Nel, I saw the current file but thought that you just didn't have time to move Hannah up to "wife" status yet. Things are sure moving fast Bob </HTML>

Nel can explain it better than I can but I believe that Hannah is now figured to be that first wife of William Hatcher. Rachel Zane would be William's second wife and the mother of Thomas, John & William Coates Hatcher. Hannah Hatcher later would wed William Stokes and make her move to Warren Co. Ohio. Nel, did you ever look at the possibility that Hannah could be William Hatcher's sister and William Stokes would then be her one and only husband? Bob Hatcher </HTML>

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood And speaking of "moving fast", I just took a look at my timeline again and there's no way that Wm/Rachel could be the son of Nicholas as I said in my earlier post today. Because Hannah was born 1774, she has to be a dau of Wm Sr. This means Wm Sr was born before 1754 and I had said he was probably born c1742 (since I believed he was the Wm in the 1763 BucksCo Tax list). But our timeline has this entry......... 1753 - Wm Hatcher of Burlington, NJ sells land to Joshua Van Sant. This Wm had to be born before 1733 and I really doubt he would be the one who md Rachel in 1790 (over 57 yrs old) and having kids 10 yrs later. And that creates a new mess for us. We have our Wm/Ann VS "of PA" in 1744. We have a Wm bn bef 1733 in NJ in 1753. We have a Wm/Rachel bn bef 1754 in NJ. We know Wm/Ann appeared in the Quaker recs in 1754 but we really don't know when they moved there. It's possible while they rec'd their land grant in 1744, they may have moved to Burlington first and not taken up residence in VA til 1753-54 after they sold their NJ land to Joshua. I know this time lapse can happen since my own ggfather rec'd a grant for Iowa land in 1844 and did not move there for close to another 10 years. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Bob, Better check our file again. I now have Hannah back to being a dau of Wm Sr by a 1st wife, based on new dates/recs being found. I've also eliminated the Coates name from both father and son. That name appears to have come from a very poor census reading for Wm Jr and in looking at it again, there's no way you can prove it to be Coates. The best I can say is that his middle initial was C. Wm Sr is never found with any middle name or initial so can't even say they're a true Sr and Jr. I also can't say for sure whether Rachel was a Zane or the widow of a Zane. Stay tuned......things will probably change again tomorrow :-) Nel

Don't know what happened with my earlier forward - hope this one goes through OK. Janet Paxton ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Janet, You can't forward msgs to these lists. It's much like trying to send attachments - not allowed. Nel

I see that I had the relationship between William Hatcher (apprentice) and Hannah (Hatcher) Stokes. Hannah Hatcher was the daugther of William Hatcher of Burlington with his first wife LNU. This would make Hannah the step daugther of Rachel (Zane) Hatcher and the half-sister of young William the apprentice to Hannah's husband William Stokes. Gary

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Gary, Yes, we have the Stokes info but still with questions. Who was Hannah Hatcher's father if not William by a 1st wife? And I now know that Rachel may not have been a Zane but perhaps the widow of Nathan Zane, one Rachel Jenkins who md Nathan in 1775. I've found that Nathan left a will and died in 1788, just 1-2 yrs before Rachel md William Hatcher. And so far I've not found any of the many Zanes in Burlington with a dau named Rachel of the right age. I've not yet found the complete text (or even a good abstract) for Nathan Zane's will but Rachel and Aaron Pancoast (another familiar Quaker name) were the executors. You again mentioned the Heaton name which I had mentioned earlier - a Robert Heaton in early 1700s Bucks and then 90 yrs later Wm Hatcher of Burlington is bondsman for Robert Heaton's wedding. So far I'm not seeing anything that would spoil my belief that Wm of Burlington is Nicholas's son. I currently have him bn bef 1753 (dau Hannah bn 1774) but I suspect he was born c1742. I will mention something else I've noticed among several of the men in this NJ picture - many marry later than we are used to seeing - late 20s to early 30s. Nathan Zane was 31 when he md Rachel Jenkins. And I think I understand why. Most of these people were tradesmen who did not own large amts of land (to pass onto their sons). Reading the indenture for Wm Jr, we find how strictly his actions were controlled, right down to no fornicating and no contract to marry. His indenture began when he was only 9 yrs old and ended at age 21 and all he had was a trade. He would have to work a number of years before he was capable of supporting a wife or kids. >From a 1797 tax list we know that Wm Sr owned only 122A and was himself probably some sort of tradesman. Rachel wasn't kidding in her documents when she described herself as a "poor widow." Nel

Can you imagine having to make or repair wooden wheels back then? It must have been a sight to behold. I praise them for the fortitude they had. Now a days, with all the modern battery operated gadgets, it would be difficult to some of us, but, back then, pure muscle.....Winnette

Wheelwright a popular trade of the times or popular trade of NJ hatchers and acquaintances. "William Stokes, the fourth child of Jarvis Stokes and Elizabeth Rogers, was born in Burlington County, New Jersey, 1-14, 1779. He married 4-8, 1798, Hannah Hatcher, of the same county, who was born 8-11, 1775, and settled and resided in Burlington county until 5 mo., 1817. He was a wheelwright by trade, and engaged in the manufacture of wagons." Bikerbob **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Hi Nel, Received this email today and thought you may be interested. My Hatchers had already left the area before these documents were issued, so I'm not interested. Janet Paxton Yorba Linda, CA ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

I just noticed that you already have information on William Stokes and Hannah Hatcher. It is interesting that Rachel (Zane) Hatcher is suing her step-daughter's husband/William's step-uncle. There are also alot of other related surnames in the Stokes genealogy. Particulary the Haines and Heaton families. Still looking, Gary

Here is an interesting find on the Stokes family genealogy page. http://home.comcast.net/~jameslstokes/stogen.htm 5William Stokes, son of 4Jarvis Stokes and Elizabeth Rogers, m. Hannah Hatcher, dau. of _____ _____. Children were- Link to Parents 6Rebecca, b. 3-23, 1799 m. Brazilla Ivins; d. 8-19, 1835 6Jarvis, b. 1-6, 1801 m. Mary Belsford; d. 7-15, 1849 6Joel A., b. 12-16, 1802 m. Mary Hathaway; d. 8- , 1852 6John E., b. 8-11, 1804 died 3-14, 1808 6Franklin, b. 3-10, 1806 died 4-21, 1857 6Unity, b. 6-11, 1808 m. David Wills; d. 7-7, 1833 6 Granville W., b. 9-26, 1810 m. 1839, Jane Robinson d. 5-19, 1882 6Benjamin A., b. 9-3, 1812 m. 1841, Maria L. Mulford d. 8-14, 1849 6Caroline, b. 10-1, 1814 m. 1833, James Graham; d. 6-30, 1894 6Elizabeth A., b. 2-23, 1816 m. John McCowen d. 8-2, 1897 S.P. 6William H., M. D., b. 7-22, 1820 m.1849, Susannah Throckmorton. 6 Hannah, b. 1-6, 1823 m. 1841 John Simonton William Stokes deceased 8-17, 1838 Hannah, his wife, deceased 5- , 1858 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 98a William Stokes, the fourth child of Jarvis Stokes and Elizabeth Rogers, was born in Burlington County, New Jersey, 1-14, 1779. He married 4-8, 1798, Hannah Hatcher, of the same county, who was born 8-11, 1775, and settled and resided in Burlington county until 5 mo., 1817. He was a wheelwright by trade, and engaged in the manufacture of wagons. Up to this last date there had been born to his union ten children, nine of them living-John E. alone having departed this life-the eldest, Rebecca, being eighteen years old, and the youngest, Elizabeth Ann, one year old. With these nine children, and his wife William Stokes left New Jersey in a train composed of two ordinary road lumber wagons loaded with mover's outfit, and after a journey of near two months arrived in Lebanon, Waren county, Ohio, 7-4th following. The trip across the country, over the mountains and through the valleys, was without particlular incident or mishap, and the entire family reached their destination in unusual health and spirits. The region of country over which they traveled presented new scenes daily. Over the rolling surface was the varied arrangement of woodland and field, with log farm houses and barns attesting separate possessions. There were frequent brooks and wide rivers, narrow, winding country roads, not roads lined with fences, but along whicht the birches, the elderberries and the sumach grew, with wild grapevines and clamatis climbing to the top of the majestic and sturdy oaks that seemed to stand guard for the safety of the travelers. The journey was made at a time when nearly the entire trade and travel of the county was by team over dirt roads, and through a country where bridges spanned only a few of the rivers, with long and steep hills and high mountains to climb and descend, and often, for days through the solid forests, the sun only to be seen at high noon, with the wagons for sleeping aprartments, and the roadside for a kitchen; where men, and even women and children, walked for days that the wagons might be lightened over the rocks and in the mire. We can form some idea of the force and character of this courageous couple, as they contemplated and completed such an arduous journey, leaving behind them the sacred ties of home, fond parents, brothers and sisters; but it illustrates the character of William Stokes and his faithful. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 98 b consort. Son after arriving in Warren county, William Stokes settled on a farm one and one half miles south of Lebanon, and soon after purchased a farm of 160 acres in Clear Creek township, near Utica, in Warren county, for which he gave seventeen dollars per acre, upon which was a double log house, a log stable, and thirty-five acres of land cleared for cultivation, to which he moved in the spring of 1818, and where he passed the remainder of his happy life. William Stokes was strong physically and mentally; full of life and energy, and whatever he undertook he accomplished, if it was possible of accomplishment. He was fond of Company, made himself agreeable to others, and was honored and respected by all. He took much interest in the education of his children, and had them apply themselves assiduously to their books, and provided them with works tending to broaden and strengthen their minds. He was of a jovial nature and happy turn of mind, and readily adapted himself to events and surroundings-a man of honest purpose and high character-a man among men; he transmitted to his children these characteristics, and after his death, his memory is resplendent with those jewels that "man doth leave after him." He died after a short illnes, 8 mo., 17th, 1838. The good woman who had been his constant companion and helpmate through life, was, like him, strong in mind and body. She possessed many rare qualities, and inspired her children with ambition. She ever kept a watchful eye over them, and maintained their united confidence to the last. She was a woman of unusual energy and determination, and these qualities were slackened only by the weakness of age. In religion she and her husband caste their lot with the Society of Friends, or Quakers, and to the end maintained their belief that "there is a spirit in man, and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding." After the death of her husband she continued to reside on the farm where the famiy had lived since coming to Ohio, and at the ripe age of four score and three, she died on the 18th day of 4 mo., 1858, having lived twenty years after her husbnad's death. They had born to them twelve children, seven sons and five daughters, all of whom grew to manhood and womanhood ecxept John E. W. J. W. S.

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood I still have a few more of the Rachel docs to transcribe and Ed is planning another BucksCo research adventure in a week or two. I expect it will take about that long to get the estate recs for Wm Sr from the NJ Archives............so y'all take a break and we should have something new for you in a week or two........ Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Folks, I've just transcribed one of the most interesting documents I've ever seen. It gives a unique look at how our very average ancestors lived. It also made me aware of why we have so many brick walls with family who never owned land and lived quiet lives outside the legal system. Had this contract not been violated and ended up in court, this Wm may never have left a record tying him to family, leaving us scratching our heads forever. http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I11029&tree=QHatch Enjoy......and don't ask me what "playhouses" means 'cause I just might tell you :-) Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Folks, Below is the msg I just rec'd from FTDNA. This is a GREAT offer for those of you who have taken only the 12 or 24 marker test to upgrade to 37 markers at a 25% discount. I would like to see ALL of our eligible testers take advantage of this offer and assistance will be offered to those who have a tighter budget. Nel -------------------- Dear Hatcher Administrator, Family Tree DNA has been an industry leader in helping families find lost connections. As a result, the size of our database is unmatched and has achieved critical mass, allowing more and more family members and even adoptees or descendants of adoptees to find their biological paternal lines, including the surname of the original family. Are there missing Hatcher's among these adoptees looking for their connection to this direct paternal line? In an effort to help answer that question Family Tree DNA is offering, for the first time ever, a discount on all Y DNA upgrades! We will be notifying each participant in the database who qualifies for this offer by email, and will provide them a direct link they may use to take advantage of this upgrade. There will be no need for participants to contact us directly in order to receive the reduced price; our prices will be adjusted in the system accordingly. The offer will be from June 20th to June 30th. During this time, Family Tree DNA will reduce all of our Y-DNA upgrade prices. On average, the reduced prices will be 25% lower than the original upgrade price. This is a great opportunity to increase the data in your surname project. Are there members who have been hesitant to upgrade due to price? This rare discount is an opportunity for them to upgrade and help both their group and potential lost relatives at the same time. When encouraging members to upgrade, you may wish to note that genetic matches allow people to find their biological lines rather than a specific individual. This promotion is for upgrades only and does not apply to new kit orders. It's our way to thank past customers for their patronage. As always, we appreciate your continued support. Family Tree DNA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DorisPetty87 Surnames: Hatcher - Porter - Haywood - Plaugher - Jennings - Essex - Erb Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.hatcher/1864/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Beverly J. Porter Hatcher Comments 0 | Recommend 0 June 14, 2008 - 7:09PM Beverly J. Porter Hatcher, 49, died at 7 p.m. June 12, 2008, at The Ridge at Shawnee. She was born Nov. 14, 1958, in Lima to David Earl and Marjorie Patricia Courtney Porter. Her father preceded her in death. Her mother and stepfather, Ralph Reed, survive in Lima. She had been married to Joseph Hatcher Jr., who survives. Ms. Hatcher was a homemaker and had been a cook in restaurants. Survivors also include three sons, Joseph Hatcher III, of Tennessee, David (Marla) Hatcher, of Cridersville, and Joshua Hatcher, of Lima; two daughters, Amanda (Donald) Haywood, and Francresa (Douglas) Plaugher, of Lima; eight grandchildren, Tyler Hatcher, Selena Plaugher, Dakottah Hatcher, Gavin Hatcher, Curtis Haywood, Jasmine Plaugher, Kordell Hatcher and Corey Haywood; a stepgranddaughter, Aerial Haywood; two brothers, David Porter, of Lima, and Tim Porter, of Wapakoneta; three sisters, Cathy (David) Jennings, Lynette (Gary) Essex and Sherri (Jeff) Erb, all of Lima; and her best friends, Rosezane and Kenny Pollard, of Tennessee. Services will begin at 10:30 a.m. Monday at Bayliff & Son Funeral Home, Cridersville. Major Phil Tamayo will officiate. Burial will be in Walnut Hill Cemetery, New Hampshire. Friends may call from 2 to 4 and 6 to 8 p.m. today at the funeral home. Memorial contributions may be made to the activities fund at The Ridge at Shawnee or the American Diabetes Foundation. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Nel, "Pearl Zane Grey" is the actual birth name of the famous western writer. I don't blame him for dropping the Pearl though. His family tree is here: http://www.zgws.org/famtree2.html 2 familys - the Zanes and the Grays - Zane Grey for some reason changed the spelling of his last name from Gray to Grey. Who knows why. Bob </HTML>

Shirley, William Zane Hatcher's children with first wife Carolina W. Brittin were daughters Frances Brittin Hatcher & Mary Ellen Hatcher Broker - sons Manning Wilford Hatcher (my gg grandfather), Gifford Julian Hatcher, & James Brittin Hatcher - all born in Philadelphia. William's second wife was Ellen Rebecca Wright and with Ellen having sons Elmer E. and Sherman William Hatcher - Ellen and the boys all born in Plymouth, Pa. Bob Hatcher </HTML>

You and the elves are the amazing ones. BTW, Pearl Zane Gray's great great great grandparents were Nathaniel Zane and Grace Rakestraw so I'm on it already. LOL! Bob </HTML>