Those Hatchers had their noses in all kinds of business..... Sheaf, Colin and Kilburn, Richard The Hatcher Porcelain Cargoes. The Complete Record. Phaidon Christie's, London, 1988. The two cargoes salvaged by Captain Hatcher from the South China Sea covered by this volume provided valuable information for the dating of Chinese export ceramics at the very end of the Ming dynasty and at the middle of the eighteenth century. These two cargoes are fully discussed and many varieties of porcelain are illustrated. http://www.chinese-porcelain-art.com/chinese-porcelain-japanese-porcelain.html

Just looking around and finding things....Winnette A List of the Names and some of the Residences of the Rebel Participants in Bacon's Rebellion of 1676 in Colonial Virginia put together by Kevin Frazier - fkevinf@adelphia.net Copyright 1999 - 2004 Name - County of Residence and Miscellaneous Information Hatcher, William - Henrico - fined 8000 lb. pork http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fraz/BaconsRebels

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Suzy and all, It does not matter which file your Hatchers are on. I take family pics, tombstone pics, document and record images, whatever helps to source your family - even if they're lost sheep wandering in the wilderness :-) But I do not take pics of the living unless they are part of a "herd" pic of older deceased family members. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Marv, I switched you to digest mode. You will now probably not receive this or any msg for a day or two. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Ray sent the following on Richard "Hatcher" Hatcher, Richard Date: Jan 29, 1689 Residence: Bucks Co., PA Land Record ID: 23166 Description: Neighbor Book-Page: 1-218 Property: 100 acres I have always believed this is really Richard Thatcher, the family we have so much confusion with except in our DNA. BUT! A caveat or two. There are also a few early records in both PA and VA for a Nicholas Hatcher. One (I believe) was a news item where NIck states his wife, Rachel, has left his bed, so to speak, and he would no longer be responsible for her. Nick is another Hatcher that Evelyn Avery couldn't figure out. The above rec for Richard is dated 1689. Now down in Charleston, SC, we first see the appearance of Richard Hatcher with a land grant dated 1699 - 10 yrs later. And Nick Hatcher appears in early SC juror lists (or something similar), dates need checking. No proven connection between Richard and Nick but they're both there, same time frame. Further, Richard of SC has sons, James, Thomas, John AND Joseph (all born 1700-1715). So....is it possible that the above PA record really IS for Richard HATCHER who before 1699 removed to SC? Is it possible we all have just been assuming this guy is Thatcher because there really WAS a Richard Thatcher in early PA, too. Same problem with Joseph Hatcher or Thatcher on the PA Tax list? The similarities in spelling is just killing us?? Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Marv, The email list gives you the option of subbing in daily or digest mode. I can switch you to digest mode if that works better for you. You would then receive a single msg containing a bunch of msgs sent over a period of 2-3 days. The only problem is that if, a week later, you wish to respond to a (now old) msg, you would need to make it clear what you're responding to. We ol' folks have short memories :-) You can always read old email msgs in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index or http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop .... BUT! You will never find images on email lists since these lists do not accept attachments of any sort. All "people" pics can be found on our site by clicking the Photos link and doing a search for your person's name (assuming you have the correct spelling of the name). Or you can search the file for your people to see if we have a pic on their page. Our group has been very good at sending me family pics but if your family shows no pics, it may be because you are the only descendant to find us. That's a pretty normal situation. Always look in the Notes section at the bottom of a person's page to see if there is Contact info there. If so, click the name(s) and you can email that person. Hope this helps! And let me know if you want me to switch you to digest mode. Nel

In a message dated 6/1/2008 6:14:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nelhatch@hills.net writes: Edmond Sands (of Bensalem and s/o another Stephen Sands) who md 1720 Mary COATES (another surname in our can). Nel this Mary Coates seems to be the daughter of a James and Mary (Watson) Coates of the Philadelphia area. The Sands family followed the same track as the Hatchers-- marriages in Baltimore, living in Pennsylvania then to Virginia, Fairfax MM and then Goose Creek MM. I have so many little pieces of paper and notes scattered around I can't remember or find exactly what else you wanted to know about this. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Thanks, Nel, for all the insights and advice, Please switch me to digest mode for a while; I'll try that and see if it is better for me. Marvin nelhatch <nelhatch@hills.net> wrote: HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Marv, The email list gives you the option of subbing in daily or digest mode. I can switch you to digest mode if that works better for you. You would then receive a single msg containing a bunch of msgs sent over a period of 2-3 days. The only problem is that if, a week later, you wish to respond to a (now old) msg, you would need to make it clear what you're responding to. We ol' folks have short memories :-) You can always read old email msgs in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index or http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop .... BUT! You will never find images on email lists since these lists do not accept attachments of any sort. All "people" pics can be found on our site by clicking the Photos link and doing a search for your person's name (assuming you have the correct spelling of the name). Or you can search the file for your people to see if we have a pic on their page. Our group has been very good at sending me family pics but if your family shows no pics, it may be because you are the only descendant to find us. That's a pretty normal situation. Always look in the Notes section at the bottom of a person's page to see if there is Contact info there. If so, click the name(s) and you can email that person. Hope this helps! And let me know if you want me to switch you to digest mode. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." --Soren Kierkegaard "As I grow to understand life less and less, I learn to live it more and more." --Jules Renard

Thank you so much for sending the early family history. Some of it I knew but certainly not the personal things written by your uncle. Thank you so much for sharing this. Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Mary Hatcher/James Gibson Mary [Hatcher] m. 11/1/1769 at Goose Creek MH (meeting house) Loudon Co, James Gibson of same county. No mention of her being a Mrs. or widow. I will see if I can track down any further info. This mention on page 503, Hinshaw, V. VI Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Hatcher, Richard Date: Jan 29, 1689 Residence: Bucks Co., PA Land Record ID: 23166 Description: Neighbor Book-Page: 1-218 Property: 100 acres Remarks: William Hayhurst of Bucks Co., for £10 from Henry Hudleston of Bucks Co.. Lying by the land of James Dilworth..to land of Richard Hatcher, north westerly to land of Wm. Hayhurst. Ackn: 27/1/1689. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <nelhatch@hills.net> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] A question for our Quakers........... > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D > Greenwood > > Wow! You wouldn't believe how some of these names are intersecting over a > 100-yr period! > > Van Sants with Van Horns with Van Zutphens. Pennsy Bob's John H md Ann Van > Horn (parents unknown) 1773 in Philly. Wm Coates Hatcher md Beulah Sutvan > 1826 in Burlington, NJ. > > I'm agreeing the Hatchers weren't originally Quakers (perhaps Catholic?) > And in reading some early 1700s NJ history, it seems they had a very > bigoted anti-Catholic governor pre-1728 who made life most unpleasant. > Compelling reason to change one's religion? > > But because we have these stray Hatchers in NJ and Philly, it seems that > Wm must have had a brother (Joseph or someone else?) who was there in PA > before heading to NJ. Mary who md Stephen Sands still may be the key. Do > we have a Quaker marriage in the Loudoun, VA area for Mary Hatcher to a > Gibson (per Wm's will?). If so, was she Mary Hatcher or (Mrs) Mary Sands > (a widow)? BIG difference! > > The Quaker-Dorset online file is now back in good order - pheeewwww! > > I've just sent Ed his Sherlocking instructions for his trip tomorrow. Ray > has sent me 6 pages of info on Samuel Coates. Still working to organize > everything he sent the past 2 days. I'm mailing today a request to NJ for > copies of court cases, 1791 and 1817, between Sarah Hatcher-John Gibbs and > Rachel Hatcher-Wm Stokes. These are unknown names. > > And I must also run away from home for a while this afternoon :-( > > Keep those cards and letters coming! One of these days I'll catch up :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1478 - Release Date: 6/2/2008 7:12 AM

Remember Nel that there was a Richard Hatcher that I found in Bucks Co.Land Records way back there......Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <nelhatch@hills.net> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] A question for our Quakers........... > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D > Greenwood > > Wow! You wouldn't believe how some of these names are intersecting over a > 100-yr period! > > Van Sants with Van Horns with Van Zutphens. Pennsy Bob's John H md Ann Van > Horn (parents unknown) 1773 in Philly. Wm Coates Hatcher md Beulah Sutvan > 1826 in Burlington, NJ. > > I'm agreeing the Hatchers weren't originally Quakers (perhaps Catholic?) > And in reading some early 1700s NJ history, it seems they had a very > bigoted anti-Catholic governor pre-1728 who made life most unpleasant. > Compelling reason to change one's religion? > > But because we have these stray Hatchers in NJ and Philly, it seems that > Wm must have had a brother (Joseph or someone else?) who was there in PA > before heading to NJ. Mary who md Stephen Sands still may be the key. Do > we have a Quaker marriage in the Loudoun, VA area for Mary Hatcher to a > Gibson (per Wm's will?). If so, was she Mary Hatcher or (Mrs) Mary Sands > (a widow)? BIG difference! > > The Quaker-Dorset online file is now back in good order - pheeewwww! > > I've just sent Ed his Sherlocking instructions for his trip tomorrow. Ray > has sent me 6 pages of info on Samuel Coates. Still working to organize > everything he sent the past 2 days. I'm mailing today a request to NJ for > copies of court cases, 1791 and 1817, between Sarah Hatcher-John Gibbs and > Rachel Hatcher-Wm Stokes. These are unknown names. > > And I must also run away from home for a while this afternoon :-( > > Keep those cards and letters coming! One of these days I'll catch up :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1478 - Release Date: 6/2/2008 7:12 AM

Nel: I'm very pleased to have been receiving (in recent weeks) direct postings from the Hatcher Family Association website which you have so lovingly and expertly created over a number of years. I've particularly enjoyed the recent daily interaction among Hatcher genealogists leading to removing of a blank wall for an early PA Hatcher family. And thanks to all concerned for the apparent validation of my Hatcher ancestry all the way back to William the immigrant! (I had not been absolutely certain of my family line prior to James Frank (or Frankling) Hatcher in the 19th century. Two queries: (1) Is it possible you would consider addinga weekly digest of postings (those daily ones sometimes come fast and furious, and we're not always doing Hatcher research!) as an alternative to the daily immediate postings? (2) How could I use the e-mail list to search for photos or other images of Hatcher ancestors that others within the Hatcher families may be willing to share (or direct me to)? Dreamsailer "Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." --Soren Kierkegaard "As I grow to understand life less and less, I learn to live it more and more." --Jules Renard

I found excellent early church records on CD #173 New York - Long Island Genealogies, from Family Tree Maker, now owned by Ancestry.com, for Garret Stoffelse VAN ZANDT/SANDT and his wife, Lysbeth GERRITZ, direct ancestors of Ann, and his descendants. "History of Bucks county Pennsylvania" by William W. H. DAVIS, 1905, volume III, page 24: THE VANSANT FAMILY. The VANSANTS of Bucks county are descendants of a common ancestor, Gerret Stoffelse VAN SANDT or VAN ZANDT,* (otherwise Garret VAN SANDT, son of Stoffel or Christopher), who emigrated from the Netherlands, probably from Zaandam in North Holland, or Zandberg in Drentlie, in or about the year 1651, and settled in New Utrecht, Long Island, on the records of which town he is frequently mentioned as Gerret Stoffellse. He was one of the fourteen patentees mentioned in the patent from Governor Thomas DONGAN, May 13, 1686, for the Commons of New Utrecht, "on behalf of themselves and their associates, the present freeholders and inhabitants of the said towne." His land was located at Yellow Hook, "under the jurisdiction of the town of New Utrecht." He was a magistrate of New Utrecht in 1681. By deed dated July 31, 1695, he conveyed his Yellow Hook plantation to Derick Janse VAN ZUTPHEN, and removed to Bucks county, where Joseph GROWDEN on 12 mo. 10, 1698-9, conveys to him 150 acres in Bensalem township and on the same date conveys a like tract adjoining to his son Cornelius. lt is probable that he was located for a time in New York, as he had two children baptized at the Dutch Reformed church there in 1674 and 1676, respectively. It is generally conceded that he was twice married, as the record of the baptisms above mentioned gives the name of his wife as Lysbeth Gerritz, while the later baptisms at New Utrecht and Flatbush churches give it as Lysbeth Cornelis. It is, however, possible that in one instance her father's surname is used and in the other his first name as was common on the Dutch records. Cornelius Gerrets was a a member of the Dutch church at New Utrecht. Garret VANSANT died intestate in Bensalem township, Bucks county, Pennsylvania, prior to June 5, 1706, the date upon which his ten children make a conveyance of his land purchased as before stated in February, 1698-9. The record of baptism of seven of his ten children appears at the Dutch church of New Netherlands, and will be given in connection with a sketch of each child, taken in regular order of birth, later in this article. The names of the ten children were: 1. Stoffell; 2. Cornelius; 3. Josias; 4. Harman; 5. Albert; 6. Johannes; 7. Jacobus; 8. George; 9. Jesina, and l0. Garret. (Harman was really the third child in order of birth, and Josias fourth ). * For much of the information contained in this sketch, more especially that pertaining to the early generations of the family, we are indebted to R. Winder JOHNSON of Philadelphia, who has made extensive researches covering nearly twenty-five years pertaining to the ancestry of the VANSANTS and other Holland families from whom he descended. He is himself a descendant of Garret VAN SANDT through his son, Jacobus (7), and his fourth son, Isaiah VANSANT, who married Charity VAN HORN, and their daughter, Sarah who married Christian VAN HORN, the descent being shown more in detail in the article in this volume on the VAN HORN Family. "Genealogy of the VAN SANT Family", by Grant VAN SANT, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 1929: LETTER OF SAMUEL R. VAN SANT The name VAN SANT is variously spelled by different members of the family. Some spell it VAN ZANDT, others VANSANDT, VANSANT and VANZANT. I am quite sure the first settler of that name in this country spelled his name VAN ZANDT, as I understand that is the old Dutch or Holland way. The earliest record of any VAN SANT that I know anything about, was Jacobus VAN ZANDT, who was an early settler in New York, and according to Washington Irving, was one of the purchasers of the Island of Manhattan. He came to this country in 1613, on a vessel called the ""Goede Vrow",", or Good Wife, some three or four years after the return of Hendric HUDSON, the discoverer of the Hudson River. I realize that this may not be absolutely historical, as my authority is a book written by Washington Irving in rather a humorous strain relative to the KNICKERBOCKERS of New York. I am satisfied, however, from research that early in the seventeenth century there were VAN ZANDTSs in New Amsterdam prior to the capture of the city by the British, when the name was changed to New York. I think the name VAN ZANDT was probably changed after said capture, as it was not very popular to have such a Dutch name after their city was ruled by the English; so the name was Anglicized, changing it to VAN SANT or VANSANT. Relative to the spelling of the name, I quote from a book written by my uncle, Nicholas VAN SANT, titled "Sunset Memories". FAMILY NAME "Concerning the family name, VANSANT, there has been no little perplexity. For many years the impression was, that at some time and for some reason to us unknown, the old Holland name, VANZANDT, had been changed by dropping out the D and substituting S for Z; but a careful examination several years ago, satisfied me that this theory was incorrect, and that our long-standing mode of spelling the name agrees more nearly than any other with the original form. Making a search in the county Clerk's office of Richmond county, New York, in 1879, I found a Deed, dated May 2, 1706, the fifth year of the reign of Queen Anne of England, conveying land to Aries JANSEN by Stoffel and Rachel VANSANT, the last name of each of the grantors being spelled as here written, without the Z or the D. The search was made by request of George H. VANZANDT, of Philadelphia, counselor-at-law, who had been giving diligent attention to the subject of his own family pedigree, and incidentally of ours. From him I learned many interesting facts, some of which are given in the following extracts from his correspondence: ''I am engaged in looking up the genealogy of some members of the VANZANDT family---those descended from Stophel VANZANDT, formerly of Port Richmond, Staten Island, who settled there about 1680, and afterward removed to Bucks county, Pa., where for some time he was a Trustee of Bensalem Presbyterian church.......I suppose we have the same common ancestor. We have traced matters back to Staten Island. Rev. Dr. BROWNLEE, of the Reformed Dutch church, of Port Richmond, writes that Stophel VANZANT had his son Stophel baptized October 22, 1701, and his daughter Sophia in 1706; so it appears on the records of the church..' Here we must pause to note this medley of names relating to the same persons__in my correspondent's letter VANZANDT, in the baptismal record VANZANT, but in the Deed of conveyance VANSANT. Do these variations seem strange? Especially, do they invalidate the historical facts related? No one is stupid enough to hold this. These discrepancies in the orthography of proper names, as in hundreds of other things, are constantly occurring. Talk of various readings in the ancient manuscripts of the Bible! Other old writings of renown, reveal even greater variations; but they are not rejected as spurious on this account, nor must the Bible be thrust aside because of its various readings or its apparent discrepancies. was Stophel VANSANT a myth because his name was spelled in several different ways? Not at all, but a veritable man, who lived and moved and had his being at the close of the seventeenth century and beginning of the eighteenth. Doubtless our family name has come to stay; and so we will neither regretfully deplore it nor vainly boast of it, whatever may be its true orthography or its real etymology. I must, however, express a cordial sympathy with my Philadelphia correspondent in his decided preference for the Dutch form of spelling, since our family preference is at least equally decided in favor of the Spanish form. Incidentally, this has sometimes proved an agreeable service, as when, several years since, a son of the writer went to Baltimore, Md., an almost total stranger, to engage in mercantile business. One of the old and honored residents of that city was Joshus VANSANT, who once or oftener had served as mayor, and who for many years had held the office of city comptroller, in which, by his proverbial economy, carefulness, and honesty, he had won the odd but honorable sobriquet, "watchdog of the city treasury'". The young stranger, bearing his exact family name, though not at all related, soon found an answer to the question, "What's in a name?" for his own had become so well and favorably known in business circles through that long-trusted citizen as to become substantially helpful to him in winning an honest success." I know very little about my great grandfather, John VAN SANT, but from all that I can learn, I am satisfied that he was descended from Stophel VANZANDT who left New York and settled in Bucks county, Penn, on the Delaware River above Philadelphia. My reason for this is that I was so informed by my grandfather, Nicholas VAN SANT when I visited him in 1865. I wrote, at the time, a history of the family, getting all the data I could from my grandfather. He said that his father had often spoken about cousins in Bucks county. As the VAN SANTs were shipbuilders, he learned that trade from them on the Delaware and later came to New Jersey, where he entered the shipbuilding business. It was said of him that he could build a ship, rig her, and sail her to any port in the world. He was in this business when the Revolutionary War started. During that war, he built privateers for the Continental Government. One of these he commanded. The prizes captured were brought to a harbor in New Jersey known as Chestnut Neck, and the provisions and army supplies intended for the English were distributed to Washington's Army, The activity of these privateers became so exasperating and so destructive to British commerce, that an expedition was sent against Chestnut Neck, consisting of both land and sea forces A battle was fought and the Americans were defeated, and my ancestor's vessel amongst others, was burned. The town was never rebuilt. I have seen a monument erected at Chestnut Neck to the memory of the heroes who lost their lives defending this point, (The fortifications at Chestnut Neck were erected by Major WESTCOTT, referred to herein). The vessel owned and commanded by my great grandfather with others was burned, and some one hundred and ten years afterwards my father, at low tide, sawed off a piece of timber under water as far as he could, and made a gavel which he presented to my son, Grant, from the wreck, This we prize very highly. For his services he was paid in continental money, which was valueless, so after the war he was poorer by reason of this fact. Extract from a letter from my father, relative to his services in the Continental War: "Grandfather built the vessels in Gloucester county near the head of navigation of Mulcia, at a place known as the forks. After the war was over, he moved to Bass River, now called New Gretna, in Burlington county, about six miles from Tuckerton, where he continued to build vessels until he retired from business' and he and grandmother lived with father who moved from Burlington county to Gloucester county, where a few years later he died at the age of ninety-four. In building those vessels grandfather made (as it turned out) a great sacrifice, as he received pay in continental money, which after the war became worthless. Grandfather was loyal and patriotic, as I remember of hearing grandmother speak of the great abhorrence he had of the Tories of that time, "(Some of that old continental money is in the hands of the family yet, and I think my son Grant has a bill or two of it in his cabinet of relics)." (Note by Grant VAN SANT: "I still have one of these same Bills). It is fortunate that the cause of the Continentals succeeded. Had it failed or had he been captured, he might have been hanged as a pirate, As it is, we are all proud to know that we descended from a patriot, who was such a help in our war for Independence, After all, it does not make so much difference who our ancestors were, The main thing is to see that our own names are worthy of those who are to follow us.

The 1754 record is the oldest I have found so far, too. I have checked numerous Quaker marriage certificates in Bucks County before that and have yet to run on to a Hatcher. So your thinking is that this is when they became Quakers as they requested membership to Fairfax MM? That is what I am inclined to believe. I did find Ann's parents, Johannis and Leah Grossbeeck VanSandt listed in the records of the Dutch Reformed Church, Bensalem, Bucks Co, PA, in Vol. 1, Pennsylvania Vital Records, on Ancestry. They were listed as sponsors of a daughter of a Thomas Biddle and Rachel Grosbeck and there also is information Leah and Johannis were listed as members of that church in 1710. Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Wow! You wouldn't believe how some of these names are intersecting over a 100-yr period! Van Sants with Van Horns with Van Zutphens. Pennsy Bob's John H md Ann Van Horn (parents unknown) 1773 in Philly. Wm Coates Hatcher md Beulah Sutvan 1826 in Burlington, NJ. I'm agreeing the Hatchers weren't originally Quakers (perhaps Catholic?) And in reading some early 1700s NJ history, it seems they had a very bigoted anti-Catholic governor pre-1728 who made life most unpleasant. Compelling reason to change one's religion? But because we have these stray Hatchers in NJ and Philly, it seems that Wm must have had a brother (Joseph or someone else?) who was there in PA before heading to NJ. Mary who md Stephen Sands still may be the key. Do we have a Quaker marriage in the Loudoun, VA area for Mary Hatcher to a Gibson (per Wm's will?). If so, was she Mary Hatcher or (Mrs) Mary Sands (a widow)? BIG difference! The Quaker-Dorset online file is now back in good order - pheeewwww! I've just sent Ed his Sherlocking instructions for his trip tomorrow. Ray has sent me 6 pages of info on Samuel Coates. Still working to organize everything he sent the past 2 days. I'm mailing today a request to NJ for copies of court cases, 1791 and 1817, between Sarah Hatcher-John Gibbs and Rachel Hatcher-Wm Stokes. These are unknown names. And I must also run away from home for a while this afternoon :-( Keep those cards and letters coming! One of these days I'll catch up :-) Nel

He owned property in Middletown, Bucks county at the time of his marriage and there was a Quaker meeting there, but he is not mentioned. Ann was of dutch descent and probably belonged to the Dutch Reformed church. Also, they were "married contrary to discipline" and thus would have been disowned and it would have been recorded. Fairfax FMM [Friends' Monthly Meeting], Loudoun county, Virginia: HATCHER 29 June 1754 - William and younger children were received into membership by request 29-6-1754; his wife Ann and daughter Mary received [into membership] on request 31 Aug. 1754 - his wife Ann and daughter Mary were received into membership by request, in women's meeting. If William or Ann had been members in good standing, they would have been recieved by certificate. Since the above was by request, NOTE: See ??? William HATCHER, born before. 21 February 1706/07, (12 mo 1706 os date he was baptized) Marnhull parish, Dorset county, England, in this file. I have NO proof that this William HATCHER is the same person as our William HATCHER, but he was born at about the same time, and our William HATCHER descendants EXACTLY match the DNA of the descendants of this William HATCHER's great grandfather of Marnhull, Dorset, England. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <BurnJi@aol.com> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] A question for our Quakers........... >I just noticed that in re-reading his will. What is the earliest you have > found Hatchers in Quaker records? > > Burnis > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just noticed that in re-reading his will. What is the earliest you have found Hatchers in Quaker records? Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Also, our William left his wheelwright and pump tools in his will. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <BurnJi@aol.com> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] A question for our Quakers........... > Thank you Paul, that was very helpful. Also ties in with the 1724 > Bensalem, > Bucks Co, PA, tax list in which William Hatcher also is listed as a > wheelwright. > > Burnis Argo > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Paul, that was very helpful. Also ties in with the 1724 Bensalem, Bucks Co, PA, tax list in which William Hatcher also is listed as a wheelwright. Burnis Argo **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)