Henrico County, Virginia descendants of "Wm the Im," as their test results predicted Haplogroup J-M172. Some of the Quaker Hatchers have good paper trails back to Dorset, England. Their Haplogroup is I-M253. Their results match a substantial Minnesota family, and also a smaller family in Newfoundland. The main body of "Wm the Im" descendants have Haplogroup R-M269. That's a very common Haplogroups for European men. Big Y testing proves they share an ancestor with descendants of Irish kings of the tenth century (900s A.D.), but that's well before surnames were used, and doesn't provide any leads for genealogical research. The ~600-700 years or more between them and the father of "Wm the Im" doesn't provide us with ideas for documentary research. Jeff Hatcher has identified a "SNP" that appears only in results for our descendants of Wm the Im, and thus far, in the results for no other testers. That means that if we found results that looks "sort of close," that we'd be able to add one test as say whether or not we'd hit pay dirt. IF we had a dedicated pool of funds for DNA testing, I understand that some UK genealogy conferences may have a lists of projects looking for test particpants, and that we might be able to add our project to such a list. Otherwise, I think we'd be at the level of "cold calling" Hatchers in target areas, and trying to convince them to test. Best regards, William On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:13 PM William J. Watson <wjw@alumni.rice.edu<mailto:wjw@alumni.rice.edu>> wrote: Tony, It's great that you have some time available to research early Hatchers in England. Thank you very much for the offer! I don't have a clear idea what records you might find, whether there's a clear index, or if you should expect to need long hours going through records year by year for one church, trying to discern the name "Hatcher" in early English script. If you think you might be able to make more than one visit to London or to Careby, perhaps you might start with trying to assess what you would be able to find and how you can find records of interest. Also, as I describe below in more detail, we don't actually have any idea where "our" William was born in England. He may have absolutely no connection to Careby whatsoever, aside from sharing a name with some folks there. Given the work done under Nel to check the possible father's of William among the Careby Hatchers, I'm not sure that further work on them would be the most productive use of your time. Perhaps checking Hatcher records in other areas might prove more useful? Of course, anything you might turn up could have potential use. If nothing else, documenting the Hatcher men in Careby who could NOT be William's father might be A Good Idea. Our database shows Hatcher families in many areas with births before 1600. I hadn't quite appreciated how many until I just checked. Almost all appear in our database of "English Hatchers to America," except for the ones down in Marnhull, Dorset, connected to our Quaker Hatchers. Note that that specifically DOES include Careby, as connected to the "E Hatchers to A" database. Nel's note on the "English Hatchers to America" says "English Hatchers in America — These families were identified as English born through census records. The earlist born of these immigrants were born late 1700s to early 1800s and still alive to be found in the 1850 census. DNA testing shows good connections between members of these families, but no connection to our other Hatcher families. Note that these families are not all connected to each other, so some may actually connect to other trees." We have a total of three DNA tests associated with "E Hatchers to A", and one of them ins only a Y-12 test. Two of the three connect to the town of Chart Sutton, Kent. I'm not sure that we have any DNA tests associated with any of the other groups of Hatcher families in England (aside from the Quakers, from Dorset), including those from Careby, but also the ones in Cambridge, near London, in Sussex, or on the south coast. While Chuck may have made his comment about DNA testing with tongue somewhat in cheek, I think that there's significant truth behind it. Unless we somehow find DNA matches to some Hatcher family in England, we won't know where to look for the family of "Wm the Im." While he could possibly conect to the Careby Hatchers, he equally could have come from London, Cambridge, Sussex, or the south coast. For that matter, he could possibly have been an NPE from a Hatcher woman and an unknown father, shuttled off to America so that he would vanish from England. At the moment, the Hatcher Family Association is on stable financial footing. In part, that's because at this point, we're really only supporting the web database, with everything else managed on a volunteer basis. We're not paying for researchers, research expenses for volunteers, Ancestry subscriptions, or DNA testing. Financing a significant testing effort could really impact our bank balance. Perhaps we could start a campaign for donations to a DNA testing fund, separate from our regular finances? That could be managed through the donate button on our project page at FTDNA: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/hatcher/about<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.familytreedna.com%2Fgroups%2Fhatcher%2Fabout&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdaaa98a4413d401c583608d71f69f34c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637012412218159620&sdata=OBJ8Wx6h2EjmtrDM0dr5KLa%2BdIRUm6HhH%2FCo%2Be%2By7%2Bs%3D&reserved=0> I note further that both FTDNA and Ancestry.com have DNA tests on sale throguh the end of the month. While the Ancestry test is cheaper, they don't offer a Y-DNA test option, so results of tests taken there would not help to identify a connection from 400 years ago. The geographic distribution of the early Hatchers in our database shows a few clusters and a few outliers (distances from Big Ben): Sorted into clusters, starting from the north, then east to west: Careby, Lincolnshire (about 100 miles north of London, NW of Cambridge) Cambridge (about 60 miles north of London) Kent, east of London: Sandwich, Kent (about 80 miles ESE of London) Stourmout, Kent (about 75 miles ESE of London, a bit north of Dover) Birchington-on-Sea (about 75 miles ESE of London) Eastry, Kent (about 75 miles east of London) Whitstable, Kent (about 60 miles ESE of London, just north of Canterbury) Benenden, Kent (about 60 miles SE of London) Wormshill, Kent (about 45 miles ESE of London) Bordon, Kent (about 45 miles ESE of London) Chevening, Kent (about 30 miles SE of London) Within 10 miles of London: St Botolph, Aldgate, London (just on the east side of the City of London) St Andrew, Holborn, London (actually in the city of London?) All Hallows, Tottenham (about 10 miles north of London) Middlesex (about 10 miles north of London) Croydon, Surrey (about 10 miles south of London) Beddington, Surrey (about 10 miles south of London, just west of Croydon) Mitcham, UK (about 10 miles south of London) St Saviour, Denmark Park, Surrey (less than 10 miles west of London) Wimbledon, Surrey (less than 10 miles SW of London) Kingston upon Thames (about 10 miles SW of London) A bit south of London: Balcombe, Sussex (about 30 miles due south of London) Worth, Sussex (about 30 miles south of London) Southwest, near the coast: Ferring, West Sussex (about 60 miles WSW of London, on the coast west of Brighton) Gatcombe, Netley, Southampton (about 75 miles SW of London, just NW of Portsmouth) Marnhull, Dorset, England (about 120 miles WSW of London) "Quaker Hatchers" Note that it's also quite possible for the place names in our database to represent poor transcriptions of documents, for names to have changed, or for my quick google maps searches for places to have found the wrong ones. Best regards, William -------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 09:33:16 +0100 From: Anthony Barreto-Neto <tbn3@me.com<mailto:tbn3@me.com>> Anyway I’m going to Careby next week to look at parish records. I know that he’s been disproven as a possible son of Thomas, but as far as I can tell nothing concrete. Only that he didn’t collect the extra 100 acres for a wife & child. I find it hard to believe that both Wm ours, & apparently the one who was from Careby could coexist in the same area, in the same context without being the same person. But I’m for hard proof. Anything before 1750 at the Church Parish in Careby isn’t on microfiche, but they have originals going back to Thomas father (Dr. Thomas Hatcher), and maybe more as well as his sons. In same area of Careby there’s also a Sir John. Both him & Thomas took part in civil war here, who were referred to as Round Heads. Anyone else hear of this? If anyone has been there why don’t we have any photos of the Statute &/or memorial there, or do we? I haven’t seen it. But why would we if the consensus is that Thomas can’t be the father. He did have a Wm that was born same time as our Wm. Has anyone been there to check these documents? I’m going to get copies if possible if not draw them to send to someone greater than I am. It would be nice to have tangible evidence one way or the other. I find it hard we can trace Wm back to the UK then completely lose all records. Ha, maybe the statute of Thomas in Careby will have a resemblance. I’ll let y’all know if you want me to keep you up on this. Careby is about 100 miles from where I live so I’ll be there couple of days. Oh think I told you but got my History card & will be able to view documents that aren’t digitized for Ancestry because of their condition so unless you’ve been there you won’t have seen them. Didn’t someone else go there?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:26:48 +0000 From: Chuck Hatcher <chuck@hatcher.biz<mailto:chuck@hatcher.biz>> Tony, If you run into any living Hatchers in the Careby area, be sure to grab a DNA sample... :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hatcher Families Genealogy Association" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hfga+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:hfga+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>. 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Thanks all of you. Yeah if I find a Hatchet living around there I'll grab them & force them (uh not), to get tested. I'm also thinking of going to St George in Ogbourme (?) to see if I can find a marriage license in Wiltshire for Wm. & Marian Newporte & if finding one will of course try to copy & forward & see where it leads me. Also of interest one of the Hatchers married a Skinner and she (I suppose one of our (?) gggggg'grandmothers go all the way back to the 10th century. I wonder if from err her much later records of we could find anything that ties Wm to Marion? Seems hard to believe 2 WM. Could arrive in the same area of colonies both become members of Burgess and both have same children we descend from. Even barring a piece of paper (or 2 birds in a bush), how da hell many of them could there have been? Oh & they came over about the same time but one lost a wife & kids on the way or not!? I did talk to the people who went to Careby and have photos but they are from an earlier Sir Thomas child nephew Indian chief in Careby cuz he died in 1711. So??? If Those records are there and they would not be on microfiche but originals which I'm told I might have to have a History Card to view (& I do), will be interesting indeed. If you don't wake up every morning Willing to die for what you believe in Then you don't believe in anything Sent from my iPad > On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:41 PM, Sue Conley <sconley713@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > William, I have correspondence with Emory that goes back to 1990 plus all the Hatcher Family Research Association reports from 1990 to October 2000. I also have the three Hatcher volumes on Henry, Edward & Benjamin plus the volume on Jerry Proudfit & SC Moore. I would be happy to donate these to one of our active, current researchers. The box weighs approximately 30 lbs. & is 16 inches (length) 13 (height) & 10 1/2 width. I live in Tallahassee, FL if someone is driving through & could pick them up or I would be willing to ship if reimbursed for cost. I descend from William Greene Hatcher in central GA. My dad was Albert Sidney Hatcher of Macon, GA. > Sue Hatcher Conley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Hatcher <thehatchers@windstream.net> > To: hatcher@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:45:25 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [HATCHER] Re: Mary Boykin > > Tony, You asked: "Didn’t someone else go there??" > > I remember quite a few years ago, and I am running stickily on memory, > Emory Hatcher and the Hatcher Family Association at that time hired and > paid a professional Genealogist in England to research the roots of > William the Immigrant in the England locations. > Again, best I can remember, nothing concrete was found or discovered and > I believe Nel at one time had the results of this research shared with > her back in the 90's right after I first got started in researching > Hatcher genealogy and met Nel on line. > I may have had the info on computer at one time, but after a massive > computer failure back in early 2000, I unfortunately lost a lot of my > saved records, documents, and notes. > I believe Robert Hatcher aka Ala. Bob also had copies of this research? > > As to how deep they went or where all they looked I do not know. Maybe > some of the other members might remember some of the finer details or > have a copy of the research... > William W. Hatcher > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen doreatr@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen doreatr@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Donald L. Hatcher asked: > I hate to ask this because it may have been asked and answered previously and I may have missed it; however, has anyone done a DNA comparison study with known descendants of William the Immigrant and the Hatchers currently living in England? Then, if a match is found, utilizing and researching the background of those found to attempt to ascertain our lineage in England? That's a perfectly reasonable question. Alas, we don't as yet have *ANY* English DNA matches to the descendants of William the Immigrant. The challenge is that we don't have any means of finding appropriate Hatchers currently living in England, of convincing them to take DNA tests, let alone of convincing them to pay for them, or of funding them ourselves. We have one American Hatcher descended from a William Hatcher, born 1816 in Croscombe, Somerset, England, who matched to an early DNA project member who I suspect was our late researcher "British Bob". Their DNA was VERY distinct from the Henrico County, Virginia descendants of "Wm the Im," as their test results predicted Haplogroup J-M172. Some of the Quaker Hatchers have good paper trails back to Dorset, England. Their Haplogroup is I-M253. Their results match a substantial Minnesota family, and also a smaller family in Newfoundland. The main body of "Wm the Im" descendants have Haplogroup R-M269. That's a very common Haplogroups for European men. Big Y testing proves they share an ancestor with descendants of Irish kings of the tenth century (900s A.D.), but that's well before surnames were used, and doesn't provide any leads for genealogical research. The ~600-700 years or more between them and the father of "Wm the Im" doesn't provide us with ideas for documentary research. Jeff Hatcher has identified a "SNP" that appears only in results for our descendants of Wm the Im, and thus far, in the results for no other testers. That means that if we found results that looks "sort of close," that we'd be able to add one test as say whether or not we'd hit pay dirt. *IF* we had a dedicated pool of funds for DNA testing, I understand that some UK genealogy conferences may have a lists of projects looking for test particpants, and that we might be able to add our project to such a list. Otherwise, I think we'd be at the level of "cold calling" Hatchers in target areas, and trying to convince them to test. Best regards, William On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:13 PM William J. Watson <wjw@alumni.rice.edu> wrote: > Tony, > > It's great that you have some time available to research early Hatchers in > England. Thank you very much for the offer! > > > I don't have a clear idea what records you might find, whether there's a > clear index, or if you should expect to need long hours going through > records year by year for one church, trying to discern the name "Hatcher" > in early English script. If you think you might be able to make more than > one visit to London or to Careby, perhaps you might start with trying to > assess what you would be able to find and how you can find records of > interest. > > Also, as I describe below in more detail, we don't actually have any idea > where "our" William was born in England. He may have absolutely no > connection to Careby whatsoever, aside from sharing a name with some folks > there. > > > Given the work done under Nel to check the possible father's of William > among the Careby Hatchers, I'm not sure that further work on them would be > the most productive use of your time. Perhaps checking Hatcher records in > other areas might prove more useful? Of course, anything you might turn up > could have potential use. If nothing else, documenting the Hatcher men in > Careby who could NOT be William's father might be A Good Idea. > > > Our database shows Hatcher families in many areas with births before 1600. > I hadn't quite appreciated how many until I just checked. Almost all appear > in our database of "English Hatchers to America," except for the ones down > in Marnhull, Dorset, connected to our Quaker Hatchers. Note that that > specifically *DOES* include Careby, as connected to the "E Hatchers to A" > database. > > Nel's note on the "English Hatchers to America" says "English Hatchers in > America — These families were identified as English born through census > records. The earlist born of these immigrants were born late 1700s to early > 1800s and still alive to be found in the 1850 census. DNA testing shows > good connections between members of these families, but no connection to > our other Hatcher families. Note that these families are not all connected > to each other, so some may actually connect to other trees." > > We have a total of *three *DNA tests associated with "E Hatchers to A", > and one of them ins only a Y-12 test. Two of the three connect to the town > of Chart Sutton, Kent. I'm not sure that we have any DNA tests associated > with any of the other groups of Hatcher families in England (aside from the > Quakers, from Dorset), including those from Careby, but also the ones in > Cambridge, near London, in Sussex, or on the south coast. > > > While Chuck may have made his comment about DNA testing with tongue > somewhat in cheek, I think that there's significant truth behind it. Unless > we somehow find DNA matches to some Hatcher family in England, we won't > know where to look for the family of "Wm the Im." While he could possibly > conect to the Careby Hatchers, he equally could have come from London, > Cambridge, Sussex, or the south coast. For that matter, he could possibly > have been an NPE from a Hatcher woman and an unknown father, shuttled off > to America so that he would vanish from England. > > > At the moment, the Hatcher Family Association is on stable financial > footing. In part, that's because at this point, we're really only > supporting the web database, with everything else managed on a volunteer > basis. We're not paying for researchers, research expenses for volunteers, > Ancestry subscriptions, or DNA testing. Financing a significant testing > effort could really impact our bank balance. Perhaps we could start a > campaign for donations to a DNA testing fund, separate from our regular > finances? That could be managed through the donate button on our project > page at FTDNA: > https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/hatcher/about > > I note further that both FTDNA and Ancestry.com have DNA tests on sale > throguh the end of the month. While the Ancestry test is cheaper, they > don't offer a Y-DNA test option, so results of tests taken there would not > help to identify a connection from 400 years ago. > > > The geographic distribution of the early Hatchers *in our database* shows > a few clusters and a few outliers (distances from Big Ben): > > Sorted into clusters, starting from the north, then east to west: > > *Careby*, Lincolnshire (about 100 miles north of London, NW of Cambridge) > > *Cambridge *(about 60 miles north of London) > > *Kent, east of London:* > Sandwich, Kent (about 80 miles ESE of London) > Stourmout, Kent (about 75 miles ESE of London, a bit north of Dover) > Birchington-on-Sea (about 75 miles ESE of London) > Eastry, Kent (about 75 miles east of London) > Whitstable, Kent (about 60 miles ESE of London, just north of Canterbury) > Benenden, Kent (about 60 miles SE of London) > Wormshill, Kent (about 45 miles ESE of London) > Bordon, Kent (about 45 miles ESE of London) > Chevening, Kent (about 30 miles SE of London) > > *Within 10 miles of London:* > St Botolph, Aldgate, London (just on the east side of the City of London) > St Andrew, Holborn, London (actually in the city of London?) > All Hallows, Tottenham (about 10 miles north of London) > Middlesex (about 10 miles north of London) > Croydon, Surrey (about 10 miles south of London) > Beddington, Surrey (about 10 miles south of London, just west of Croydon) > Mitcham, UK (about 10 miles south of London) > St Saviour, Denmark Park, Surrey (less than 10 miles west of London) > Wimbledon, Surrey (less than 10 miles SW of London) > Kingston upon Thames (about 10 miles SW of London) > > *A bit south of London:* > Balcombe, Sussex (about 30 miles due south of London) > Worth, Sussex (about 30 miles south of London) > > *Southwest, near the coast:* > Ferring, West Sussex (about 60 miles WSW of London, on the coast west of > Brighton) > Gatcombe, Netley, Southampton (about 75 miles SW of London, just NW of > Portsmouth) > Marnhull, Dorset, England (about 120 miles WSW of London) *"Quaker > Hatchers"* > > Note that it's also quite possible for the place names in our database to > represent poor transcriptions of documents, for names to have changed, or > for my quick google maps searches for places to have found the wrong ones. > > > Best regards, > > William > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 09:33:16 +0100 >> From: Anthony Barreto-Neto <tbn3@me.com> >> >> Anyway I’m going to Careby next week to look at parish records. >> I know that he’s been disproven as a possible son of Thomas, but as far >> as I can tell nothing concrete. Only that he didn’t collect the extra 100 >> acres for a wife & child. >> >> I find it hard to believe that both Wm ours, & apparently the one who was >> from Careby could coexist in the same area, in the same context without >> being the same person. But I’m for hard proof. >> Anything before 1750 at the Church Parish in Careby isn’t on microfiche, >> but they have originals going back to Thomas father (Dr. Thomas Hatcher), >> and maybe more as well as his sons. In same area of Careby there’s also a >> Sir John. Both him & Thomas took part in civil war here, who were referred >> to as Round Heads. Anyone else hear of this? >> >> If anyone has been there why don’t we have any photos of the Statute &/or >> memorial there, or do we? I haven’t seen it. But why would we if the >> consensus is that Thomas can’t be the father. He did have a Wm that was >> born same time as our Wm. >> >> Has anyone been there to check these documents? I’m going to get copies >> if possible if not draw them to send to someone greater than I am. It would >> be nice to have tangible evidence one way or the other. >> I find it hard we can trace Wm back to the UK then completely lose all >> records. Ha, maybe the statute of Thomas in Careby will have a resemblance. >> >> I’ll let y’all know if you want me to keep you up on this. Careby is >> about 100 miles from where I live so I’ll be there couple of days. >> >> Oh think I told you but got my History card & will be able to view >> documents that aren’t digitized for Ancestry because of their condition so >> unless you’ve been there you won’t have seen them. >> Didn’t someone else go there?? >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:26:48 +0000 >> From: Chuck Hatcher <chuck@hatcher.biz> >> >> Tony, >> >> If you run into any living Hatchers in the Careby area, be sure to grab a >> DNA sample... :) >> >>

William, I have correspondence with Emory that goes back to 1990 plus all the Hatcher Family Research Association reports from 1990 to October 2000. I also have the three Hatcher volumes on Henry, Edward & Benjamin plus the volume on Jerry Proudfit & SC Moore. I would be happy to donate these to one of our active, current researchers. The box weighs approximately 30 lbs. & is 16 inches (length) 13 (height) & 10 1/2 width. I live in Tallahassee, FL if someone is driving through & could pick them up or I would be willing to ship if reimbursed for cost. I descend from William Greene Hatcher in central GA. My dad was Albert Sidney Hatcher of Macon, GA. Sue Hatcher Conley ----- Original Message ----- From: William Hatcher <thehatchers@windstream.net> To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HATCHER] Re: Mary Boykin Tony, You asked: "Didn’t someone else go there??" I remember quite a few years ago, and I am running stickily on memory, Emory Hatcher and the Hatcher Family Association at that time hired and paid a professional Genealogist in England to research the roots of William the Immigrant in the England locations. Again, best I can remember, nothing concrete was found or discovered and I believe Nel at one time had the results of this research shared with her back in the 90's right after I first got started in researching Hatcher genealogy and met Nel on line. I may have had the info on computer at one time, but after a massive computer failure back in early 2000, I unfortunately lost a lot of my saved records, documents, and notes. I believe Robert Hatcher aka Ala. Bob also had copies of this research? As to how deep they went or where all they looked I do not know. Maybe some of the other members might remember some of the finer details or have a copy of the research... William W. Hatcher --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen doreatr@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Tony, It's great that you have some time available to research early Hatchers in England. Thank you very much for the offer! I don't have a clear idea what records you might find, whether there's a clear index, or if you should expect to need long hours going through records year by year for one church, trying to discern the name "Hatcher" in early English script. If you think you might be able to make more than one visit to London or to Careby, perhaps you might start with trying to assess what you would be able to find and how you can find records of interest. Also, as I describe below in more detail, we don't actually have any idea where "our" William was born in England. He may have absolutely no connection to Careby whatsoever, aside from sharing a name with some folks there. Given the work done under Nel to check the possible father's of William among the Careby Hatchers, I'm not sure that further work on them would be the most productive use of your time. Perhaps checking Hatcher records in other areas might prove more useful? Of course, anything you might turn up could have potential use. If nothing else, documenting the Hatcher men in Careby who could NOT be William's father might be A Good Idea. Our database shows Hatcher families in many areas with births before 1600. I hadn't quite appreciated how many until I just checked. Almost all appear in our database of "English Hatchers to America," except for the ones down in Marnhull, Dorset, connected to our Quaker Hatchers. Note that that specifically *DOES* include Careby, as connected to the "E Hatchers to A" database. Nel's note on the "English Hatchers to America" says "English Hatchers in America — These families were identified as English born through census records. The earlist born of these immigrants were born late 1700s to early 1800s and still alive to be found in the 1850 census. DNA testing shows good connections between members of these families, but no connection to our other Hatcher families. Note that these families are not all connected to each other, so some may actually connect to other trees." We have a total of *three *DNA tests associated with "E Hatchers to A", and one of them ins only a Y-12 test. Two of the three connect to the town of Chart Sutton, Kent. I'm not sure that we have any DNA tests associated with any of the other groups of Hatcher families in England (aside from the Quakers, from Dorset), including those from Careby, but also the ones in Cambridge, near London, in Sussex, or on the south coast. While Chuck may have made his comment about DNA testing with tongue somewhat in cheek, I think that there's significant truth behind it. Unless we somehow find DNA matches to some Hatcher family in England, we won't know where to look for the family of "Wm the Im." While he could possibly conect to the Careby Hatchers, he equally could have come from London, Cambridge, Sussex, or the south coast. For that matter, he could possibly have been an NPE from a Hatcher woman and an unknown father, shuttled off to America so that he would vanish from England. At the moment, the Hatcher Family Association is on stable financial footing. In part, that's because at this point, we're really only supporting the web database, with everything else managed on a volunteer basis. We're not paying for researchers, research expenses for volunteers, Ancestry subscriptions, or DNA testing. Financing a significant testing effort could really impact our bank balance. Perhaps we could start a campaign for donations to a DNA testing fund, separate from our regular finances? That could be managed through the donate button on our project page at FTDNA: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/hatcher/about I note further that both FTDNA and Ancestry.com have DNA tests on sale throguh the end of the month. While the Ancestry test is cheaper, they don't offer a Y-DNA test option, so results of tests taken there would not help to identify a connection from 400 years ago. The geographic distribution of the early Hatchers *in our database* shows a few clusters and a few outliers (distances from Big Ben): Sorted into clusters, starting from the north, then east to west: *Careby*, Lincolnshire (about 100 miles north of London, NW of Cambridge) *Cambridge *(about 60 miles north of London) *Kent, east of London:* Sandwich, Kent (about 80 miles ESE of London) Stourmout, Kent (about 75 miles ESE of London, a bit north of Dover) Birchington-on-Sea (about 75 miles ESE of London) Eastry, Kent (about 75 miles east of London) Whitstable, Kent (about 60 miles ESE of London, just north of Canterbury) Benenden, Kent (about 60 miles SE of London) Wormshill, Kent (about 45 miles ESE of London) Bordon, Kent (about 45 miles ESE of London) Chevening, Kent (about 30 miles SE of London) *Within 10 miles of London:* St Botolph, Aldgate, London (just on the east side of the City of London) St Andrew, Holborn, London (actually in the city of London?) All Hallows, Tottenham (about 10 miles north of London) Middlesex (about 10 miles north of London) Croydon, Surrey (about 10 miles south of London) Beddington, Surrey (about 10 miles south of London, just west of Croydon) Mitcham, UK (about 10 miles south of London) St Saviour, Denmark Park, Surrey (less than 10 miles west of London) Wimbledon, Surrey (less than 10 miles SW of London) Kingston upon Thames (about 10 miles SW of London) *A bit south of London:* Balcombe, Sussex (about 30 miles due south of London) Worth, Sussex (about 30 miles south of London) *Southwest, near the coast:* Ferring, West Sussex (about 60 miles WSW of London, on the coast west of Brighton) Gatcombe, Netley, Southampton (about 75 miles SW of London, just NW of Portsmouth) Marnhull, Dorset, England (about 120 miles WSW of London) *"Quaker Hatchers"* Note that it's also quite possible for the place names in our database to represent poor transcriptions of documents, for names to have changed, or for my quick google maps searches for places to have found the wrong ones. Best regards, William -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 09:33:16 +0100 > From: Anthony Barreto-Neto <tbn3@me.com> > > Anyway I’m going to Careby next week to look at parish records. > I know that he’s been disproven as a possible son of Thomas, but as far as > I can tell nothing concrete. Only that he didn’t collect the extra 100 > acres for a wife & child. > > I find it hard to believe that both Wm ours, & apparently the one who was > from Careby could coexist in the same area, in the same context without > being the same person. But I’m for hard proof. > Anything before 1750 at the Church Parish in Careby isn’t on microfiche, > but they have originals going back to Thomas father (Dr. Thomas Hatcher), > and maybe more as well as his sons. In same area of Careby there’s also a > Sir John. Both him & Thomas took part in civil war here, who were referred > to as Round Heads. Anyone else hear of this? > > If anyone has been there why don’t we have any photos of the Statute &/or > memorial there, or do we? I haven’t seen it. But why would we if the > consensus is that Thomas can’t be the father. He did have a Wm that was > born same time as our Wm. > > Has anyone been there to check these documents? I’m going to get copies if > possible if not draw them to send to someone greater than I am. It would be > nice to have tangible evidence one way or the other. > I find it hard we can trace Wm back to the UK then completely lose all > records. Ha, maybe the statute of Thomas in Careby will have a resemblance. > > I’ll let y’all know if you want me to keep you up on this. Careby is about > 100 miles from where I live so I’ll be there couple of days. > > Oh think I told you but got my History card & will be able to view > documents that aren’t digitized for Ancestry because of their condition so > unless you’ve been there you won’t have seen them. > Didn’t someone else go there?? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:26:48 +0000 > From: Chuck Hatcher <chuck@hatcher.biz> > > Tony, > > If you run into any living Hatchers in the Careby area, be sure to grab a > DNA sample... :) > >

Hi Tony I also thought that William of Careby was the same as Wm in the colonies, However without hard proof it remains as circumstantial evidence. Y-DNA test from Careby Hatcher of at least 37 markers would head us in the right direction. All DNA testing done here is from Family tree DNA they have an english site for prices. by all means keep us informed. I am very interested. . Cheers Wilson > On Aug 12, 2019, at 3:33 AM, Anthony Barreto-Neto via HATCHER <hatcher@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Wilson. > I have a date for Wm (IM) being 1619 i think. > Anyway I’m going to Careby next week to look at parish records. > I know that he’s been disproven as a possible son of Thomas, but as far as I can tell nothing concrete. Only that he didn’t collect the extra 100 acres for a wife & child. > > I find it hard to believe that both Wm ours, & apparently the one who was from Careby could coexist in the same area, in the same context without being the same person. But I’m for hard proof. > Anything before 1750 at the Church Parish in Careby isn’t on microfiche, but they have originals going back to Thomas father (Dr. Thomas Hatcher), and maybe more as well as his sons. In same area of Careby there’s also a Sir John. Both him & Thomas took part in civil war here, who were referred to as Round Heads. Anyone else hear of this? > > If anyone has been there why don’t we have any photos of the Statute &/or memorial there, or do we? I haven’t seen it. But why would we if the consensus is that Thomas can’t be the father. He did have a Wm that was born same time as our Wm. > > Has anyone been there to check these documents? I’m going to get copies if possible if not draw them to send to someone greater than I am. It would be nice to have tangible evidence one way or the other. > I find it hard we can trace Wm back to the UK then completely lose all records. Ha, maybe the statute of Thomas in Careby will have a resemblance. > > I’ll let y’all know if you want me to keep you up on this. Careby is about 100 miles from where I live so I’ll be there couple of days. > > Oh think I told you but got my History card & will be able to view documents that aren’t digitized for Ancestry because of their condition so unless you’ve been there you won’t have seen them. > Didn’t someone else go there?? > > Tony > > > > >> >> ` >>

I hate to ask this because it may have been asked and answered previously and I may have missed it; however, has anyone done a DNA comparison study with known descendants of William the Immigrant and the Hatchers currently living in England? Then, if a match is found, utilizing and researching the background of those found to attempt to ascertain our lineage in England? Hopefully, I'm not wasting the time of those accessing this website. Donald L. Hatcher -----Original Message----- From: William Hatcher [mailto:thehatchers@windstream.net] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:45 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: [HATCHER] Re: Mary Boykin Tony, You asked: "Didn’t someone else go there??" I remember quite a few years ago, and I am running stickily on memory, Emory Hatcher and the Hatcher Family Association at that time hired and paid a professional Genealogist in England to research the roots of William the Immigrant in the England locations. Again, best I can remember, nothing concrete was found or discovered and I believe Nel at one time had the results of this research shared with her back in the 90's right after I first got started in researching Hatcher genealogy and met Nel on line. I may have had the info on computer at one time, but after a massive computer failure back in early 2000, I unfortunately lost a lot of my saved records, documents, and notes. I believe Robert Hatcher aka Ala. Bob also had copies of this research? As to how deep they went or where all they looked I do not know. Maybe some of the other members might remember some of the finer details or have a copy of the research... William W. Hatcher --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen doreatr@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Tony, You asked: "Didn’t someone else go there??" I remember quite a few years ago, and I am running stickily on memory, Emory Hatcher and the Hatcher Family Association at that time hired and paid a professional Genealogist in England to research the roots of William the Immigrant in the England locations. Again, best I can remember, nothing concrete was found or discovered and I believe Nel at one time had the results of this research shared with her back in the 90's right after I first got started in researching Hatcher genealogy and met Nel on line. I may have had the info on computer at one time, but after a massive computer failure back in early 2000, I unfortunately lost a lot of my saved records, documents, and notes. I believe Robert Hatcher aka Ala. Bob also had copies of this research? As to how deep they went or where all they looked I do not know. Maybe some of the other members might remember some of the finer details or have a copy of the research... William W. Hatcher --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Tony, If you run into any living Hatchers in the Careby area, be sure to grab a DNA sample... :) Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ From: Anthony Barreto-Neto via HATCHER <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 4:33:16 AM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Cc: Anthony Barreto-Neto <tbn3@me.com> Subject: [HATCHER] Re: Mary Boykin Hi Wilson. I have a date for Wm (IM) being 1619 i think. Anyway I’m going to Careby next week to look at parish records. I know that he’s been disproven as a possible son of Thomas, but as far as I can tell nothing concrete. Only that he didn’t collect the extra 100 acres for a wife & child. I find it hard to believe that both Wm ours, & apparently the one who was from Careby could coexist in the same area, in the same context without being the same person. But I’m for hard proof. Anything before 1750 at the Church Parish in Careby isn’t on microfiche, but they have originals going back to Thomas father (Dr. Thomas Hatcher), and maybe more as well as his sons. In same area of Careby there’s also a Sir John. Both him & Thomas took part in civil war here, who were referred to as Round Heads. Anyone else hear of this? If anyone has been there why don’t we have any photos of the Statute &/or memorial there, or do we? I haven’t seen it. But why would we if the consensus is that Thomas can’t be the father. He did have a Wm that was born same time as our Wm. Has anyone been there to check these documents? I’m going to get copies if possible if not draw them to send to someone greater than I am. It would be nice to have tangible evidence one way or the other. I find it hard we can trace Wm back to the UK then completely lose all records. Ha, maybe the statute of Thomas in Careby will have a resemblance. I’ll let y’all know if you want me to keep you up on this. Careby is about 100 miles from where I live so I’ll be there couple of days. Oh think I told you but got my History card & will be able to view documents that aren’t digitized for Ancestry because of their condition so unless you’ve been there you won’t have seen them. Didn’t someone else go there?? Tony If you don't wake up every morning willing to die for what you believe in, then you don't believe in anything. (tbn-1993) > On 11 Aug 2019, at 22:18, Wilson Hatcher <wghatcher@live.com> wrote: > > Tomy Hatcher: > > Be not confused, I was talking sbout the great grand son of William Hatcher 1613-1680 [the immigrant}. > > Wilson Hatcher > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Anthony Barreto-Neto via HATCHER <hatcher@rootsweb.com<mailto:hatcher@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > > Hey yall. I saw a program over here in England where they were taking down your ancestors. Reckon i brought it up is because in London at the oldest church they have, many records were burned in the fire but allot have been saved as well. I was down in the catacombs where they have many records pictures etc and saw some at about the time Wm the Immigrant would have been in England. On a web site here in the UK they have allot of the members of the House of Burgess listed and the years they served. > I think we also have most of that info on our roots page, but I saw one that listed a Wm. Hatcher and the year he went to the Colonies in amidst a lot of other 'crap' about why it was started who held different offices etc. > I saw her today where don't know if it was Wilson or William writing, about Wm Hatcher being born in 1702. I suppose you're talking about Wm the immigrants son? > > If some one could clear that up for me please. I'm going to London again this Tuesday and I've registered for A history card. With the card I can access documents that are NOT digitized to Ancestry dot Com. Many are fragile so aren't put on line and you have to be there and have the card to view originals. > I only have a supposition for the birth of Wm the Immigrant using his first yr in the House of Burgess (being 1645), and working back from there. If his first year as a member is 1645 and what I just mentioned referenced in your email about the 1702 birth date of Wm #2, then our Wm would have had him what 57 years later? > From what I've seen on our page and from here in England the Wm Hatcher that did serve for the 1st time as a member in 1645 & i think the last time he is on record for attending is 1658-9. > > ` > > Tony Hatcher Barreto-Neto > > > > If you don't wake up every morning > Willing to die for what you believe in > Then you don't believe in anything > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > _______________________________________________ > Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen doreatr@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen doreatr@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Wilson. I have a date for Wm (IM) being 1619 i think. Anyway I’m going to Careby next week to look at parish records. I know that he’s been disproven as a possible son of Thomas, but as far as I can tell nothing concrete. Only that he didn’t collect the extra 100 acres for a wife & child. I find it hard to believe that both Wm ours, & apparently the one who was from Careby could coexist in the same area, in the same context without being the same person. But I’m for hard proof. Anything before 1750 at the Church Parish in Careby isn’t on microfiche, but they have originals going back to Thomas father (Dr. Thomas Hatcher), and maybe more as well as his sons. In same area of Careby there’s also a Sir John. Both him & Thomas took part in civil war here, who were referred to as Round Heads. Anyone else hear of this? If anyone has been there why don’t we have any photos of the Statute &/or memorial there, or do we? I haven’t seen it. But why would we if the consensus is that Thomas can’t be the father. He did have a Wm that was born same time as our Wm. Has anyone been there to check these documents? I’m going to get copies if possible if not draw them to send to someone greater than I am. It would be nice to have tangible evidence one way or the other. I find it hard we can trace Wm back to the UK then completely lose all records. Ha, maybe the statute of Thomas in Careby will have a resemblance. I’ll let y’all know if you want me to keep you up on this. Careby is about 100 miles from where I live so I’ll be there couple of days. Oh think I told you but got my History card & will be able to view documents that aren’t digitized for Ancestry because of their condition so unless you’ve been there you won’t have seen them. Didn’t someone else go there?? Tony If you don't wake up every morning willing to die for what you believe in, then you don't believe in anything. (tbn-1993) > On 11 Aug 2019, at 22:18, Wilson Hatcher <wghatcher@live.com> wrote: > > Tomy Hatcher: > > Be not confused, I was talking sbout the great grand son of William Hatcher 1613-1680 [the immigrant}. > > Wilson Hatcher > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Anthony Barreto-Neto via HATCHER <hatcher@rootsweb.com<mailto:hatcher@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > > Hey yall. I saw a program over here in England where they were taking down your ancestors. Reckon i brought it up is because in London at the oldest church they have, many records were burned in the fire but allot have been saved as well. I was down in the catacombs where they have many records pictures etc and saw some at about the time Wm the Immigrant would have been in England. On a web site here in the UK they have allot of the members of the House of Burgess listed and the years they served. > I think we also have most of that info on our roots page, but I saw one that listed a Wm. Hatcher and the year he went to the Colonies in amidst a lot of other 'crap' about why it was started who held different offices etc. > I saw her today where don't know if it was Wilson or William writing, about Wm Hatcher being born in 1702. I suppose you're talking about Wm the immigrants son? > > If some one could clear that up for me please. I'm going to London again this Tuesday and I've registered for A history card. With the card I can access documents that are NOT digitized to Ancestry dot Com. Many are fragile so aren't put on line and you have to be there and have the card to view originals. > I only have a supposition for the birth of Wm the Immigrant using his first yr in the House of Burgess (being 1645), and working back from there. If his first year as a member is 1645 and what I just mentioned referenced in your email about the 1702 birth date of Wm #2, then our Wm would have had him what 57 years later? > From what I've seen on our page and from here in England the Wm Hatcher that did serve for the 1st time as a member in 1645 & i think the last time he is on record for attending is 1658-9. > > ` > > Tony Hatcher Barreto-Neto > > > > If you don't wake up every morning > Willing to die for what you believe in > Then you don't believe in anything > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > _______________________________________________ > Welcome to the Hatcher Mail list. Please contact Rena Worthen doreatr@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/hatcher@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Tomy Hatcher: Be not confused, I was talking sbout the great grand son of William Hatcher 1613-1680 [the immigrant}. Wilson Hatcher On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Anthony Barreto-Neto via HATCHER <hatcher@rootsweb.com<mailto:hatcher@rootsweb.com>> wrote: Hey yall. I saw a program over here in England where they were taking down your ancestors. Reckon i brought it up is because in London at the oldest church they have, many records were burned in the fire but allot have been saved as well. I was down in the catacombs where they have many records pictures etc and saw some at about the time Wm the Immigrant would have been in England. On a web site here in the UK they have allot of the members of the House of Burgess listed and the years they served. I think we also have most of that info on our roots page, but I saw one that listed a Wm. Hatcher and the year he went to the Colonies in amidst a lot of other 'crap' about why it was started who held different offices etc. I saw her today where don't know if it was Wilson or William writing, about Wm Hatcher being born in 1702. I suppose you're talking about Wm the immigrants son? If some one could clear that up for me please. I'm going to London again this Tuesday and I've registered for A history card. With the card I can access documents that are NOT digitized to Ancestry dot Com. Many are fragile so aren't put on line and you have to be there and have the card to view originals. I only have a supposition for the birth of Wm the Immigrant using his first yr in the House of Burgess (being 1645), and working back from there. If his first year as a member is 1645 and what I just mentioned referenced in your email about the 1702 birth date of Wm #2, then our Wm would have had him what 57 years later? From what I've seen on our page and from here in England the Wm Hatcher that did serve for the 1st time as a member in 1645 & i think the last time he is on record for attending is 1658-9. ` Tony Hatcher Barreto-Neto If you don't wake up every morning Willing to die for what you believe in Then you don't believe in anything Sent from my iPad