HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood "it begs me to state again: This location is quite a far piece from Elbert Co. GA, not just across the river as was stated several times earlier...." Yes, Newberry/Union Cos are not near GA or ElbertCo. But where Tom/Wilm lived when they raised their kids is irrelevant. It is where Wilmoth and the kids all ended up that sets the "location" of this story. As adults, several of these kids were "just across the river" from their mother and other sibs.....all in a nice little circle. Nel

Another point of interest to evaluate! In going back over all my notes on Mj. John, Thomas & sons, I see something that I am not sure has ever been brought up? It may have but have read and looked at so much over the last week or so I may have forgotten? Anyway, so here goes: Reubin Hatcher signed and was a witness to a deed of gift Mj. John filed in Crawford County GA on 10th April 1835. Reubin Hatcher signed and was a witness to the execution of Mj. John's will on Tenth day of April 1835. (Wilkinson County GA) Notice the dates are the same? So this puts Reubin with Mj. John in 1835.... Odd this has not been noticed before? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:33 PM To: HATCHERLIST Subject: Re: [HATCHER] second try, guess map blocked everything? HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, We'll start with this msg: You stated "We know EdgefieldCo is the only place Tom/Wilmoth were known to have lived." First, there are a number of Peters creeks in SC per USGS. The one between the Broad and Tyger where Tom/Wilm lived was on the county line of Newberry and Union. It is located halfway between Whitmire and Shelton and a bit south. Don't get too concerned with Berkley. I discovered some years ago how confusing these "districts" could be. And it does not matter if Berkley ceased to exist a year before this grant. I've been told by the experts and discovered it myself that recording clerks would too often record these deeds 2-3-4 yrs later under the old district name and not the new. The key to location is the actual reference points referred to in the deeds. And it was my error to say Tom/Wilm lived in Edgefield. It was only Wilmoth and her 2 sons in 1790 Edgefield living near son, Tom Jr, on Turkey and Stevens creeks. These creeks are now in McCormick (formerly Edgefield) halfway between McCormick and Liberty Hill, close to the Savannah and directly across from LibertyCo, GA (Strom Thurmond Lake). "Or are you referring to the Little River on the GA side that is the boundary for Columbia County GA?" Yes. Looking at today's map, the Little River looks more like it's just part of Strom Thurmond Lake. So you have Tom Jr and Wilm across the river on Turkey creek and you have Col James and Henry/Vick living near the Little River with Wm/Pris just north in ElbertCo. I have no answers why Capt Tom is not in the official records. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM

I have her listed as birth c1726? What ever happened to the "Robert" that was listed as a son of Tom/Wilmoth? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:56 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] question HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood "Anyone got any thoughts on why Wilmoth, spouse of Thomas was in Gwinett County, Georgia, see record below, she would have been over 100 years old?" Yes, see Reuben's page at http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I4071&tree=WmtheIm And she was probably about 90 in 1828. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM

Ok, then that clears some of that up, but with what you stated, and I agree on the Peters Creek location in Newberry/Union as that is what I finely came up with, it begs me to state again: This location is quite a far piece from Elbert Co. GA, not just across the river as was stated several times earlier... William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:33 PM To: HATCHERLIST Subject: Re: [HATCHER] second try, guess map blocked everything? HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, We'll start with this msg: You stated "We know EdgefieldCo is the only place Tom/Wilmoth were known to have lived." First, there are a number of Peters creeks in SC per USGS. The one between the Broad and Tyger where Tom/Wilm lived was on the county line of Newberry and Union. It is located halfway between Whitmire and Shelton and a bit south. Don't get too concerned with Berkley. I discovered some years ago how confusing these "districts" could be. And it does not matter if Berkley ceased to exist a year before this grant. I've been told by the experts and discovered it myself that recording clerks would too often record these deeds 2-3-4 yrs later under the old district name and not the new. The key to location is the actual reference points referred to in the deeds. And it was my error to say Tom/Wilm lived in Edgefield. It was only Wilmoth and her 2 sons in 1790 Edgefield living near son, Tom Jr, on Turkey and Stevens creeks. These creeks are now in McCormick (formerly Edgefield) halfway between McCormick and Liberty Hill, close to the Savannah and directly across from LibertyCo, GA (Strom Thurmond Lake). "Or are you referring to the Little River on the GA side that is the boundary for Columbia County GA?" Yes. Looking at today's map, the Little River looks more like it's just part of Strom Thurmond Lake. So you have Tom Jr and Wilm across the river on Turkey creek and you have Col James and Henry/Vick living near the Little River with Wm/Pris just north in ElbertCo. I have no answers why Capt Tom is not in the official records. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM

This is all that I got on Thomas Hatcher, just in case you have something that might be of use on the Thomas research? Some of it might be outdated? The first two children of Thomas: Jameston and William, (** see note below) moved to NC/TN prior to 1790, probably just before or in the opening days of the Revolutionary War. Jameston's son John married Eve Morris 6 Jan 1790 in WashingtonCo, NC (now TN). The only other children that can be identified are Robert, John and Thomas, shown as heads of household in the 1790 census of EdgefieldCo, SC. In addition Reuben appears in 1800 and Dempsey in 1810 as heads of household. Although nameless, both Reuben and Dempsey can be identified in Wilmoth Hatcher's household in 1790. In 1800, Dempsey with wife and son, age 7-8, can again be found in Wilmoth's. In 1810 the roles are reversed with Wilmoth now in Dempsey's household, both his wife and son are missing. Since Dempsey doesn't appear on the 1820 census, he may well have been the first of three brothers to move to Georgia. Robert and John disappear after 1790. ----------------------- ** Note: At one point in time, date Unknown, a particular researcher had Jameston, brother of this Thomas, dead in 1757 based on the will of one James Hatcher. It has since been proven that James who died in 1757 was NOT Jameston. It also appears that other researchers, including Mrs D A Lamoreaux, on the assumption that Jameston, brother of Thomas, was dead, have assumed that Jameston and William could only be the sons of Jameston's brother, this Thomas. There are many records in both NC and TN referring to one Jameston Hatcher. These records indicate that they apply to Jameston Hatcher, husband of Sarah Hay, and brother of Thomas. All evidence found at this time indicates William is the son of Jameston. It is my belief that the researcher must proceed with extreme caution in making any assumptions regarding the families of this Thomas Hatcher. --------------------------- >From Jerry Proudfit: He advises there were 6 other Unknown children between Robert and John, and that Reuben was born just after John. Note: I have seen no documentation to prove 6 other children. -------------------- Note: There is considerable controversy as to when Wilmoth was born. Some say 1725, others say 1740. If she was indeed bn c1725, then the birth dates of her children make sense. If she were bn c1740, she cannot be the mother of Robert, assuming his birth date is correct. >From ChesterfieldCo, VA Deed Bk 5, 1764-1768, p 187, by Weisinger: I, Jeffrey Robertson of Chesterfield Co, for good causes, but especially because Mary Condrey, Wilmoth Hatcher, and Frances Moor, parceners and daughters of William Blankenship, dec'd, have with their husbands, acknowledged a deed to convey to Henry Mills, 100 acres, part of a tract granted by patent to said Blankenship, and on a division to said parceners, fell to Wilmoth Hatcher and her husband, Thomas Hatcher, grant to Thomas Hatcher 100 acres, including plantation he lives on. 28 July 1761. Wit: Robert Elam, John Condre, Jacob Ashhurst. Signed: Jeffery Robertson, Recorded 7 Aug 1761. ____________ Hatcher, John SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 061 1790 01-00-02-00-00 Hatcher, John SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 063 1790 01-00-00-00-00 Hatcher, Lucy SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 062 1790 01-01-02-00-00 Hatcher, Robert SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 063 1790 01-00-00-00-00 Hatcher, Thomas SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 067 1790 01-03-01-00-00 Hatcher, Wilmirth SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 066 1790 01-01-01-00-00 _________ P.10 South Carolina, Royal Grants, Vol. 15. p. 580. South Carolina Dept. of Archives and History, Columbia, S.C. Grant to Thomas Hatcher for 250 acres in Berkeley County in the fork between Broad and Saludy River on a small branch of Tyger River called Peters Creek, bounding N.E. & N.W. by part on land of Capt. Samuel Anbrey and part vacant, S.E. part on land said to be laid out for Isaac Fitchlin and part vacant, other sides vacant land. 13 July 1770.P.11 South Carolina Memorials, Vol. 10, p. 196, South Carolina Dept. of Archives and History, Columbia, S.C. A memorial exhibited by Thomas Hatcher to be registered in the Audrs. Ofice of a plantation or tract of land containing 250 acres situate in Berkeley County on a small branch of Tyger River called Peters Creek in the fork between Broad and Saludy Rivers, bounded N.E. & N.W. part by Capt. Samuel Anbrey and part vacant, S.E. part on Isaac Fitchlin and part vacant, other sides vacant. Survey Certified 21 Mar. 1770 and Granted 13 July 1770 to the memorial list. __________ This indenture made this sixth day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and fifty eight between Ann Hatcher and Jameston Hatcher and their son, Thomas Hatcher, of the County of Chesterfield of the one part and Garret Walthall of the same county of the other part. Witnessed that the said Ann Hatcher Jameston Hatcher and Thomas Hatcher for and in consideration of twenty pounds current money to them in hand paid the receipt whereof they doth hereby acknowledge hath granted, bargained and sold released and confirmed and by these presents doth grant, bargain, sell, release, enforce and confirm unto the said Garret Walthall and to his heirs and assigns forever one certain parcel of land in the aforesaid County of Chesterfield on the south side of James River joining the river containing fifty acres, more or less, to the beginning on the north side of the plantation, that formerly did belong to Thomas Knibb, at a corner black oak standing in a path, thence going down to the Ware as it is marked out so down James River to Tanners line so up the said Tanners line to the Spring run, thence up the said Spring run to corner pine standing on a brow of the hill, thence to a elbow chestnut tree, thence as it is marked out to a corner black oak the place begun at including the aforesaid fifty acres of land more or less, with all houses, building, orchards, low grounds, swamps, meadows and all the profits and commodities whatsoever to the same belonging to the said Garret Walthall, his heirs and assigns forever and the said Ann Hatcher, Jameston Hatcher and Thomas Hatcher against them their heirs and assigns and against all other person claiming by form or under them, moreover the said Ann Hatcher, Jameston Hatcher and their son, Thomas Hatcher, them, their heirs and executors doth warrant and defend the claim of all such costs and damages whatsoever that should come against the said Garret Walthall his heirs or assigns forever for the said land or profits belonging to it or anywise appertaining and with all to pay all costs recovered by any court or jury for the said Ann Hatcher, Jameston Hatcher and Thomas Hatcher hath hereunto set their hands and seals the day and year above written. Signed, sealed and delivered in the presence of us Ann Hatcher (LS) her mark Thomas Walthall, Abraham Bowman, Gerrard Walthall Jameston (X) Hatcher (his mark) Thomas Hatcher (his mark) Memorandum that livery and sea..n on the sixth day of October one thousand seven hundred fifty eight and delivered by the within mentioned Ann Hatcher, Jameston Hatcher and their son Thomas Hatcher to the within mentioned Garret Walthall in form and effect of the within written deed. Received of Garret Walthall twenty pounds current money it being the contents of the within written deed. At a court held for Chesterfield County, October 6, 1758 this deed was acknowledged by Ann Hatcher, Jameston Hatcher and Thomas Hatcher parties thereto and ordered to be recorded. Note: This deed appears to be selling the fifty acres Thomas Hatcher inherited from his grandfather, Thomas Knibb, 1747. >From ChesterfieldCo, VA Deed Bk 5, 1764-1768, p 187, by Weisinger: I, Jeffrey Robertson of Chesterfield Co, for good causes, but especially because Mary Condrey, Wilmoth Hatcher, and Frances Moor, parceners and daughters of William Blankenship, dec'd, have with their husbands, acknowledged a deed to convey to Henry Mills, 100 acres, part of a tract granted by patent to said Blankenship, and on a division to said parceners, fell to Wilmoth Hatcher and her husband, Thomas Hatcher, grant to Thomas Hatcher 100 acres, including plantation he lives on. 28 July 1761. Wit: Robert Elam, John Condre, Jacob Ashhurst. Signed: Jeffery Robertson, Recorded 7 Aug 1761. Chesterfield County, Virginia Deed Book 4, Page 536-537 LDS Film 30888 Hatcher &c to Condrey} It Whom thes presents have come greeting. Know that we Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth Hatcher, William Moore and Frances Moore of Chesterfield county for diverse good Causes and considerations thereunto us moving, have given granted aliened enfroffed and confirmed and by these presents for ourselves and each of our heirs executors and administrators do freely clearly and absolutely give grant alien enfroff and confirm unto William Condrey and Mary his wife of the County aforesaid and the their Heirs and Assigns forever one hundred Acres of land be the same more or less situate lying and being in the County aforesaid bounded as followeth, to wit; Beginning on Winterpock Creek thence a new line North sixty five degrees East thirty four poles to a Scrub white Oak, thence on the ____(?) line north one hundred and forty poles to a black oak West one hundred and fory eight poles to Winterpock Creek thence down the meander of the Creek to the beginning a dividend of land descended to Mary Wilmoth and Francis _____(?) Daughters of William blankenship deceased, with all homes orchards gardens woods underwoods waters and water Courses thereunto belonging or in anywise appurtaining. to have and to hold possess and endy the said land and premises with the appurtenances and all Profits and advantages to the same belonging or in anywise appurtaining with the Reversion and Reversions, Remainder and Remainders to them the said William Condrey and Mary his wife and to their heirs and Assigns forever, and the same the said Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife, William Moore and Frances his Wife doth Warrant and by these presents forever defend from any person or persons as can or may now or hereafter lan any just Right Title Interest Claim or Demand in or to the above said land and Premises or any part or parcel thereof. In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands and affixed our Seals this Twenty-eighth day of July in the year of our lord Christ one thousand seven hundred and Sixty one. Thomas Hatcher Wilmoth (her X mark) Hatcher William (his X mark) Moore Frances (her X mark) Moore Signed sealed and Delivered In the Presence of Jacob Ashurst Robert Elam John Condrey Memorandum. That livery and S____(?) of the within land and premises was made and given by the within named Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth Hather, William Moore and Frances Moore to the within named William Condrey and Mary his wife and to their heirs and Assigns forever. Thomas Hatcher Wilmoth (her X mark) Hatcher Wm (his X mark) Moore Frances (her X mark) Moore In presence of the witnesses hereunto Subscribed Jacob Ashurst Robert Elam John Condrey At a court held for Chesterfield county August 1761 The within deed from Thomas and Wilmoth Hatcher and William and Frances Moore to William Condrey and his wife was proved by the oaths of Jacob Ashurst, Robert Elam and John Condrey witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded. Test Ben Watkins CCC ---------------------------------- >From ChesterfieldCo, VA Deed Bk 5, 1764-1768, p 187, by Weisinger: I, Jeffrey Robertson of Chesterfield Co, for good causes, but especially because Mary Condrey, Wilmoth Hatcher, and Frances Moor, parceners and daughters of William Blankenship, dec'd, have with their husbands, acknowledged a deed to convey to Henry Mills, 100 acres, part of a tract granted by patent to said Blankenship, and on a division to said parceners, fell to Wilmoth Hatcher and her husband, Thomas Hatcher, grant to Thomas Hatcher 100 acres, including plantation he lives on. 28 July 1761. Wit: Robert Elam, John Condre, Jacob Ashhurst. Signed: Jeffery Robertson, Recorded 7 Aug 1761. Note: The 100A granted to Thomas Hatcher was on Deep Creek. Thomas sold it to Robert Elam Jr for L12:10 in September 1761. Chesterfield County, Virginia Deed Book 4, Pages 540-541 LDS Film 30888 Hatcher to Elam} This Indenture made this twenty ninth day of September one thousand seven hundred and sixty one between Thomas Hatcher of the county of Chesterfield of the one part and Robert Elam jun of the aforesaid County of the other part, Witnesseth that the said Thomas Hatcher for and in the consideration of the sum of twelve pounds ten shillings in _____(?) money of virginia to him in hand paid by the said Robert Elam he doth hereby _________(?) and himself fully satisfied herewith have given granted bargained and sold aliened enfeoffed and confirmed and by these presents do give grant bargain sell alien enfeoff and confirm unto the said Robert Elam and his heirs forever one certain Tract or parcel of land lying on a branch of Deep Creek in the county aforesaid containing by estimation one hundred acres conveyed to the said Thomas Hatcher by Jeffrey Robertson bounded as followeth, to wit, beginning on Thomas Lockells line thence bounded by Jeffrey Robertson the other lines together with all houses woods waters and water Courses. To have and to hold, possess and enjoy the said tract or parcel of land with all the appurtenances thereunto belonging unto the said Robert Elam to him and his heirs To the only proper use and behoof of him and his heirs forever. The said Thomas Hatcher doth further agree with the said Robert Elam that he will forever hereafter Warrant and Defend the aforesaid lands and premises from himself his heirs Executors administrators and from any other person or persons whatsoever laying any claim Right or demand to the said or parcel of land. In Witness whereof the aforesaid Thomas Hatcher hath hereunto set his hand and affixed his seal the day & year above written. Thomas Hatcher Signed Sealed and delivered In presence of us Thomas (his X mark) Moore Hudson (his X mark) Blankenship Robert Hancock At a court held for Chesterfield county February 1762. The within deed from Thomas Hatcher to Robert Elam jun was acknowledged by the said Thomas party thereto and ordered to be recorded. Test. Ben Watkins Cl Court ------------------------------------- Washington Co, TN Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions 1778-1798, Vol 1, TN State Library and Archives: p 124: 1780 for William Hatcher re: parcel of corn in hands of William Hatcher p 188: Nov 1782 for Thomas Hatcher It is not clear if the above mention of Thomas is this Thomas and his son, William, but records indicate that Jameston, brother of Thomas, was also in WashingtonCo, TN in this time frame. ----------------------- South Carolina Archives Microcopy Number 12 (copy of original) Thomas Hatcher 250 Acres A Memorial exhibited by Thomas Hatcher, to be registered in the Audr's Office, SC of a plantation or tracts of land containing two hundred and fifty acres, situate in Berkeley County on a small branch of Tyger River, called Peters Creek, in the fork between Broad and Saludy Rivers. Bounding NE & ---- part on Capt Samuel Aubrey and part vacant land, SE part on land of Isaac Fitchlin and part vacant, the other sides on vacant lands survey certified the 21st March 1770 and granted the 13th day of July 1770 to the Memorialist at the quit rents of 3/ster or 4/Prov Money per 100 Acres, to commence two years from the date. In witness whereof he hath hereunto set his hand the 21st Aug 1770. Aubrey Noland Enoch Pearson, D.S ------------------------- South Carolina Memorials: Abstracts of Land Titles Volume I, 1774-1776 Abstracted by Jesse Hogan Motes III & Margaret Peckham Motes. Memorial Book 2: 19 July - 29 Mar. 1776 JOHN ANDERSON, 22 Aug. 1775: 250 acres in Berkeley County in fork of Broad and Saludy Rivers on Nobles Creek on a small branch of Enoree River. Bounded N on John Robinson and vacant land; SW on Thomas Hatcher; other sides vacant. Survey certified 3 April 1775; granted [no date]. Quit rent in 2 years. E. Pearson, DS. [2-303:2] Note: Based on other plat maps identifying Thomas Hatcher's land, his neighbors at one time or another were John Robinson, William Nobols, John Anderson, John Portman, Williamson Liles, John Liles, Reuben Jones, Shanhale/Sharshale Grasty, Isaac Fitchlin. -------------------------- The following record seems to show that Thomas was leasing his 250 acres to Aubrey Noland. South Carolina Archives (copy of original) South Carolina Thomas Hatcher to Ansbrey Noland This Indenture made the first day of December in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Seventy in the tenth year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord George the third by the grace of God of Great Britain France and Ireland ---- Defender of the Faith Between Thos Hatcher Shoe Maker of Berkeley County in South Carolina of the one part and Ausbey Noland gent of the County aforesaid of the other part. Witnesseth that for and in consideration of the Sum of Twelve Shillings current Money of the Said Province to me in hand well and truly paid by the said Aubrey Noland at and before the sealing and Delivery hereof the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged Hath bargained and sold and by these Presents doth bargain & sell and the said Aubrey Noland his exers admors and assigns a certain plantation or tract of Land contaning on the Whole two hundred & fifty acres situated lying and being in the fork between Broad & Saludy Rivers in the Province aforesaid on a branch of said River called Tiger River and on a branch of Tiger River called Peters Creek and butting and bounding on the North East & N West part on land of Capt Saml Aubrey & part vacant & S Eastwardly part on land said to be laid out to Isaac Fitchlin the other sides on vacant land and hath such shape form and marks as are represented by a Plat thereof to the Original Grant annexed together with all and singular the said --- orchards, fences, ways, wells, (writing fades out but continues the usual description of land inclusions), and appurtenances whatsoever to the said two hundred fifty acres of land belonging or anywise appertaining and the ------ ------- remainder and remainders thereof and of every part & parcell thereof to have and to hold the said two hundred and fifty acres of land & all and singular other the premises herein before mentioned and intended to be hereby bargained and sold & every part and parcell thereof with these and every of their appurtenances unto the said Aubrey Noland his Exors Admors & assigns from the day next before the day of the Date of these presents for and during the full time and unto the full end and term of one whole year from thence next ensuing and fully to be compleated and ended yielding and paying unto the said Thos Hatcher his Exors & Admors the rent of one hopper (popper?) corn on the last day of the said term of the same shall be lawfully demanded to the ---- and purpose that the said Aubrey Noland by virtue hereof and by force of the statutes for transferring of uses into possession may be in the actual possession of the premises herein before mentioned and intended to be hereby bargained and sold & every part & parcel thereof with their and every of their appurtanances & every --- thereby enabled to accept & take a grant & release of the provision and inheritance of the same to him and his heirs forever In Witness whereof the said parties to thes presents have hereunto interchangeably set their hands & seals this day and year first above written. signed Sealed & Delivered Thomas Hatcher (LS) In the Presents of us Jeremiah (his A mark) OCain Reuben Jones John Guttney Memorandum that on the 10th day of December on the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Seventy came before me one of his Majesties Justices assigned to keep the Peace. In Craven County in the Province of South Carolina personally came & appeared John Guttney and made Oath on the Holy Evangelists of Almighty God that he did see the within named Thos Hatcher and his wife sign seal and acknowledge and deliver the within Deed of Lease and release to and for the use within mentioned and --- also see Jeremiah OCain & Reuben Jones the other two witnesses sign their names as witnesses thereunto ot the acknowledging the within Deed ---- also see the said Thos Hatcher and likewise his wife subscribe their names to the receipt enclosssed on the back of said deed and that he did subscribe his own name as a witness. Sworn before me the day and date above written Recorded & Examined this 9th of June 1774 Note: This land lies in what is now Sumter National Forest halfway between Whitmire and Shelton and just a few miles south of center. Peters Creek is in current NewberryCo lying just south of the UnionCo border. If Thomas's land lay on the north side of the creek, part or all of it may have been in current UnionCo, SC. ---------------------------------- Just one day after the above deed was written, the following deed appears to show Thomas selling the 250 acres with the exception of the premises, or he is selling the entire property but is arranging to continue living on the premises. South Carolina Archives (copy of original) Thomas Hatcher & wife to Ansbrey Noland This Indenture made the Second Day of December in the year of our Lord One thousand Seven hundred and Seventy and in the Tenth Year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord George the third by the grace of God of Great Britain France & Ireland ---- Defender of the faith Between Thomas Hatcher Shoemaker of Berkeley county in south Carolina of the one Part and Aubrey Noland Gent of the County aforesaid of the other Part. Witnesseth that for and in consideration of the sum of Two hundred & fifty pounds Currant Money of the Province aforesaid to him the said Thomas Hatcher in hand at and before the Sealing and Delivery of these Presents by the Said Aubrey Noland well and truly paid the receipt thereof the said Thos Hatcher & Wilmoth his wife doth hereby acknowledge & thereof & of every part & parcel thereof doth requit release exonerate & discharge the said Aubrey Noland his heirs Exors & Admors & every of them forever by these presents they the said Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife Hath granted bargained sold alienated released and confirmed and by these presents doth fully freely clearly & absolutely grant bargain sell alien release and confirm unto the said Ausbrey Noland in his actual possession now being by virtue of a bargain and sale to him thereof made by the said Thomas Hatcher for one whole year for the consideration of twelve shillings by an Indenture of Lease bearing date the day next before the day of the date of these presents to commence from the day next before the day of the date hereof and sealed and delivered before the executing of these presents and also by force of the Statute for transferring of uses into possession. In that case made and provided and unto his heirs & assigns forever a certain plantation or tract of land containing on the whole two hundred and fifty acres more or less situate lying & being between Broad & Saludee Rivers on a branch of Tiger River called Peterses Creek butting and bounding N Eastwardly and Northwestwardly part on land laid out to Capt Saml Aubery & part vacant & South Eastwardly part on land laid to be laid out to Isaac Fitchlin & part vacant the other sides vacant land and hath such shape form & markers as are represented by a plat thereof to the Original Grant annexed together with all and singular the gardens orchards fences, ways, walls waters satercourses easements profits commodites advangages emoluments hereditements and appurtenances whatsoever to the said two hundred and fifty acres of land belonging or in anywise appertaining and the reversions & aversions remainder & remainders rents & dues & profits thereof & of every part and parcel thereof and also all the estate right title interest possession property profit claim & demand whatsoever either in law or equity which they the said Thos Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife now hath or ever had ------ He or his heirs hereafter shall may can or ought to have of onto or out of the said two hundred & fifty acres of land & other the premises with their & every of their appurtenances together with all deeds plats grants charters writings immu---ments whatsoever which they the said Thos Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife now hath in their custody or possession or can come by without suit in law or equity that do only concern the premises to have & to hold the said two hundred and fifty acres of land and all & singular other the premises hereby granted & released or meant & intended to be granted & released unto the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns to the only proper use & behoof of the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns forever and they the said Thomas Hatcher & Wilmoth his wife for themselves & their heirs the said premises hereby bargained sold granted & released with their and every of their appurtenances unto him the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns against all and all manner of person or persons whatsoever shall & will warrant & forever defend by these presents and the said Thomas Hatcher & Wilmoth his wife for themselves their heirs & admins doth covenant promise grant and agree to and with the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns by these presents in manner and form following that is to say that the said Thos Hatcher now at the time of the Sealing & Delivery of these presents is and standeth lawfully and absolutely seized of & in the said plantation & tract of two hundred and fifty acres of land & all and singular other the premises herein before mentioned & intended to be hereby granted and released & every part & parcell thereof with their & every of their appurtenances of a good --- ---- and absolute estate of inheritance in fee simple without any manner of consideration trust proviso poiwer of revocation or limitable of any use or uses or other restraint matter or thing to alter change defeat or evict the same and also that they the said Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife now hath in themselves good rightfull power & lawfull & absolute authority to grant release & confirm the said plantation or tract of two hundred & fifty acres of land and all and singular other the premises herein before mention'd and intended to be hereby granted & released & every part & parcel thereof with their and every of their appurtenances unto the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns forever as aforesaid and also that it shall & may be lawfully ---- for the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns (ink blot) at all times forever hereafter peaceably and quietly to enter into have hold occupy possess and enjoy the said plantation or tract of two hundred & fifty acres of land & all and singular other the premises herein before mentioned and intended to be hereby granted and released and every part and parcel thereof with their appurtenances without any other lawfull let suit trouble - molestation eviction or interception of them the said Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife their exor's Admors or any other person or persons whatsoever claiming or to claim by from or under them & free and clear and freely and clearly & absolutely requitted exonerated and discharged of and from all and all manner of formes & other gifts grants bargains sales uses wills intails --intures powers judgements executions charges and incumbrances whatsoever had made done committed or suffered by the said Thomas Hatcher & Wilmoth his wife or any other person or persons whatsoever lawfully claiming or to claim by from or under them and lastly that the said Thos Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife their heirs & all & every other person or persons lawfully claiming or to claim any estate right title trust or interest of or to the said plantation or tract of two hundred & fifty acres of land & all and singular other the premises herein before mentioned and intended to be hereby granted & released and any part and parcell thereof shall and will from & at all times hereafter at the reasonable request and proper costs & charges in the law of the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns make do acknowledge and execute or cause & procure to be made & done acknowledged and executed all & every such further & other lawfull reasonable act & acts thing & things conveyances & apurances in the law whatsoever for the further better and more perfect & absolute granting conveying & assuring the said plantation or tract of land of two hundred & fifty acres & all and singular other the premises herein before mentioned & intended to be hereby granted and released & every part & parcell thereof with these and every of their appurtenances to and for the us (ink blot) of the said Aubrey Noland his heirs & assigns (ink blot) or them or by his or their council ---- in the law shall be reasonably devised & advised & required In witness whereof we the said Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife have hereunto interchangeably set their hands & seals the day and year first above written. Thomas Hatcher (LS) Signed Sealed & Delivered Wilmoth (her + mark) Hatcher (LS) In Presents of us Jeremiah (his 5 mark) OCain Reuben Jones John Guttney Recorded & Examined this 9th of June 1774 William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America!

-----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of William W. Hatcher Sr. Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:40 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: [HATCHER] second try, guess map blocked everything? Nel, help me out on a few of the items you listed for clarification. You stated "We know EdgefieldCo is the only place Tom/Wilmoth were known to have lived." I am having some problems with the locations, this we think we know and have proof of by records: <P.10 South Carolina, Royal Grants, Vol. 15. p. 580. South Carolina Dept. of Archives and History, Columbia, S.C. Grant to Thomas Hatcher for 250 acres in Berkeley County in the fork between Broad and Saludy River on a small branch of Tyger River called Peters Creek, bounding N.E. & N.W. by part on land of Capt. Samuel Anbrey and part vacant, S.E. part on land said to be laid out for Isaac Fitchlin and part vacant, other sides vacant land. 13 July 1770.P.11 South Carolina Memorials, Vol. 10, p. 196, South Carolina Dept. of Archives and History, Columbia, S.C.> Now Berkeley County was at one time was quite large, but it was discontinued in 1769, a year before the above grant. OLD BERKELEY COUNTY (1683 - 1769) Created: 1683, discontinued 1769 One of the original "counties" created by the Crown for administrative purposes, this Berkeley County centered around Charleston and extended from the Stono River on the south to Seewee Creek (modern Awendaw Creek) on the north. See map above (1710) for modern counties represented in this area. NOTE: All records for this area were filed in Charleston and this is NOT modern Berkeley County. (Present day Berkeley County is on the coast) Now Peters Creek is nowhere near Edgefield County looking at my early SC map and using the point you sent. Also notice the town in the bottom left hand corner of the map, “Reuben” humm. I do think this is the right Peters Creek since it lies in the fork between the Saluda and Broad Rivers very close to the Tyger River as the record stated. If this is the right location, it is a long ways from GA, not just across the river as you stated? And it is a full two counties over from Edgefield… We know they were in Edgefield County from this: Wilmoth is found in the 1790 EdgefieldCo, SC census with 2 sons, 1 16+, 1 0-16. The importance of location: Little river cuts east GA into north and south. All of Maj John's sibs as on our file remained in north EdgefieldCo, SC, lived north of the river in Elbert/LincolnCo, or in WarrenCo, GA, Now this one you are going to have to expain a little, Little River according to the maps I have show it as a little short river just across the GA line from Lincoln and Elbert Counties running north and south and runs into the Savannah River on the SC side long before Columbia county GA. Or are you referring to the Little River on the GA side that is the boundary for Columbia County GA? Now, just as a side note. Tom/Wilm was a Capt in 1778 based on the pens app of a Richard Kirkpatrick. Yet I've no memory of ever seeing Tom listed on any RW "list" (official or otherwise) as a veteran and patriot. But just on the one record we have, it would seem to me the descendants of Tom should be eligible for DAR/SAR. I'm rather curious to know how/why he failed to get into the official records........ Now I am having a problem with this one as well, if he was indeed a Capt as stated in the Royal Grants record, then why can’t I find the grant listed anywhere or find a RW record for him? All insight and thoughts much appreciated, William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:11 AM To: HATCHERLIST Subject: [HATCHER] Maj John - the reasoning HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, There is no defining item or record. It is all a series of connecting dots based on multiple factors including feasability, location, time frame, documents, and logical reasoning. We will start with what we know and believe. We agreed we have no record, no dots, no nothing to connect John or Wm/Pris, etc to Robert of Richmond. We know Capt Ben of EdgefieldCo cannot be their father - a well-documented family. We are left to work with the only remaining Hatcher in the area - Tom/Wilmoth. The key was Dempsey's presence at the 1826 estate sale in BibbCo, GA, surrounded by Tharp family into which Elizabeth Hatcher, supposed dau of Maj John, married. Dempsey was not migrating thru, he was not living 10-20-30m away. He was a neighbor attending and buying at a local estate sale. He was the son of Thomas Jr, s/o Tom/Wilm, who lived in SC on Turkey creek near the Savannah and across from LincolnCo, GA. Just a bit north is ElbertCo, home of Wm/Pris. We also know that Maj John's son, Henry, died in BibbCo 1823 and the sale of his estate was held at the home of Vincent Tharp. We now have tied Dempsey, Elizabeth, and Henry together in a circumstantial way (location and time frame) that we were never able to do with Robert. We have them in the same room. And that goes beyond coincidence. We go back to Tom/Wilmoth. A record proves they were married before 1761. Had there been proof they were married after 1757, the year of John's birth, they would not likely have been John's parents. So they are still eligible as parents. Wilmoth is found in the 1790 EdgefieldCo, SC census with 2 sons, 1 16+, 1 0-16. They are who I believe is Dempsey (uncle of young Dempsey) and James/Martha Tate, born c1773 and 1775 respectively. It is logical and reasonable to believe Wilmoth did not have just 2 children born 15+ yrs after she married. There is much room to slot in other children. Wm/Pris's pens app states "Moved from Virginia in 1764 with his father and settled in Richmond Co. Georgia, five miles below Augusta, from whence he removed to Edgefield Co. S.C. where he first entered service about June 1778 as a volunteer private of infantry...." We know EdgefieldCo is the only place Tom/Wilmoth were known to have lived. We know we can't place Robert in SC in that time frame. 1764 is also the year Anne Knibb Hatcher, mother of Tom/Wilm, disappeared from ChesterfieldCo, VA. She ends up in LaurensCo, SC not far from Peter's creek where Tom/Wilm lived. Tom was a Capt in 1778 under Major Simmons. Maj John, Wm/Pris and James/Tate (1812) all served in the military. We have a houseful of "army brats" in this family. This is simply another "dot" to define a family lifestyle. The importance of location: Little river cuts east GA into north and south. All of Maj John's sibs as on our file remained in north EdgefieldCo, SC, lived north of the river in Elbert/LincolnCo, or in WarrenCo, GA, (earlier home of Maj John.) Some are found later in WilkinsonCo where Maj John died. There are minor connections to Augusta, RichmondCo (south of the Little) for marriages or residency in their later years but none of these people lived there in their earlier years. We have all of this family grouped in one area of north GA/SC. There is no document declaring John to be Tom's son. There is no document declaring Wm/Pris to be Tom's son. And there likely never will be. And my memory may be failing me, but I'm not sure we have any document that proves Wm/Pris is John's brother. We have, I believe, only slim circumstantial evidence of both of them being present in WilkinsonCo, GA at one point in time. Yet these 2 have been accepted as brothers for eons. We can, thru many documents, directly or circumstantially, connect various kids of Tom/Wilm. This family is all tied together by the cumulative effect of both the direct, indirect and circumstantial evidence. When the documents are not there or do not exist, you must build your case on what you have using sound logic and reason. We cannot pull an imaginary father out of the heavens who never left a footprint on this earth. The only logical conclusion is that Tom was the father of all those currently attached to him for we have no other possible Hatchers to draw from. And I would have no problem having a professional genealogist analyze this tree on the proper analysis of the evidence and the conclusions I've drawn from that evidence. In summary, 1) Tom/Wilm were there with no other possible candidates. 2) Tom/Wilm reasonably had more children than just the 2 young boys. 3) Their circa marriage date makes them candidates. 4) Wm's pens app states they removed from Augusta, GA to SC. 5) Wm's family arrived in 1764, the same date Anne Knibb Hatcher, Tom's mother, removed from VA. 6) Tom/Wilm and all kids lived in the same general area of northern SC and GA. Now, just as a side note. Tom/Wilm was a Capt in 1778 based on the pens app of a Richard Kirkpatrick. Yet I've no memory of ever seeing Tom listed on any RW "list" (official or otherwise) as a veteran and patriot. But just on the one record we have, it would seem to me the descendants of Tom should be eligible for DAR/SAR. I'm rather curious to know how/why he failed to get into the official records........ Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061  Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! William W. 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Anyone got any thoughts on why Wilmoth, spouse of Thomas was in Gwinett County, Georgia, see record below, she would have been over 100 years old? Gwinett County, Georgia Inferior Court Minutes, Page 132 LDS Film 310859 Ordered that Mrs Wilmouth Hatcher receive out of the County twenty dollars to be paid to the Overseer of the poor in Capt Strongs district. Asabel R. Smith J.G.C. G.M. Grisham J.G.C. Robert S. Adams J.G.C. Jany 14 1828 Attest Wm. Maltbie Clk. William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America!

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood "Anyone got any thoughts on why Wilmoth, spouse of Thomas was in Gwinett County, Georgia, see record below, she would have been over 100 years old?" Yes, see Reuben's page at http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I4071&tree=WmtheIm And she was probably about 90 in 1828. Nel

This is all that I got on Thomas Hatcher, just in case you have something that might be of use on the Thomas research? Some of it might be outdated? The first two children of Thomas: Jameston and William, (** see note below) moved to NC/TN prior to 1790, probably just before or in the opening days of the Revolutionary War. Jameston's son John married Eve Morris 6 Jan 1790 in WashingtonCo, NC (now TN). The only other children that can be identified are Robert, John and Thomas, shown as heads of household in the 1790 census of EdgefieldCo, SC. In addition Reuben appears in 1800 and Dempsey in 1810 as heads of household. Although nameless, both Reuben and Dempsey can be identified in Wilmoth Hatcher's household in 1790. In 1800, Dempsey with wife and son, age 7-8, can again be found in Wilmoth's. In 1810 the roles are reversed with Wilmoth now in Dempsey's household, both his wife and son are missing. Since Dempsey doesn't appear on the 1820 census, he may well have been the first of three brothers to move to Georgia. Robert and John disappear after 1790. ----------------------- ** Note: At one point in time, date Unknown, a particular researcher had Jameston, brother of this Thomas, dead in 1757 based on the will of one James Hatcher. It has since been proven that James who died in 1757 was NOT Jameston. It also appears that other researchers, including Mrs D A Lamoreaux, on the assumption that Jameston, brother of Thomas, was dead, have assumed that Jameston and William could only be the sons of Jameston's brother, this Thomas. There are many records in both NC and TN referring to one Jameston Hatcher. These records indicate that they apply to Jameston Hatcher, husband of Sarah Hay, and brother of Thomas. All evidence found at this time indicates William is the son of Jameston. It is my belief that the researcher must proceed with extreme caution in making any assumptions regarding the families of this Thomas Hatcher. --------------------------- >From Jerry Proudfit: He advises there were 6 other Unknown children between Robert and John, and that Reuben was born just after John. Note: I have seen no documentation to prove 6 other children. -------------------- Note: There is considerable controversy as to when Wilmoth was born. Some say 1725, others say 1740. If she was indeed bn c1725, then the birth dates of her children make sense. If she were bn c1740, she cannot be the mother of Robert, assuming his birth date is correct. >From ChesterfieldCo, VA Deed Bk 5, 1764-1768, p 187, by Weisinger: I, Jeffrey Robertson of Chesterfield Co, for good causes, but especially because Mary Condrey, Wilmoth Hatcher, and Frances Moor, parceners and daughters of William Blankenship, dec'd, have with their husbands, acknowledged a deed to convey to Henry Mills, 100 acres, part of a tract granted by patent to said Blankenship, and on a division to said parceners, fell to Wilmoth Hatcher and her husband, Thomas Hatcher, grant to Thomas Hatcher 100 acres, including plantation he lives on. 28 July 1761. Wit: Robert Elam, John Condre, Jacob Ashhurst. Signed: Jeffery Robertson, Recorded 7 Aug 1761. ____________ Hatcher, John SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 061 1790 01-00-02-00-00 Hatcher, John SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 063 1790 01-00-00-00-00 Hatcher, Lucy SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 062 1790 01-01-02-00-00 Hatcher, Robert SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 063 1790 01-00-00-00-00 Hatcher, Thomas SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 067 1790 01-03-01-00-00 Hatcher, Wilmirth SC EDGEFIELD DIST. 066 1790 01-01-01-00-00 _________ P.10 South Carolina, Royal Grants, Vol. 15. p. 580. South Carolina Dept. of Archives and History, Columbia, S.C. Grant to Thomas Hatcher for 250 acres in Berkeley County in the fork between Broad and Saludy River on a small branch of Tyger River called Peters Creek, bounding N.E. & N.W. by part on land of Capt. Samuel Anbrey and part vacant, S.E. part on land said to be laid out for Isaac Fitchlin and part vacant, other sides vacant land. 13 July 1770.P.11 South Carolina Memorials, Vol. 10, p. 196, South Carolina Dept. of Archives and History, Columbia, S.C. A memorial exhibited by Thomas Hatcher to be registered in the Audrs. Ofice of a plantation or tract of land containing 250 acres situate in Berkeley County on a small branch of Tyger River called Peters Creek in the fork between Broad and Saludy Rivers, bounded N.E. & N.W. part by Capt. Samuel Anbrey and part vacant, S.E. part on Isaac Fitchlin and part vacant, other sides vacant. Survey Certified 21 Mar. 1770 and Granted 13 July 1770 to the memorial list. __________ This indenture made this sixth day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and fifty eight between Ann Hatcher and Jameston Hatcher and their son, Thomas Hatcher, of the County of Chesterfield of the one part and Garret Walthall of the same county of the other part. Witnessed that the said Ann Hatcher Jameston Hatcher and Thomas Hatcher for and in consideration of twenty pounds current money to them in hand paid the receipt whereof they doth hereby acknowledge hath granted, bargained and sold released and confirmed and by these presents doth grant, bargain, sell, release, enforce and confirm unto the said Garret Walthall and to his heirs and assigns forever one certain parcel of land in the aforesaid County of Chesterfield on the south side of James River joining the river containing fifty acres, more or less, to the beginning on the north side of the plantation, that formerly did belong to Thomas Knibb, at a corner black oak standing in a path, thence going down to the Ware as it is marked out so down James River to Tanners line so up the said Tanners line to the Spring run, thence up the said Spring run to corner pine standing on a brow of the hill, thence to a elbow chestnut tree, thence as it is marked out to a corner black oak the place begun at including the aforesaid fifty acres of land more or less, with all houses, building, orchards, low grounds, swamps, meadows and all the profits and commodities whatsoever to the same belonging to the said Garret Walthall, his heirs and assigns forever and the said Ann Hatcher, Jameston Hatcher and Thomas Hatcher against them their heirs and assigns and against all other person claiming by form or under them, moreover the said Ann Hatcher, Jameston Hatcher and their son, Thomas Hatcher, them, their heirs and executors doth warrant and defend the claim of all such costs and damages whatsoever that should come against the said Garret Walthall his heirs or assigns forever for the said land or profits belonging to it or anywise appertaining and with all to pay all costs recovered by any court or jury for the said Ann Hatcher, Jameston Hatcher and Thomas Hatcher hath hereunto set their hands and seals the day and year above written. Signed, sealed and delivered in the presence of us Ann Hatcher (LS) her mark Thomas Walthall, Abraham Bowman, Gerrard Walthall Jameston (X) Hatcher (his mark) Thomas Hatcher (his mark) Memorandum that livery and sea..n on the sixth day of October one thousand seven hundred fifty eight and delivered by the within mentioned Ann Hatcher, Jameston Hatcher and their son Thomas Hatcher to the within mentioned Garret Walthall in form and effect of the within written deed. Received of Garret Walthall twenty pounds current money it being the contents of the within written deed. At a court held for Chesterfield County, October 6, 1758 this deed was acknowledged by Ann Hatcher, Jameston Hatcher and Thomas Hatcher parties thereto and ordered to be recorded. Note: This deed appears to be selling the fifty acres Thomas Hatcher inherited from his grandfather, Thomas Knibb, 1747. >From ChesterfieldCo, VA Deed Bk 5, 1764-1768, p 187, by Weisinger: I, Jeffrey Robertson of Chesterfield Co, for good causes, but especially because Mary Condrey, Wilmoth Hatcher, and Frances Moor, parceners and daughters of William Blankenship, dec'd, have with their husbands, acknowledged a deed to convey to Henry Mills, 100 acres, part of a tract granted by patent to said Blankenship, and on a division to said parceners, fell to Wilmoth Hatcher and her husband, Thomas Hatcher, grant to Thomas Hatcher 100 acres, including plantation he lives on. 28 July 1761. Wit: Robert Elam, John Condre, Jacob Ashhurst. Signed: Jeffery Robertson, Recorded 7 Aug 1761. Chesterfield County, Virginia Deed Book 4, Page 536-537 LDS Film 30888 Hatcher &c to Condrey} It Whom thes presents have come greeting. Know that we Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth Hatcher, William Moore and Frances Moore of Chesterfield county for diverse good Causes and considerations thereunto us moving, have given granted aliened enfroffed and confirmed and by these presents for ourselves and each of our heirs executors and administrators do freely clearly and absolutely give grant alien enfroff and confirm unto William Condrey and Mary his wife of the County aforesaid and the their Heirs and Assigns forever one hundred Acres of land be the same more or less situate lying and being in the County aforesaid bounded as followeth, to wit; Beginning on Winterpock Creek thence a new line North sixty five degrees East thirty four poles to a Scrub white Oak, thence on the ____(?) line north one hundred and forty poles to a black oak West one hundred and fory eight poles to Winterpock Creek thence down the meander of the Creek to the beginning a dividend of land descended to Mary Wilmoth and Francis _____(?) Daughters of William blankenship deceased, with all homes orchards gardens woods underwoods waters and water Courses thereunto belonging or in anywise appurtaining. to have and to hold possess and endy the said land and premises with the appurtenances and all Profits and advantages to the same belonging or in anywise appurtaining with the Reversion and Reversions, Remainder and Remainders to them the said William Condrey and Mary his wife and to their heirs and Assigns forever, and the same the said Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife, William Moore and Frances his Wife doth Warrant and by these presents forever defend from any person or persons as can or may now or hereafter lan any just Right Title Interest Claim or Demand in or to the above said land and Premises or any part or parcel thereof. In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands and affixed our Seals this Twenty-eighth day of July in the year of our lord Christ one thousand seven hundred and Sixty one. Thomas Hatcher Wilmoth (her X mark) Hatcher William (his X mark) Moore Frances (her X mark) Moore Signed sealed and Delivered In the Presence of Jacob Ashurst Robert Elam John Condrey Memorandum. That livery and S____(?) of the within land and premises was made and given by the within named Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth Hather, William Moore and Frances Moore to the within named William Condrey and Mary his wife and to their heirs and Assigns forever. Thomas Hatcher Wilmoth (her X mark) Hatcher Wm (his X mark) Moore Frances (her X mark) Moore In presence of the witnesses hereunto Subscribed Jacob Ashurst Robert Elam John Condrey At a court held for Chesterfield county August 1761 The within deed from Thomas and Wilmoth Hatcher and William and Frances Moore to William Condrey and his wife was proved by the oaths of Jacob Ashurst, Robert Elam and John Condrey witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded. Test Ben Watkins CCC ---------------------------------- >From ChesterfieldCo, VA Deed Bk 5, 1764-1768, p 187, by Weisinger: I, Jeffrey Robertson of Chesterfield Co, for good causes, but especially because Mary Condrey, Wilmoth Hatcher, and Frances Moor, parceners and daughters of William Blankenship, dec'd, have with their husbands, acknowledged a deed to convey to Henry Mills, 100 acres, part of a tract granted by patent to said Blankenship, and on a division to said parceners, fell to Wilmoth Hatcher and her husband, Thomas Hatcher, grant to Thomas Hatcher 100 acres, including plantation he lives on. 28 July 1761. Wit: Robert Elam, John Condre, Jacob Ashhurst. Signed: Jeffery Robertson, Recorded 7 Aug 1761. Note: The 100A granted to Thomas Hatcher was on Deep Creek. Thomas sold it to Robert Elam Jr for L12:10 in September 1761. Chesterfield County, Virginia Deed Book 4, Pages 540-541 LDS Film 30888 Hatcher to Elam} This Indenture made this twenty ninth day of September one thousand seven hundred and sixty one between Thomas Hatcher of the county of Chesterfield of the one part and Robert Elam jun of the aforesaid County of the other part, Witnesseth that the said Thomas Hatcher for and in the consideration of the sum of twelve pounds ten shillings in _____(?) money of virginia to him in hand paid by the said Robert Elam he doth hereby _________(?) and himself fully satisfied herewith have given granted bargained and sold aliened enfeoffed and confirmed and by these presents do give grant bargain sell alien enfeoff and confirm unto the said Robert Elam and his heirs forever one certain Tract or parcel of land lying on a branch of Deep Creek in the county aforesaid containing by estimation one hundred acres conveyed to the said Thomas Hatcher by Jeffrey Robertson bounded as followeth, to wit, beginning on Thomas Lockells line thence bounded by Jeffrey Robertson the other lines together with all houses woods waters and water Courses. To have and to hold, possess and enjoy the said tract or parcel of land with all the appurtenances thereunto belonging unto the said Robert Elam to him and his heirs To the only proper use and behoof of him and his heirs forever. The said Thomas Hatcher doth further agree with the said Robert Elam that he will forever hereafter Warrant and Defend the aforesaid lands and premises from himself his heirs Executors administrators and from any other person or persons whatsoever laying any claim Right or demand to the said or parcel of land. In Witness whereof the aforesaid Thomas Hatcher hath hereunto set his hand and affixed his seal the day & year above written. Thomas Hatcher Signed Sealed and delivered In presence of us Thomas (his X mark) Moore Hudson (his X mark) Blankenship Robert Hancock At a court held for Chesterfield county February 1762. The within deed from Thomas Hatcher to Robert Elam jun was acknowledged by the said Thomas party thereto and ordered to be recorded. Test. Ben Watkins Cl Court ------------------------------------- Washington Co, TN Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions 1778-1798, Vol 1, TN State Library and Archives: p 124: 1780 for William Hatcher re: parcel of corn in hands of William Hatcher p 188: Nov 1782 for Thomas Hatcher It is not clear if the above mention of Thomas is this Thomas and his son, William, but records indicate that Jameston, brother of Thomas, was also in WashingtonCo, TN in this time frame. ----------------------- South Carolina Archives Microcopy Number 12 (copy of original) Thomas Hatcher 250 Acres A Memorial exhibited by Thomas Hatcher, to be registered in the Audr's Office, SC of a plantation or tracts of land containing two hundred and fifty acres, situate in Berkeley County on a small branch of Tyger River, called Peters Creek, in the fork between Broad and Saludy Rivers. Bounding NE & ---- part on Capt Samuel Aubrey and part vacant land, SE part on land of Isaac Fitchlin and part vacant, the other sides on vacant lands survey certified the 21st March 1770 and granted the 13th day of July 1770 to the Memorialist at the quit rents of 3/ster or 4/Prov Money per 100 Acres, to commence two years from the date. In witness whereof he hath hereunto set his hand the 21st Aug 1770. Aubrey Noland Enoch Pearson, D.S ------------------------- South Carolina Memorials: Abstracts of Land Titles Volume I, 1774-1776 Abstracted by Jesse Hogan Motes III & Margaret Peckham Motes. Memorial Book 2: 19 July - 29 Mar. 1776 JOHN ANDERSON, 22 Aug. 1775: 250 acres in Berkeley County in fork of Broad and Saludy Rivers on Nobles Creek on a small branch of Enoree River. Bounded N on John Robinson and vacant land; SW on Thomas Hatcher; other sides vacant. Survey certified 3 April 1775; granted [no date]. Quit rent in 2 years. E. Pearson, DS. [2-303:2] Note: Based on other plat maps identifying Thomas Hatcher's land, his neighbors at one time or another were John Robinson, William Nobols, John Anderson, John Portman, Williamson Liles, John Liles, Reuben Jones, Shanhale/Sharshale Grasty, Isaac Fitchlin. -------------------------- The following record seems to show that Thomas was leasing his 250 acres to Aubrey Noland. South Carolina Archives (copy of original) South Carolina Thomas Hatcher to Ansbrey Noland This Indenture made the first day of December in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Seventy in the tenth year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord George the third by the grace of God of Great Britain France and Ireland ---- Defender of the Faith Between Thos Hatcher Shoe Maker of Berkeley County in South Carolina of the one part and Ausbey Noland gent of the County aforesaid of the other part. Witnesseth that for and in consideration of the Sum of Twelve Shillings current Money of the Said Province to me in hand well and truly paid by the said Aubrey Noland at and before the sealing and Delivery hereof the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged Hath bargained and sold and by these Presents doth bargain & sell and the said Aubrey Noland his exers admors and assigns a certain plantation or tract of Land contaning on the Whole two hundred & fifty acres situated lying and being in the fork between Broad & Saludy Rivers in the Province aforesaid on a branch of said River called Tiger River and on a branch of Tiger River called Peters Creek and butting and bounding on the North East & N West part on land of Capt Saml Aubrey & part vacant & S Eastwardly part on land said to be laid out to Isaac Fitchlin the other sides on vacant land and hath such shape form and marks as are represented by a Plat thereof to the Original Grant annexed together with all and singular the said --- orchards, fences, ways, wells, (writing fades out but continues the usual description of land inclusions), and appurtenances whatsoever to the said two hundred fifty acres of land belonging or anywise appertaining and the ------ ------- remainder and remainders thereof and of every part & parcell thereof to have and to hold the said two hundred and fifty acres of land & all and singular other the premises herein before mentioned and intended to be hereby bargained and sold & every part and parcell thereof with these and every of their appurtenances unto the said Aubrey Noland his Exors Admors & assigns from the day next before the day of the Date of these presents for and during the full time and unto the full end and term of one whole year from thence next ensuing and fully to be compleated and ended yielding and paying unto the said Thos Hatcher his Exors & Admors the rent of one hopper (popper?) corn on the last day of the said term of the same shall be lawfully demanded to the ---- and purpose that the said Aubrey Noland by virtue hereof and by force of the statutes for transferring of uses into possession may be in the actual possession of the premises herein before mentioned and intended to be hereby bargained and sold & every part & parcel thereof with their and every of their appurtanances & every --- thereby enabled to accept & take a grant & release of the provision and inheritance of the same to him and his heirs forever In Witness whereof the said parties to thes presents have hereunto interchangeably set their hands & seals this day and year first above written. signed Sealed & Delivered Thomas Hatcher (LS) In the Presents of us Jeremiah (his A mark) OCain Reuben Jones John Guttney Memorandum that on the 10th day of December on the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Seventy came before me one of his Majesties Justices assigned to keep the Peace. In Craven County in the Province of South Carolina personally came & appeared John Guttney and made Oath on the Holy Evangelists of Almighty God that he did see the within named Thos Hatcher and his wife sign seal and acknowledge and deliver the within Deed of Lease and release to and for the use within mentioned and --- also see Jeremiah OCain & Reuben Jones the other two witnesses sign their names as witnesses thereunto ot the acknowledging the within Deed ---- also see the said Thos Hatcher and likewise his wife subscribe their names to the receipt enclosssed on the back of said deed and that he did subscribe his own name as a witness. Sworn before me the day and date above written Recorded & Examined this 9th of June 1774 Note: This land lies in what is now Sumter National Forest halfway between Whitmire and Shelton and just a few miles south of center. Peters Creek is in current NewberryCo lying just south of the UnionCo border. If Thomas's land lay on the north side of the creek, part or all of it may have been in current UnionCo, SC. ---------------------------------- Just one day after the above deed was written, the following deed appears to show Thomas selling the 250 acres with the exception of the premises, or he is selling the entire property but is arranging to continue living on the premises. South Carolina Archives (copy of original) Thomas Hatcher & wife to Ansbrey Noland This Indenture made the Second Day of December in the year of our Lord One thousand Seven hundred and Seventy and in the Tenth Year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord George the third by the grace of God of Great Britain France & Ireland ---- Defender of the faith Between Thomas Hatcher Shoemaker of Berkeley county in south Carolina of the one Part and Aubrey Noland Gent of the County aforesaid of the other Part. Witnesseth that for and in consideration of the sum of Two hundred & fifty pounds Currant Money of the Province aforesaid to him the said Thomas Hatcher in hand at and before the Sealing and Delivery of these Presents by the Said Aubrey Noland well and truly paid the receipt thereof the said Thos Hatcher & Wilmoth his wife doth hereby acknowledge & thereof & of every part & parcel thereof doth requit release exonerate & discharge the said Aubrey Noland his heirs Exors & Admors & every of them forever by these presents they the said Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife Hath granted bargained sold alienated released and confirmed and by these presents doth fully freely clearly & absolutely grant bargain sell alien release and confirm unto the said Ausbrey Noland in his actual possession now being by virtue of a bargain and sale to him thereof made by the said Thomas Hatcher for one whole year for the consideration of twelve shillings by an Indenture of Lease bearing date the day next before the day of the date of these presents to commence from the day next before the day of the date hereof and sealed and delivered before the executing of these presents and also by force of the Statute for transferring of uses into possession. In that case made and provided and unto his heirs & assigns forever a certain plantation or tract of land containing on the whole two hundred and fifty acres more or less situate lying & being between Broad & Saludee Rivers on a branch of Tiger River called Peterses Creek butting and bounding N Eastwardly and Northwestwardly part on land laid out to Capt Saml Aubery & part vacant & South Eastwardly part on land laid to be laid out to Isaac Fitchlin & part vacant the other sides vacant land and hath such shape form & markers as are represented by a plat thereof to the Original Grant annexed together with all and singular the gardens orchards fences, ways, walls waters satercourses easements profits commodites advangages emoluments hereditements and appurtenances whatsoever to the said two hundred and fifty acres of land belonging or in anywise appertaining and the reversions & aversions remainder & remainders rents & dues & profits thereof & of every part and parcel thereof and also all the estate right title interest possession property profit claim & demand whatsoever either in law or equity which they the said Thos Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife now hath or ever had ------ He or his heirs hereafter shall may can or ought to have of onto or out of the said two hundred & fifty acres of land & other the premises with their & every of their appurtenances together with all deeds plats grants charters writings immu---ments whatsoever which they the said Thos Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife now hath in their custody or possession or can come by without suit in law or equity that do only concern the premises to have & to hold the said two hundred and fifty acres of land and all & singular other the premises hereby granted & released or meant & intended to be granted & released unto the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns to the only proper use & behoof of the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns forever and they the said Thomas Hatcher & Wilmoth his wife for themselves & their heirs the said premises hereby bargained sold granted & released with their and every of their appurtenances unto him the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns against all and all manner of person or persons whatsoever shall & will warrant & forever defend by these presents and the said Thomas Hatcher & Wilmoth his wife for themselves their heirs & admins doth covenant promise grant and agree to and with the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns by these presents in manner and form following that is to say that the said Thos Hatcher now at the time of the Sealing & Delivery of these presents is and standeth lawfully and absolutely seized of & in the said plantation & tract of two hundred and fifty acres of land & all and singular other the premises herein before mentioned & intended to be hereby granted and released & every part & parcell thereof with their & every of their appurtenances of a good --- ---- and absolute estate of inheritance in fee simple without any manner of consideration trust proviso poiwer of revocation or limitable of any use or uses or other restraint matter or thing to alter change defeat or evict the same and also that they the said Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife now hath in themselves good rightfull power & lawfull & absolute authority to grant release & confirm the said plantation or tract of two hundred & fifty acres of land and all and singular other the premises herein before mention'd and intended to be hereby granted & released & every part & parcel thereof with their and every of their appurtenances unto the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns forever as aforesaid and also that it shall & may be lawfully ---- for the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns (ink blot) at all times forever hereafter peaceably and quietly to enter into have hold occupy possess and enjoy the said plantation or tract of two hundred & fifty acres of land & all and singular other the premises herein before mentioned and intended to be hereby granted and released and every part and parcel thereof with their appurtenances without any other lawfull let suit trouble - molestation eviction or interception of them the said Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife their exor's Admors or any other person or persons whatsoever claiming or to claim by from or under them & free and clear and freely and clearly & absolutely requitted exonerated and discharged of and from all and all manner of formes & other gifts grants bargains sales uses wills intails --intures powers judgements executions charges and incumbrances whatsoever had made done committed or suffered by the said Thomas Hatcher & Wilmoth his wife or any other person or persons whatsoever lawfully claiming or to claim by from or under them and lastly that the said Thos Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife their heirs & all & every other person or persons lawfully claiming or to claim any estate right title trust or interest of or to the said plantation or tract of two hundred & fifty acres of land & all and singular other the premises herein before mentioned and intended to be hereby granted & released and any part and parcell thereof shall and will from & at all times hereafter at the reasonable request and proper costs & charges in the law of the said Aubrey Noland his heirs and assigns make do acknowledge and execute or cause & procure to be made & done acknowledged and executed all & every such further & other lawfull reasonable act & acts thing & things conveyances & apurances in the law whatsoever for the further better and more perfect & absolute granting conveying & assuring the said plantation or tract of land of two hundred & fifty acres & all and singular other the premises herein before mentioned & intended to be hereby granted and released & every part & parcell thereof with these and every of their appurtenances to and for the us (ink blot) of the said Aubrey Noland his heirs & assigns (ink blot) or them or by his or their council ---- in the law shall be reasonably devised & advised & required In witness whereof we the said Thomas Hatcher and Wilmoth his wife have hereunto interchangeably set their hands & seals the day and year first above written. Thomas Hatcher (LS) Signed Sealed & Delivered Wilmoth (her + mark) Hatcher (LS) In Presents of us Jeremiah (his 5 mark) OCain Reuben Jones John Guttney Recorded & Examined this 9th of June 1774 William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America!

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood "This is all that I got on Thomas Hatcher, just in case you have something that might be of use on the Thomas research? Some of it might be outdated?" W W, It is totally outdated as far as the old interpretation of who Tom's kids were. All of the records you sent thru, including my notes, are straight from our file and they are laid out in a time line of events. Nel

Nel, help me out on a few of the items you listed for clarification. You stated "We know EdgefieldCo is the only place Tom/Wilmoth were known to have lived." I am having some problems with the locations, this we think we know and have proof of by records: <P.10 South Carolina, Royal Grants, Vol. 15. p. 580. South Carolina Dept. of Archives and History, Columbia, S.C. Grant to Thomas Hatcher for 250 acres in Berkeley County in the fork between Broad and Saludy River on a small branch of Tyger River called Peters Creek, bounding N.E. & N.W. by part on land of Capt. Samuel Anbrey and part vacant, S.E. part on land said to be laid out for Isaac Fitchlin and part vacant, other sides vacant land. 13 July 1770.P.11 South Carolina Memorials, Vol. 10, p. 196, South Carolina Dept. of Archives and History, Columbia, S.C.> Now Berkeley County was at one time was quite large, but it was discontinued in 1769, a year before the above grant. OLD BERKELEY COUNTY (1683 - 1769) Created: 1683, discontinued 1769 One of the original "counties" created by the Crown for administrative purposes, this Berkeley County centered around Charleston and extended from the Stono River on the south to Seewee Creek (modern Awendaw Creek) on the north. See map above (1710) for modern counties represented in this area. NOTE: All records for this area were filed in Charleston and this is NOT modern Berkeley County. (Present day Berkeley County is on the coast) Now Peters Creek is nowhere near Edgefield County looking at my early SC map and using the point you sent. Also notice the town in the bottom left hand corner of the map, “Reuben” humm. I do think this is the right Peters Creek since it lies in the fork between the Saluda and Broad Rivers very close to the Tyger River as the record stated. If this is the right location, it is a long ways from GA, not just across the river as you stated? And it is a full two counties over from Edgefield… We know they were in Edgefield County from this: Wilmoth is found in the 1790 EdgefieldCo, SC census with 2 sons, 1 16+, 1 0-16. The importance of location: Little river cuts east GA into north and south. All of Maj John's sibs as on our file remained in north EdgefieldCo, SC, lived north of the river in Elbert/LincolnCo, or in WarrenCo, GA, Now this one you are going to have to expain a little, Little River according to the maps I have show it as a little short river just across the GA line from Lincoln and Elbert Counties running north and south and runs into the Savannah River on the SC side long before Columbia county GA. Or are you referring to the Little River on the GA side that is the boundary for Columbia County GA? Now, just as a side note. Tom/Wilm was a Capt in 1778 based on the pens app of a Richard Kirkpatrick. Yet I've no memory of ever seeing Tom listed on any RW "list" (official or otherwise) as a veteran and patriot. But just on the one record we have, it would seem to me the descendants of Tom should be eligible for DAR/SAR. I'm rather curious to know how/why he failed to get into the official records........ Now I am having a problem with this one as well, if he was indeed a Capt as stated in the Royal Grants record, then why can’t I find the grant listed anywhere or find a RW record for him? All insight and thoughts much appreciated, William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:11 AM To: HATCHERLIST Subject: [HATCHER] Maj John - the reasoning HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, There is no defining item or record. It is all a series of connecting dots based on multiple factors including feasability, location, time frame, documents, and logical reasoning. We will start with what we know and believe. We agreed we have no record, no dots, no nothing to connect John or Wm/Pris, etc to Robert of Richmond. We know Capt Ben of EdgefieldCo cannot be their father - a well-documented family. We are left to work with the only remaining Hatcher in the area - Tom/Wilmoth. The key was Dempsey's presence at the 1826 estate sale in BibbCo, GA, surrounded by Tharp family into which Elizabeth Hatcher, supposed dau of Maj John, married. Dempsey was not migrating thru, he was not living 10-20-30m away. He was a neighbor attending and buying at a local estate sale. He was the son of Thomas Jr, s/o Tom/Wilm, who lived in SC on Turkey creek near the Savannah and across from LincolnCo, GA. Just a bit north is ElbertCo, home of Wm/Pris. We also know that Maj John's son, Henry, died in BibbCo 1823 and the sale of his estate was held at the home of Vincent Tharp. We now have tied Dempsey, Elizabeth, and Henry together in a circumstantial way (location and time frame) that we were never able to do with Robert. We have them in the same room. And that goes beyond coincidence. We go back to Tom/Wilmoth. A record proves they were married before 1761. Had there been proof they were married after 1757, the year of John's birth, they would not likely have been John's parents. So they are still eligible as parents. Wilmoth is found in the 1790 EdgefieldCo, SC census with 2 sons, 1 16+, 1 0-16. They are who I believe is Dempsey (uncle of young Dempsey) and James/Martha Tate, born c1773 and 1775 respectively. It is logical and reasonable to believe Wilmoth did not have just 2 children born 15+ yrs after she married. There is much room to slot in other children. Wm/Pris's pens app states "Moved from Virginia in 1764 with his father and settled in Richmond Co. Georgia, five miles below Augusta, from whence he removed to Edgefield Co. S.C. where he first entered service about June 1778 as a volunteer private of infantry...." We know EdgefieldCo is the only place Tom/Wilmoth were known to have lived. We know we can't place Robert in SC in that time frame. 1764 is also the year Anne Knibb Hatcher, mother of Tom/Wilm, disappeared from ChesterfieldCo, VA. She ends up in LaurensCo, SC not far from Peter's creek where Tom/Wilm lived. Tom was a Capt in 1778 under Major Simmons. Maj John, Wm/Pris and James/Tate (1812) all served in the military. We have a houseful of "army brats" in this family. This is simply another "dot" to define a family lifestyle. The importance of location: Little river cuts east GA into north and south. All of Maj John's sibs as on our file remained in north EdgefieldCo, SC, lived north of the river in Elbert/LincolnCo, or in WarrenCo, GA, (earlier home of Maj John.) Some are found later in WilkinsonCo where Maj John died. There are minor connections to Augusta, RichmondCo (south of the Little) for marriages or residency in their later years but none of these people lived there in their earlier years. We have all of this family grouped in one area of north GA/SC. There is no document declaring John to be Tom's son. There is no document declaring Wm/Pris to be Tom's son. And there likely never will be. And my memory may be failing me, but I'm not sure we have any document that proves Wm/Pris is John's brother. We have, I believe, only slim circumstantial evidence of both of them being present in WilkinsonCo, GA at one point in time. Yet these 2 have been accepted as brothers for eons. We can, thru many documents, directly or circumstantially, connect various kids of Tom/Wilm. This family is all tied together by the cumulative effect of both the direct, indirect and circumstantial evidence. When the documents are not there or do not exist, you must build your case on what you have using sound logic and reason. We cannot pull an imaginary father out of the heavens who never left a footprint on this earth. The only logical conclusion is that Tom was the father of all those currently attached to him for we have no other possible Hatchers to draw from. And I would have no problem having a professional genealogist analyze this tree on the proper analysis of the evidence and the conclusions I've drawn from that evidence. In summary, 1) Tom/Wilm were there with no other possible candidates. 2) Tom/Wilm reasonably had more children than just the 2 young boys. 3) Their circa marriage date makes them candidates. 4) Wm's pens app states they removed from Augusta, GA to SC. 5) Wm's family arrived in 1764, the same date Anne Knibb Hatcher, Tom's mother, removed from VA. 6) Tom/Wilm and all kids lived in the same general area of northern SC and GA. Now, just as a side note. Tom/Wilm was a Capt in 1778 based on the pens app of a Richard Kirkpatrick. Yet I've no memory of ever seeing Tom listed on any RW "list" (official or otherwise) as a veteran and patriot. But just on the one record we have, it would seem to me the descendants of Tom should be eligible for DAR/SAR. I'm rather curious to know how/why he failed to get into the official records........ Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061  Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America!

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, We'll start with this msg: You stated "We know EdgefieldCo is the only place Tom/Wilmoth were known to have lived." First, there are a number of Peters creeks in SC per USGS. The one between the Broad and Tyger where Tom/Wilm lived was on the county line of Newberry and Union. It is located halfway between Whitmire and Shelton and a bit south. Don't get too concerned with Berkley. I discovered some years ago how confusing these "districts" could be. And it does not matter if Berkley ceased to exist a year before this grant. I've been told by the experts and discovered it myself that recording clerks would too often record these deeds 2-3-4 yrs later under the old district name and not the new. The key to location is the actual reference points referred to in the deeds. And it was my error to say Tom/Wilm lived in Edgefield. It was only Wilmoth and her 2 sons in 1790 Edgefield living near son, Tom Jr, on Turkey and Stevens creeks. These creeks are now in McCormick (formerly Edgefield) halfway between McCormick and Liberty Hill, close to the Savannah and directly across from LibertyCo, GA (Strom Thurmond Lake). "Or are you referring to the Little River on the GA side that is the boundary for Columbia County GA?" Yes. Looking at today's map, the Little River looks more like it's just part of Strom Thurmond Lake. So you have Tom Jr and Wilm across the river on Turkey creek and you have Col James and Henry/Vick living near the Little River with Wm/Pris just north in ElbertCo. I have no answers why Capt Tom is not in the official records. Nel

Thanks Nel, That clears this one up for me, hope it does for others as well? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:53 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Henry Hatcher HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, I did not say Henry's estate sale was in TwiggsCo. My post said: "We also know that Maj John's son, Henry, died in BibbCo 1823 and the sale of his estate was held at the home of Vincent Tharp." Vincent lived in TwiggsCo, adjoining Bibb. We have the following recs on Henry's page. "Collection of Twiggs Countians", by Kathleen Jones Carswell, 1973: p. 40: At the home of Vincent A. Tharp in Twiggs County on 24th day of June next will be sold - All personal estate of Henry Hatcher, late of Bibb County. Terms made known on day of sale. John & Dathier, Admrx. From "The Messenger", Fort Hawkins, issue May 10, 1823. --------------------------- Film # 8212: Bibb County Estate Returns, Bk. A ( 1823-1837); Bk B (1837 - 1844): P. 9-10: Appraisal and Inventory of the estate of Henry Hatcher; John Hatcher and Bethiah Hatcher, administrators; Appraisal done by Hardy Harrell, John Bridger, John Read, June 23, 1823. Pages 26 and 27 include an inventory and sale of Henry Hatcher's personal property. Some of the purchasers were: John Hatcher; Nancy Hill; Bethiar Hatcher, Fletcher Harp; William Simmons; Penelope Silivan; Fletcher A. Tharp; Vincent A. Tharp; Levi Jones; Amos Horton; Cherneck A. Tharp. (Note: I examined carefully the Harp and the Tharp and the first Fletcher was Harp, but it may have been an error in spelling.) The sale was signed by John Hatcher, admr and Bethiah Hatcher, admrx, and dated March 1, 1824. ------------------ I also did not say that Dempsey attended Henry's estate sale. Henry died 1823 in BibbCo, where he resided along with Elizabeth Hatcher Tharp. Dempsey was not at Henry's estate sale. Dempsey attended the estate sale of John Davis of BibbCo who died in 1826. Davis's estate sale was attended by a number of Tharp family members. My point was that we have 2 members, Liz and Henry, of Maj John's family along with Dempsey, the gson of Tom/Wilm, in the same room and that indicates a strong family connection. It goes beyond mere coincidence. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, What are you trying to send thru? It's not working. Nel

Another item for some clarification, Henry Hatcher's estate sale was in Twiggs county, not Bibb county. The key was Dempsey's presence at the 1826 estate sale in BibbCo, GA. The record I have on file: Film # 8212: Bibb County Estate Returns, Bk. A ( 1823-1837); Bk B (1837 - 1844): P. 9-10: Appraisal and Inventory of the estate of Henry Hatcher; John Hatcher and Bethiah Hatcher, administrators; Appraisal done by Hardy Harrell, John Bridger, John Read, June 23, 1823. (Note: Other Henry Hatcher estate records on pages 24, 26, & 27.) Pages 26 and 27 include an inventory and sale of Henry Hatcher's personal property. Some of the purchasers were: John Hatcher; Nancy Hill; Bethiar Hatcher, Fletcher Harp; William Simmons; Penelope Silivan; Fletcher A. Tharp; Vincent A. Tharp; Levi Jones; Amos Horton; Cherneck A. Tharp. (Note: I examined carefully the Harp and the Tharp and the first Fletcher was "Harp", but it may have been and error in spelling.) The sale was signed by John Hatcher, admr and Bethiah Hatcher, admrx, and dated March 1, 1824. p. 40: At the home of Vincent A. Tharp in Twiggs County on 24th day of June next will be sold - All personal estate of Henry Hatcher, late of BIBB COUNTY. Terms made known on day of sale. John & Dathier, Admrx. From The "Messenger", Fort Hawkins, issue May 10, 1823. (Note: Dathier should be Bethia/Bethier, right?) ______________ Now I do not see a Dempsey Hatcher listed, where did you find this? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America!

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Bets, I can't get thru to you by personal email. I had to give up. I suspect you've somehow got me on your block list. You're not blocked on any list and I still wuv you :-) Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, I did not say Henry's estate sale was in TwiggsCo. My post said: "We also know that Maj John's son, Henry, died in BibbCo 1823 and the sale of his estate was held at the home of Vincent Tharp." Vincent lived in TwiggsCo, adjoining Bibb. We have the following recs on Henry's page. "Collection of Twiggs Countians", by Kathleen Jones Carswell, 1973: p. 40: At the home of Vincent A. Tharp in Twiggs County on 24th day of June next will be sold - All personal estate of Henry Hatcher, late of Bibb County. Terms made known on day of sale. John & Dathier, Admrx. >From "The Messenger", Fort Hawkins, issue May 10, 1823. --------------------------- Film # 8212: Bibb County Estate Returns, Bk. A ( 1823-1837); Bk B (1837 - 1844): P. 9-10: Appraisal and Inventory of the estate of Henry Hatcher; John Hatcher and Bethiah Hatcher, administrators; Appraisal done by Hardy Harrell, John Bridger, John Read, June 23, 1823. Pages 26 and 27 include an inventory and sale of Henry Hatcher's personal property. Some of the purchasers were: John Hatcher; Nancy Hill; Bethiar Hatcher, Fletcher Harp; William Simmons; Penelope Silivan; Fletcher A. Tharp; Vincent A. Tharp; Levi Jones; Amos Horton; Cherneck A. Tharp. (Note: I examined carefully the Harp and the Tharp and the first Fletcher was Harp, but it may have been an error in spelling.) The sale was signed by John Hatcher, admr and Bethiah Hatcher, admrx, and dated March 1, 1824. ------------------ I also did not say that Dempsey attended Henry's estate sale. Henry died 1823 in BibbCo, where he resided along with Elizabeth Hatcher Tharp. Dempsey was not at Henry's estate sale. Dempsey attended the estate sale of John Davis of BibbCo who died in 1826. Davis's estate sale was attended by a number of Tharp family members. My point was that we have 2 members, Liz and Henry, of Maj John's family along with Dempsey, the gson of Tom/Wilm, in the same room and that indicates a strong family connection. It goes beyond mere coincidence. Nel

Houston here. You have landed. St Louis Dave ---------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <nelhatch@hills.net> To: "HATCHERLIST" <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: [HATCHER] Testing, testing > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood > > Am I back?? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes you are back. -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:57 AM To: HATCHERLIST Subject: [HATCHER] Testing, testing HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Am I back?? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message