Ouch, I don't like being alone. Thanks, now I can complain to an ISP that always tries to blame it on someone else. Don't let those gremlins out or I will get back in the closet. Thanks, Winnette

I am only getting one of each message. Should I feel left out? Burnis **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Am I the only person who often receives duplicate emails from Rootsweb? I have had 2 of all the Hatcher mail today, not one behind the other, but at later times. I am receiving duplicates from the Ancestry Message board posts as well. You know me, I don't want to be the only one. I like to share my problems :) Winnette

In a message dated 6/17/2008 4:53:12 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, billh@billhatcher.us writes: Hello Martha - The URL (address) is slightly off. Use: http://usgwarchives.org/pa/philadelphia/ and it should work fine. Note the change of the period (.) to a slash (/) between ORG and PA. It should work for you just by clicking on it but if not, copy/paste it from this email into your web browser. Regards. -- Bill Hatcher Virginia_Bill billh@billhatcher.us Thanks, Bill. It worked great. Martha **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Must be that black cloud you're sitting under, Winnette.....all by yourself :-) The gremlins are coming, the gremlins are coming!! Nel

Martha, Go to Google and type in "genealogy sites". Go to US Genealogy Sites by State by State. I clicked on Pennsylvania. There you have several options. So if the other link is not working or if I made a mistake typing it, try this?way of getting into it. -----Original Message----- From: NFarmWell@aol.com To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:00 pm Subject: Re: [HATCHER] US GenWeb Site with Quaker names In a message dated 6/16/2008 2:46:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jimshirleyross@aol.com writes: http://usgwarchives.org.pa/philadelphia/ I can't seem to get this web address to work....but I am very interested in looking at this site. Could you double check the address for me? Thanks, Martha ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Martha - The URL (address) is slightly off. Use: http://usgwarchives.org/pa/philadelphia/ and it should work fine. Note the change of the period (.) to a slash (/) between ORG and PA. It should work for you just by clicking on it but if not, copy/paste it from this email into your web browser. Regards. -- Bill Hatcher Virginia_Bill billh@billhatcher.us -- -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of NFarmWell@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:01 AM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] US GenWeb Site with Quaker names In a message dated 6/16/2008 2:46:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jimshirleyross@aol.com writes: http://usgwarchives.org.pa/philadelphia/ I can't seem to get this web address to work....but I am very interested in looking at this site. Could you double check the address for me? Thanks, Martha ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 6/16/2008 2:46:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jimshirleyross@aol.com writes: http://usgwarchives.org.pa/philadelphia/ I can't seem to get this web address to work....but I am very interested in looking at this site. Could you double check the address for me? Thanks, Martha

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Shirley, I am still buried in data provided by our group and the documents rec'd from NJ yesterday. At this point, I'd ask that you hold off on more on the Rakestraws until I can catch up. As we progress, I suspect we will start pinpointing specific non-Hatcher individuals in an effort to tie them all together. But I've already seen many, many recognizable Quaker surnames all gathered in the same small area shown on the 1681 Penn plat map - Janney, Pancoast, Haines, etc. And while it seems obvious now that our Wm Hatcher was not born a Quaker, he and Nicholas were certainly surrounded by them. marrying into and traveling with........ Nel

>From the US Gen Web Project, the first section is from Philadelphia. I just typed some names I recognized. Web address is http://usgwarchives.org.pa/philadelphia/ There is a lot more, this is just a beginning. List of names of the Carpenter's Company of the City and County of Philadelphia in 1786: Isaac Coats* Josiah Matlack John Nichols* Samuel Pancoast Joshua Pancoast* Joseph Rakestraw William Rakestraw* Joseph Rakestraw* Joseph Rakestraw Jr. Isaac Zane William Zane * Indicates deceased members Various Philadelphia Monthly Meeting Authorized Marriages - 1600s - 1700s Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 6/27/1697??? Grace Rakestraw and Nathaniel Zane 2/29/1737??? Grace Rakestraw and Tobias Griscomb 11/31/1723?? Jane Roberts and John Nichols The Philadelphia Directory and Stranger's Guide for 1825, p. 114 Rakestraw, John, tailor, 279 S. Front Rakestraw, Joseph, printer, 254, d. h. 256 N. 3rd Randall, Joseph, house carp., 103 S. 9th This list does not appear in MM minutes or Smith's or Proud's books. Prepared by the New Jersey Historical Society. Marriages performed for the first 32 years after the settlement of Pennsylvania by the British. Again I just copied names I recognized. You might check out this web site for your own family names. 1691 James Coates and Mary Watson 1696 Thomas Coates and Buelah Jawes 1699 Thomas Griffith and Catherine Knowles 1701 Randall Janney and Frances Righton 1705 William Rakestraw and Elizabeth Archer 1706 William Coates and Mary Smith 1707 John Sharp and Elizabeth Green 1708 Joseph Drinker and Mary Janney 1709 Edward?Cadwalader and Rebekah Moore 1710 Pentecost Teague and Eliza Janney 1713 John Zelly and Margaret Howell George Coats and Grace Sneed 1714 Thomas Chalkley and Martha Brown

Shirley, My Hatcher family is in the Dorset/Quaker line proven through my DNA testing. My great great grandfather was William Zane Hatcher born 1825 in Philly. His father was John born in NJ. Old family notes say that we are related to the Zane family somehow and I do have a photo from WZ's own family photo album circa mid to late 1800's showing a Nancy Ann Zane. I'm hoping some of these non-Hatcher names will prove to be a link to placing my family with the rest of the Philly/Bucks Co/Burlington Co Hatchers. I also remember coming across the name Rakestraw somewhere within my 10 years of family research but can not find anything in my notes so far. Thanks to you and all the posters for the help, Bob Hatcher Mountaintop, Pa. </HTML>

Is the info on these families helpful to anyone and do you want we to continue to trace these lines? The last one I'm related to is the Hannah Rakestraw that married Abraham Haines. But I will keep looking if it's helpful or I could look for connections with Lippincotts, Stokes, Skidmores & Inskeeps to name a few. Shirley Hatcher Ross

I have another gremlin that sends my e-mail before I click send - just sent 2 unintended sends?a couple of minutes ago. The question marks don't matter except that I don't want people to think I put them in questioning the material I am submitting. That's all! -----Original Message----- From: Rena Worthen <doreatr@rbnet.com> To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? What does all this matter.??? Lets Move on to real HATCHER research. I never heard anything about my question about death certificate of Lucy Ellen Hatcher . ----- Original Message ----- From: <BrunetteGiraffe@aol.com> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? > If you do a google search on "subject line" and "question marks" you will > find a few different reasons why the question marks are inserted into the > subject > line. Usually it has to do with the way the characters in the subject line > are translated by your mail server. > > Just my two cents... > > Patricia > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood I just found the 1693 Tax list for BucksCo and in Middleton we find Bartho and Jos Thatcher (daddy Richard was dead). Many of these names can be found on the 1681 plat map so this is definitely the area both Wm and Nick were living. NO Hatchers there in 1693. Here is the description for this tax.... "the rate of one peny per poind upon the cleare vallue of all the real & personall estates & six shellings per head upon such as are not otherwaise rated by this act" So everyone got taxed at least 6 shillings, whether they owned property or not. http://ftp.rootsweb.ancestry.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/bucks/taxlist/1693tl01.txt?cj=1&o_xid=0001027214&o_lid=0001027214 Nel

I have another gremlin that sends my e -----Original Message----- From: Rena Worthen <doreatr@rbnet.com> To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? What does all this matter.??? Lets Move on to real HATCHER research. I never heard anything about my question about death certificate of Lucy Ellen Hatcher . ----- Original Message ----- From: <BrunetteGiraffe@aol.com> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? > If you do a google search on "subject line" and "question marks" you will > find a few different reasons why the question marks are inserted into the > subject > line. Usually it has to do with the way the characters in the subject line > are translated by your mail server. > > Just my two cents... > > Patricia > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: Rena Worthen <doreatr@rbnet.com> To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? What does all this matter.??? Lets Move on to real HATCHER research. I never heard anything about my question about death certificate of Lucy Ellen Hatcher . ----- Original Message ----- From: <BrunetteGiraffe@aol.com> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? > If you do a google search on "subject line" and "question marks" you will > find a few different reasons why the question marks are inserted into the > subject > line. Usually it has to do with the way the characters in the subject line > are translated by your mail server. > > Just my two cents... > > Patricia > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, but I think I did include a subject. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hardy Nelson <rhnelson@ozarkisp.net> To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 3:40 pm Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? I think it's caused because you don't include a subject. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <nelhatch@hills.net> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D > Greenwood > > Shirley, > > I don't have a clue..... > > Gremlins??????????????? :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1501 - Release Date: 6/13/2008 6:33 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood For those who want a copy of Wm/Ann's land grant in FairfaxCo, VA, thanks goes to Jan Wilbank's for transcribing it........ Library of Virginia Northern Neck Land Grants (image online) Transcribed by Jan Wilbanks The Right Honourable Thomas Lord Fairfax Baron of C------- in that part of Great Britain called Scotland Proprietor of the northern neck of Virginia To all to whom this present writing shall come sends Greeting. Know ye that for good causes for & in consideration of the composition for my use paid and for the annual rent hereafter reserved, I have given granted and confirmed, And by these presents for me my heirs and assigns Do give and grant and confirm to William Hatcher of Pennsylvania a certain tract of waste land in the county of Fairfax, And bounded according to a Survey thereof made by Amos Janney as in followeth. Beginning at a Spanish and white oak Saplin being the So West corner of Abel Janney's survey & extending thence West One hundred and eighty poles to a small black oak in a Line of Thomas Janney's second Survey, thence South Two hundred and Seventy poles to five small black oaks near the head of a Drein, thence East one hundred and eighty poles to two small black oaks corner to Jacob Janney Blacksmith, thence North Two hundred and Seventy poles to the first station Containing three hundred acres, Together with all rights members & appurtenances thereunto belonging. Royal mines Excepted and a full third part of all Lead Copper Tinn Coals Iron mines and Iron ore that shall be found thereon. To have and to hold these Three Hundred acres of Land Together with all rights, profits and benefits to the same belonging or in any wise appertaining, Except before Ezcepted, To him the sd William Hatcher his heirs and assigns forever; He the sd William Hatcher, his heirs, and assigns therefore Yielding and Paying to me my heirs or assigns or to my certain attorney or Attorney's Agent or Agents or to the certain Attorney or Attorneys of my heirs and assigns Proprietors of the sd northern neck yearly and every year on the first day of St. Michael the Archangel the fee rent of one shilling sterling money for every fifty acres of land hereby granted and to proportionably for a greater or lesser quantity. Provided that if he the sd William Hatcher his heirs or assigns shall not pay the before reserved annual rent so that the same or any part thereof shall be behind or unpaid by the Space of two whole years after the same shall become due if Lawfully demanded. That then it shall and may be Lawfull for me my heirs or my assigns proprietors as afores'd my or their certain attorney or attorneys agent or agents into the above granted premises to Reenter and hold the same so as if this grant had never Pass'd Given at my office in the county of Fairfax within my sd Proprietary under my Seal Witness my agent & attorney fully authorized thereto Dated the twenty third day of June in the Eighteenth year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord George the Second by the grace of God of Great Britain France and Ireland King Defender of the Faith One thousand seven hundred and forty four. William Hatcher Deed W (illegible) for 300 acres of Land in Fairfax County

Not sure what your question was about Lucy ellen but I have a death notice for her --- On Sun, 6/15/08, jimshirleyross@aol.com <jimshirleyross@aol.com> wrote: > From: jimshirleyross@aol.com <jimshirleyross@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? > To: hatcher@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 12:51 PM > -----Original Message----- > From: Rena Worthen <doreatr@rbnet.com> > To: hatcher@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 6:40 pm > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? > > > > What does all this matter.??? Lets Move on to real HATCHER > research. I > never heard anything about my question about death > certificate of Lucy Ellen > Hatcher . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <BrunetteGiraffe@aol.com> > To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] ???? > > > > If you do a google search on "subject line" > and "question marks" you will > > find a few different reasons why the question marks > are inserted into the > > subject > > line. Usually it has to do with the way the characters > in the subject line > > are translated by your mail server. > > > > Just my two cents... > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and > nightlife. City's Best > > 2008. > (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Excellent, Gary! And you're right about those bonds. If it's anything like Rachel's bond in NJ, it'll be very informative. I had also wondered about Rebecca, Nick's wife. But while I have no problem believing an older wife may have left a husband, my thinking on this is that I still have a few stray Hatchers bn mid 1700s who seem born too late to be sons of men born 1700-1710. So I suspect we've still got some missing blanks in this pic. Another problem I'm seeing from the tax lists Ed sent is that Nick paid one of the smallest amounts compared to neighbors, indicating he owned only a small amount of land. Many times in this situation, you will find no will or estate recs because the kid(s) avoid the costs of court probating by agreeing among themselves on who gets what. That makes it tougher to find info on them and leaves us hunting for the more obscure records. Ed is ready to rock and roll again so will put the Lucy Robbins collection on his list....... Nel