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Things just get more and more interesting, don't they? What fun. Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Shirley, You can't send attachments to the list. Trying sending your msg (and any attachments) to me nelhatch@hills.net and I can then get it to the list. Maybe your emails are getting held up by Rootsweb for some reason. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood You bet it's fun! I'm starting to feel like a kid waiting to open those Xmas presents :-) What I found interesting is that I've seen many refs to Thatchers in HunterdonCo but I've never seen their name in the same sentence with a Van Sant......hmmm! Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Ed has just reported in from the BurlingtonCo Library with what I think is a majorly important find. "I found a rec where william hatcher sold land to a joshua van sant in hunterdon co NJ in 1753." Hee-haw!! And then did this Wm move down to LoudounCo?? Is this the Joshua who md Catherine Johnston? Did he sell his land in Kent, MD and move to NJ? Or is he possibly the brother of our Ann VS? Paul or anyone - any thoughts on this Joshua and who he might be?? I have to say, too, that Ray (and his wife) is taking a break from his researching to celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary this weekend!! But he'll be back next week and I DO think we'll have a new list for him..... Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Gary, I found ref to John's will on the Dorset site at http://www.opcdorset.com/MarnhullFiles/MarnhullWills.htm but nothing about Dina. I wonder of Travell was trying to indicate only that Dina was the dec'd John's wife rather than implying she, too, died about the same time. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood I've started this timeline for all our PA/NJ Hatchers and just with this much, the burning question must be.....where was Wm for 25 yrs until he appeared in LoudounCo, VA? It looks to me like he owned a small amt of land, got married and shortly after, sold his land. Did he and others move to NJ? Looking at his kids' dates, there are several gaps. Did he have another son or two who lived/died in NJ before Wm's 1781 will? Perhaps the father(s) of all those stray NJ Hatchers? And Ed has returned from his NJ research trip and will send me his finds tomorrow or next. He says he may have found more worms :-) Nel --------------------------- 1718 - Wm Hatcher witnesses will of Wm Rakestraw, PhilaCo 1724 - Jeremiah Dungan sells 34A to Joseph Hatcher (Thatcher?) ----------Wm Hatcher appears on 1724 Bucks Tax list (what type of tax?) ----------Joseph Hatcher appears on same list? 1726 - Joseph Hatcher (Thatcher?) sells same 34A to Wm Hatcher. 1727-11-13 - Wm Hatcher md Ann VS in BurlingtonCo, NJ 1728-4-10 - Wm sells 34A to Ruth Croasdale.

Nel, I regoogled for 'John Hatcher Dina Murnhull" and found the same reference. Here is the abstract: [XLS] FMAGDALEFile Format: Microsoft Excel 523, 3g.Joane b 14/12/1660 Marnhull, Dorset. 524, 4g.John HATCHER bp 8/6/1663 d Marnhull Adm 9/1707 DA mar Dina d Marnhull w 13/2/1707/8 pr 1707 DA ... homepage.ntlworld.com/richardtravell/richardtravell/F%20MAGDALEN.xls When I clicked on the link, I got a spreadsheet for transcribed parish records; however, the line in the abstract could not be found in the spreadsheet. I also, linked to Ricard Travell's home page which has several databases but I still can't find the same information. Richard's home page is at: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/richardtravell/richardtravell/ Note, according to the abstract both John and Dina d. 1707-1708. Gary

Just incase anyone is interested, I have info on this Akins/Hatcher connection at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hatcher-akins Thanks much Doris for posting this orbit!!!! Regards, William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. M Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:36 AM To: HATCHER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HATCHER] Obit: J.R. Akins - 1928 - 2008 Monroe, LA This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DorisPetty87 Surnames: Akins - Hatcher - Shumake - Wilkinson Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.hatcher/1856/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Obituaries published on May 15, 2008 The Ouachita Citizen, LA posted Friday, May 16th, 2008 @ 11:24 am J.R. Akins Mr. J. R. Akins, 80, of Monroe, passed away Monday, May 12, 2008, in Monroe. Memorial services were at 4 p.m. Wednesday, May 15, at First United Methodist Church of Monroe with Rev. Larry Stafford officiating. Arrangements were by Kilpatrick Funeral Home of Monroe. Visitation was Wednesday evening. Survivors include his wife of 53 years, Jimmye Dee Hatcher Akins; daughter, Pamela Akins Shumake and husband, Steve, and their children, Morgan, Sam and Jack; daughter, Melissa Akins Wilkinson and husband, Gregg, and their children, Kristy and Lauren; brother-in-law, Douglas Hatcher and wife, Barb; sisters-in-laws, Mrs. Jean Hatcher of Winnfield, and Mrs. Dorothy Akins of Oberlin; and many other loving family members. Donations in his memory can be made to First United Methodist Church Building Fund or The Shriners Children's Hospital in Shreveport. Online condolences: www.kilpatrickfuneralhomes.com. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood I'm afraid Gary got me going and I went back to the online Dorset parish records. And I'm quite sure they've added much more since I last surfed it. Below are the records I found and the names just jump out at you..... Is Wm, s/o John-Dina, our Quaker Wm? Is Joseph, s/o Edmund, the Joseph of the 1726 BucksCo deed? But isn't Nicholas too old to be the bondsman for the Mary Hatcher Sands wedding of 1747? And he appears not to have had a dau Mary. Is Wm above really ours or is he the Wm further below who md Mary c1722? If so, he wasn't in America witnessing a deed in 1718. Have we struck out here? Nel _____________________ William son of John & Dina HACHER baptised 14-May 1700 (PR) Elizabeth daughter of John & Dina HACHER baptised 10-Jul 1702 (PR) Richard son of Edmond & Rebeca HACHER baptised 03-Jan 1700 (PR) Joseph son of Edmond & Rebeca HACHER baptised 25-Jan 1702 (PR Thomas son of Edmond & Rebeca HACHER baptised 03-Jan 1704 (PR) George son of Edmond & Rebecca HACHER baptised 19-Nov 1705 (PR) Robert son of Nicholas & Anne HACHER baptised 14-Sep 1701 (PR) John son of Nicholas & Anne HACHER baptised 30-Mar 1703 (PR Richard son of Nicholas & Anne HACHER baptised 27-Dec 1705 (PR) John son of Nicholas & Ann HACHER baptised 20-Aug 1708 (PR Mary daughter of Frrancis & [blank] HACHER baptised 13-Feb 1702 (PR Mary daughter of Ffrancis & Mary HACHER baptised 06-Jun 1704 (PR Ann daughter of Ffrancis & Mary HACHER baptised 13-Feb 1705 (PR William son of Ffrancis & Mary HACHER baptised 21-Feb 1707 (PR John son of Ffrancis & Mary HACHER baptised 11-Nov 1711 (PR Sarah daughter of Ffrancis & Mary HACHER baptised 24-Oct 1714 (PR) Jane daughter of Francis & Mary HATCHER baptised 27-Jan 1717 (PR) Hannah daughter of Thomas & Hannah HACHER baptised 21-Dec 1710 (PR Eideth daughter of Thomas & Hannah HACHER baptised 27-Nov 1712 (PR Mary daughter of Thomas & Hannah HACHER baptised 10-Feb 1713 (PR George son of Thomas & Hannah HACHER baptised 09-Apr 1717 (PR Edith daughter of Richard & Mary HACHER baptised 04-Mar 1710 (PR John son of Richard & Mary HACHER baptised 31-Mar 1712 (PR Thomas son of Richard & Mary HACHER baptised 26-Dec 1713 (PR Bettey daughter of Richard & Mary HACHER baptised 10-Jan 1715 (PR) Richard son of Richard & Mary HATCHER baptised 17-Jul 1718 (PR) Sarah daughter of Richard & Mary HATCHER baptised 22-Mar 1720 ( John Hacher son of Edward & Joan ROADS baptised 18-Nov 1714 (PR) (HUH?) Edmund son of Edmund & Anne HATCHER baptised 01-Jan 1717 (PR Joseph son of Edmond & Anne HATCHER baptised 31-Oct 1719 (PR Hanah daughter of Edmond & Ann HATCHER baptised 15-Feb 1721 (PR Edmund son of Edmund & Anne HATCHER baptised 14-Mar 1723 (PR Hanah daughter of William & Mary HATCHER baptised 22-Aug 1723 (PR Mary base born daughter of Ann HATCHER baptized 30-Aug 1725 Mary daughter of Richard & Rachell HATCHER baptised 22-Oct 1722 Annover daughter of Richard & Rachaell HATCHER baptized 20-Feb 1724 Rachael daughter of Richard & Rachael HATCHER baptized 04-Dec 1727 Honour daughter of George & Hannah Hatcher baptised 07-Apr 1735 (BT& William son of George & Hannah Hatcher baptised 07-Dec 1736 (BT&PR Hannah daughter of George & Hannah Hatcher baptised 17-Jan 1742 (BT&PR Mary daughter of Thomas & Elizabeth Hatcher baptised 01-Jan 1738 Mary daughter of Thomas & Elizabeth Hatcher baptised 06-Feb 1739 Richard son of Thomas & Elizabeth Hatcher baptised 30-Jan 1743 (BT) 1742 Mary base born daughter of Elizabeth Lambert baptised 28-Feb father Thomas HATCHER 1743 Margery daughter of John & Mary Hatcher baptised 15-Nov (BT

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Gary, I like your thinking and your theory on Ann's possible connection to Quaker relatives makes sense. What I'm not sure about is a connection to Richard. But I am fairly positive there had to be a "brother" or "cousin" with William who would have been the father of Mary Hatcher Sands. Nicholas may be that person or he may have been Mary's brother. Or Joseph, if he was a Hatcher and not Thatcher, could be that person. I also agree that being a wheelwright does not indicate a man of wealth, further reinforcing my idea that Wm may have been older than believed before he was sufficiently able to support a wife/family. Being much more middle class would also reduce his opportunities for showing up in lots of records, making him a good deal harder to find......... And now I eat my words! The names John and Dina rang a bell and, sure enough, they're on our file with son, William, AND a son, Richard. The problem....no idea how most of these kids became attached but I believe most would have come from Brit Bob many eons ago. I'm guessing I was able to find online the Dorset Parish recs for the baptisms of Wm and sister, Liz, but not the other kids. But tell me what google terms you used to find John and Dina. I'd like to update our file if the info you found is solid. Thanks a bunch! New clues to follow up on.....one of these days! Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Dean, you sweet thang! You're buttering me up so I'll do your censi lookup for you - LOL! Soonly and sometime today, I'll get to it :-) Nel

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DorisPetty87 Surnames: West - Hatcher - Farley Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.hatcher/1857/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thomasville Times YADKINVILLE - Mary Catherine "Kitty" West, 71, of Liberty Church Road in Yadkinville, formerly of Lexington, died Wednesday, March 12, 2008, at Forsyth Medical Center. Mrs. West was born in Forsyth County, N.C. on June 19, 1936, to Jesse James Hatcher and Leona Virginia Farley Hatcher. She was a homemaker and of the Baptist Faith. She was preceded in death by her parents; husband, Robert Junior West on March 19, 2007; brothers, Lacy Hatcher, Edward Hatcher, Kenneth Hatcher and, twin brothers, John Hatcher and Albert Ackers. Funeral service will be held at 2 p.m. on Saturday at Davidson Funeral Home Chapel with the Rev. Billy Sloop officiating. Burial will follow in Byerly Family Cemetery. The family will receive friends from 6 to 8 p.m. Friday at Davidson Funeral Home and at other times at the home of son Darrell West, located at 142 Archie Lane in Lexington. Online condolences may be made at www.davidsonfuneralhome.net. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DorisPetty87 Surnames: Akins - Hatcher - Shumake - Wilkinson Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.hatcher/1856/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Obituaries published on May 15, 2008 The Ouachita Citizen, LA posted Friday, May 16th, 2008 @ 11:24 am J.R. Akins Mr. J. R. Akins, 80, of Monroe, passed away Monday, May 12, 2008, in Monroe. Memorial services were at 4 p.m. Wednesday, May 15, at First United Methodist Church of Monroe with Rev. Larry Stafford officiating. Arrangements were by Kilpatrick Funeral Home of Monroe. Visitation was Wednesday evening. Survivors include his wife of 53 years, Jimmye Dee Hatcher Akins; daughter, Pamela Akins Shumake and husband, Steve, and their children, Morgan, Sam and Jack; daughter, Melissa Akins Wilkinson and husband, Gregg, and their children, Kristy and Lauren; brother-in-law, Douglas Hatcher and wife, Barb; sisters-in-laws, Mrs. Jean Hatcher of Winnfield, and Mrs. Dorothy Akins of Oberlin; and many other loving family members. Donations in his memory can be made to First United Methodist Church Building Fund or The Shriners Children's Hospital in Shreveport. Online condolences: www.kilpatrickfuneralhomes.com. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Nel, I don't care what anyone says, that magnificent brain of yours just means that you really are smarter than the average bear.......... Kudos Kid............. Dean Taylor ************* Ah-right, then! I did a little more searching, too. And it does seem as if there wasn't really an age requirement. So.....on our file we have.... "Ann HATCHER was listed as a witness TO HER DAUGHTER "Ann HATCHER was listed as a witness TO HER SON Thomas's did not identify their relationship so I'm saying.....how is it known that Ann Hatcher was THE MOTHER? Here is the problem....... InThen in 1773, Ann, the dau of John/Sarah Ingledue, witnessed the wedding of her uncle, Thomas. She would have been about 10 and possibly even a few years older. And in 1779 Wm Jr md Mary McGrew. The timeline works............whatcha' think? Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So, as usual, we will just keep on looking and hoping something we need pops up!! I will do some more checking on the Sands/Nick and Mary Hatcher business. I didn't read all the Quaker Sands entries that closely and there are some other things I can look at too. Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

I don't usually make suppositions about genealogy; because, today's supposition might become tomorrow's unproven fact (especially with the internet). These 'facts' also seem to propagate themselves very quickly and become almost impossible to correct. With that be said, here goes: 1. How William and Ann may have become connected to the Quakers? After the death of Ann's parents I believe that she and some of her siblings may have been taken in by her mother's sister Rebecca and her husband Johannes HENDRICKS, who were Quakers. My records were lost due to a computer crash; however, I remember getting an inquiry once from a Hendricks descendent concerning this. This would explain the connection that William and Ann had with the Quakers. 2. The parents of William? There is a record of a William Hacher (sic) s/o John and Dina Hacher baptized in 1700 in the Marnhull, Dorset, England parish records. After 1700 the spelling in the record for John and Dina is changed to Hatcher. I googled John and Dina and found death dates of 1707 for John and Dina, and another of 1720 for John. This seems to be a good possible match for our William, note Williams first born son is named John (possibly after his grandfather) and there is also a son Thomas (possibly after his great grandfather Dorset John's father). 3. William and possibly one sibling (Richard) may have come to the colonies after their parents death as indentures or apprentices (becoming a wheelwright would have required an apprenticeship). Orphaned children were often placed into indenture and/or apprenticeships. That is enough supposition for now and maybe a little more to research. Tks, Gary Hatcher

I guess it is possible that the younger Ann signed as a witness to both her uncle Thomas and her uncle George (who married in 1778) but I would be curious to see the list of witnesses who signed at these weddings and exactly where they signed the certificate as that sometimes has a bearing on who the witnesses were in relation to the bride and groom--especially in the case of their parents. Also, sometimes the parents are mentioned in the upper part of the certificate also. I don't have copies of these myself. Swathmore has the original Goose Creek records, I think, but will check and see if they are on microfilm in Salt Lake City unless someone else has copies already? These particular marriage records might actually be in the Fairfax MM Records. There was a meeting house at Goose Creek as early as 1749 but I don't know who actually held these early records. Goose Creek became a Preparative Meeting in 1774 and then a Monthly Meeting in 1785. Burnis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood And I think this hi-lites the importance of seeing the complete "record." If we were to see Ann's name in the middle of her siblings, we could be pretty sure who we're dealing with, or as you said, if she was listed in the parent's spot of honor, we would know this was mama. But in this case, I think I can say with some assurance that my Notes are not correct in flatly stating that the witness Ann Hatcher was the mother in all cases. At the same time, while this is not an earthshaking problem, a remarriage for Wm Sr to a Mary would certainly solve that deed and date problem. Otherwise, it's still hanging out there clouding up the picture. And, also, at the end of this day, I've been unable to find squat on Stephen Sands, Mary and Nick Hatcher :-( Nel