Biker Bob, Maybe _www.ancientfaces.com_ (http://www.ancientfaces.com) ??? I think you can post unknowns there. Heather In a message dated 7/16/2008 5:39:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Rdbikerbob2@aol.com writes: Hello..... Does anyone know of a message board that let you put on Photos for Identification? BIKERBOB **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)
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Ancient Faces ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rdbikerbob2@aol.com> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:38 AM Subject: [HATCHER] Photos > Hello..... > > Does anyone know of a message board that let you put on Photos for > Identification? > > BIKERBOB > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live > music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 7/15/2008 > 6:03 PM > > >
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I was looking at Uncle Charlie's (Hatcher) brother of Elmer, file and noted that you only had 3 marriages. He was married to some young thing called Mattie before Hart. Musta been in the late 60's early 70's. Shirley W. might have that info. Lois From: nelhatch <nelhatch@hills.net> >Date: 2008/07/15 Tue PM 06:51:48 CDT >To: HATCHERLIST <hatcher@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [HATCHER] Some minor problems......... > >HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com >HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm >"If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood > >Cuzins, > >We have a few minor problems on our file that y'all can help me correct. > >1) There have been marriages found that are out of sequence by marriage date. I'm sure there are more lurking out there. > >2) I am finding missing images (box with red X). This is a curious problem because some of them I've loaded just recently and know they're OK but 2-3 days later they're gone (software glitch in there somewhere). I must then go in and set them up again. > >If you spot any of these 2 problems, please send me the URL for the page or enough "person" info for me to find the page. Common names would need birth yr and place for me to find them quickly. > >Thanks a bunch! >Nel > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Cuzins, We have a few minor problems on our file that y'all can help me correct. 1) There have been marriages found that are out of sequence by marriage date. I'm sure there are more lurking out there. 2) I am finding missing images (box with red X). This is a curious problem because some of them I've loaded just recently and know they're OK but 2-3 days later they're gone (software glitch in there somewhere). I must then go in and set them up again. If you spot any of these 2 problems, please send me the URL for the page or enough "person" info for me to find the page. Common names would need birth yr and place for me to find them quickly. Thanks a bunch! Nel
My dear Nel, Your patience and tolerance never cease to amaze me!!! Where would we HATCHER descendants be without you?! God bless you! Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <nelhatch@hills.net> To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] second try, guess map blocked everything? > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D > Greenwood > > W W, > > In addition to Eben and Wm to work on, I just rec'd 44 deed images (some > multiple pages) that need to be processed, and I still have some of > Vanessa's records undone, along with a pile of other work that's sitting > here. > > I also don't really feel that creating a timeline for this entire family > (and I don't believe you realize how much time that would take) would be > all that useful based on your stated use of it....."and we could add > anything we might have on file....." > > Anyone who has records on this family doesn't need a timeline to go into > our file and check to see if we have their records already online. People > send me their records all the time and they are my main source. Now if > someone has an important record to contribute, they either have already > done so or they don't realize they have it. > > I also feel that anyone who is really interested has already been all over > our file. In fact, I know so. The number of people checking Tom and John > (from the Access Log) has really picked up speed in the past few days. So > the word is getting around. I'm sure anyone with questions will start > bouncing them off me if they have any. > > As far as "making sense of it", some will make sense of it and some won't. > And those who have questions are always free to ask them. I ain't shy :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1551 - Release Date: 7/14/2008 > 6:49 AM > > >
Aw shucks, a timeline could be most beneficial if you really want to air all the possibilities based on times and locations for this family! I was hoping you could do us one and we could add anything we might have on file to either make some since of what you feel is correct or raise some questions that need to be addressed. Unfortunately I too do not have the time either right now as I have to work for a living every day and I just got 10 pages of Akins records sent to me to go through. I am sure you Nel can understand? But I would like to keep this discussion going to make sure we have not overlooked something. William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:12 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] second try, guess map blocked everything? HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, Everyone in this picture has their timeline on their page. What you won't find is John with any connection to Tom (as you said, he was long gone and an adult before we pick him up in records). But I'll remind everyone of a trick to use on our site. You will often see the little magnifying glass at the end of a data field, such as birthplace. Find someone in this family born in WarrenCo, GA? Click the glass icon and you will see a list of everyone born in Warren. You can then select those born in your timeframe for further review. This list is NOT limited to the tree you're in but will pull people from all files. I'm already working on 2 other projects - Ebenezer (possible son of Edward of Pendleton) and a William who I've also found in BibbCo in the 1820s. Both of these are Unc families. I strongly suspect this Wm must be connected to Tom's family....just a matter of finding where. Wm's been DNA tested so we know he's an Im descendant. So I have no time to build a timeline on Tom et al, but anyone who wants to do so - go fer it!! Timelines are a very useful tool and I build them all the time. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM
Right, I thought that what we were talking about? Four months after date, application will be made to the Inferior Court, So are you saying four months after the date of signing or before? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:54 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Another point of interest on Mj. John&Thomasconnection HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Better change the battery in your abacus, W W :-) Sept 8 would be 4 mos before Jan 8. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM
But by that time (Edgefield), John had long since left if Tom/Wilm were indeed his parents? Why don't we do a timeline starting with the first record of Thomas that shows children with John listed and then progress by year to Wilkinson, Bibb, Crawford, Twiggs, and Gwinnett counties listing all that we know and laying it out chronology? It may help establish the point in time verses the locations so everyone can follow the trail. A few back and forths with everyone adding what they have or think may be most fruitful? A good discussion may show us something that has been missed? Thoughts, William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:09 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] second try, guess map blocked everything? HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood "it begs me to state again: This location is quite a far piece from Elbert Co. GA, not just across the river as was stated several times earlier...." Yes, Newberry/Union Cos are not near GA or ElbertCo. But where Tom/Wilm lived when they raised their kids is irrelevant. It is where Wilmoth and the kids all ended up that sets the "location" of this story. As adults, several of these kids were "just across the river" from their mother and other sibs.....all in a nice little circle. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM
Four months before Friday, January 8, 1836 would make it October? Anyone disagree? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:12 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Another point of interest on Mj. John&Thomasconnection HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood John's docs were signed in April. I believe the following would indicate Reuben either died around Aug/Sept or December of 1835, depending on how you interpret "four months." I would opt for December. This appears to be saying that they are requesting permission to sell the property 4 mos from Jan 8. Nel Baldwin County, Georgia, Newspaper Clippings (Union Recorder), Volume II 1834-1836 By Tad Evans Friday, January 8, 1836 Georgia, Wilkinson County: Four months after date, application will be made to the Inferior Court, of said county, when sitting for Ordinary purposes, for leave to sell the property of Reuben Hatcher, late of said county, deceased. (Signed) James Hatcher, Adm. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM
HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, In addition to Eben and Wm to work on, I just rec'd 44 deed images (some multiple pages) that need to be processed, and I still have some of Vanessa's records undone, along with a pile of other work that's sitting here. I also don't really feel that creating a timeline for this entire family (and I don't believe you realize how much time that would take) would be all that useful based on your stated use of it....."and we could add anything we might have on file....." Anyone who has records on this family doesn't need a timeline to go into our file and check to see if we have their records already online. People send me their records all the time and they are my main source. Now if someone has an important record to contribute, they either have already done so or they don't realize they have it. I also feel that anyone who is really interested has already been all over our file. In fact, I know so. The number of people checking Tom and John (from the Access Log) has really picked up speed in the past few days. So the word is getting around. I'm sure anyone with questions will start bouncing them off me if they have any. As far as "making sense of it", some will make sense of it and some won't. And those who have questions are always free to ask them. I ain't shy :-) Nel
HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood "Four months after date, application will be made to the Inferior Court...for leave to sell...." I believe this means 4 mos after Jan 8, the admin will appear in court to set the sale date. Don't believe it has anything to do with the date of Reuben's death. The normal routine after a death is 1) appear at the next month's court to record the death, file the will (if there was one), 2) select inventory takers and take the inventory, 3) hold the sale. We would need more records on this estate to be able to go further with this. I do know Cecil found many of our BibbCo recs but it's never possible to know or remember what and how many films he got thru. I do know he didn't find Demp's rec (ancestry) and a Wm rec I found on Godfrey Library. So there are likely more recs buried on a film or at the BibbCo Courthouse....... Nel
HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood W W, Everyone in this picture has their timeline on their page. What you won't find is John with any connection to Tom (as you said, he was long gone and an adult before we pick him up in records). But I'll remind everyone of a trick to use on our site. You will often see the little magnifying glass at the end of a data field, such as birthplace. Find someone in this family born in WarrenCo, GA? Click the glass icon and you will see a list of everyone born in Warren. You can then select those born in your timeframe for further review. This list is NOT limited to the tree you're in but will pull people from all files. I'm already working on 2 other projects - Ebenezer (possible son of Edward of Pendleton) and a William who I've also found in BibbCo in the 1820s. Both of these are Unc families. I strongly suspect this Wm must be connected to Tom's family....just a matter of finding where. Wm's been DNA tested so we know he's an Im descendant. So I have no time to build a timeline on Tom et al, but anyone who wants to do so - go fer it!! Timelines are a very useful tool and I build them all the time. Nel
HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Better change the battery in your abacus, W W :-) Sept 8 would be 4 mos before Jan 8. Nel
Sure would be nice to know the exact date that Reubin, son of John died since they both died in 35. If this signing was after Reubin, son of John's death it would put a whole new light on things.... William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:49 PM To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Another point of interest on Mj. John & Thomasconnection HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood "So this puts Reubin with Mj. John in 1835.... Odd this has not been noticed before?" This Reubin was John's son simply being a witness to these 2 docs, either written or recorded on the same day. These docs were drawn up just a month or two before John's death. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM
HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood John's docs were signed in April. I believe the following would indicate Reuben either died around Aug/Sept or December of 1835, depending on how you interpret "four months." I would opt for December. This appears to be saying that they are requesting permission to sell the property 4 mos from Jan 8. Nel Baldwin County, Georgia, Newspaper Clippings (Union Recorder), Volume II 1834-1836 By Tad Evans Friday, January 8, 1836 Georgia, Wilkinson County: Four months after date, application will be made to the Inferior Court, of said county, when sitting for Ordinary purposes, for leave to sell the property of Reuben Hatcher, late of said county, deceased. (Signed) James Hatcher, Adm.
A friend on another list was freaking out over the weekend, she could access any yahoo list she was on EXCEPT the one she owned. The problem was on yahoo's end, and she had to email and call them but it got fixed within 24 hours once they figured it out. HTH --- On Sun, 7/13/08, hatcher-request@rootsweb.com <hatcher-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: hatcher-request@rootsweb.com <hatcher-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: HATCHER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 256 To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:11 AM Today's Topics: 1. Major John (Janice Deason) 2. Re: Maj John - my theory in more detail......... (William W. Hatcher Sr.) 3. message from Nel Hatcher (Deborah Casey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:36:44 -0500 From: "Janice Deason" <jdeason@panhandle.rr.com> Subject: [HATCHER] Major John To: <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000801c8e45e$ffe18e50$f755cf44@D470W831> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nell, I'm confused. Read where you said Major John was the son of Thomas. Okay, I don't have a Thomas anywhere. Who does he belong to? Does he come in under Jeremiah? Thank you! J Deason ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:08:47 -0400 From: "William W. Hatcher Sr." <thehatchers@alltel.net> Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Maj John - my theory in more detail......... To: "'nelhatch'" <nelhatch@hills.net>, <hatcher@rootsweb.com> Cc: Joyce Harrison <gajoyce.1179@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <002a01c8e463$7a30e8a0$9601a8c0@den> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Nel, I have read, studied, and reread this email today over and over while studying what I have on file for Thomas and family. You talk about a lot of things, VA connections etc., reasons why Robert is not the correct Robert and why Ann Sanders is not the spouse of Robert, but nowhere did you really say why Mj. John is the son of Thomas other than Thomas had son by the name of John. You talk about several families being in the same proximity of each other in a SC location during the same time period which I agree. Please tell me what is the defining item or record that connects Thomas to Mj. John, or am I missing something? What connects the dots??????? William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nelhatch Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:49 AM To: HATCHERLIST Subject: [HATCHER] Maj John - my theory in more detail......... HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Good morning, All I'm going to lay out more reasons I still believe Maj John is son of Tom/Wilmoth. And I will now say I strongly believe Wm/Priscilla, currently attached as s/o Robert/Ann San---, is ALSO a son of T/W. Also keep in mind that Tom was the brother of the infamous JAMESTON. Ann Knibb Hatcher, mother of Tom, Jameston and Nancy disappeared from ChesterfieldCo sometime after 1764 [important date]. She appears in the 1790 LaurensCo, SC census. We do not know where she was in that gap but son Tom was there before 1770 and Jameston by 1772. The assumption will be that this old woman came with her sons and daughter. .....Nancy was the mother of the Milam/Hatcher family, father unknown. .........son Fleming lived on Rabun creek near the Newberry/Union Co lines. .....Tom/Wilm lived on Peters creek on the border of Newberry/Union Cos. Switching to Wm/Priscilla and Maj John. William's RW pension states he was born 1759 in MecklenburgCo, VA. Our last VA record for Tom/Wilm is 1761 ChesterfieldCo. If Tom is Wm's father, Wm was likely born in Chest. But children [absent birth records] do not know where they were born unless told. This may simply have been a belief on his part based on some long past and vague conversation. It should be noted that anyone moving to GA would pass thru Lunenburg/Mecklenburg. While we have no records [yet] showing the presence of this family in Lun/Meck, it's certainly not impossible that they remained there for a few years before moving on and may be the source for Wm's belief he was born there. Keep in mind he was only 5 yrs old in 1764 when his family arrived in GA. "Moved from Virginia in 1764 [note this date is the date Anne Knibb Hatcher disappears from VA] with his father and settled in Richmond Co. Georgia, five miles below Augusta, from whence he removed to Edgefield Co. S.C. where he first entered service about June 1778 as a volunteer private of infantry under state authority under command of General (Howe ??) in Colonel (Leroy) Hammond's Regiment, Major Purvis, Captain Ryan's Company.----- in Edgefield District S.C." It is the above record and the 1767 record of a Robert Hatcher with 5 kids applying for land in Augusta 4 miles below Augusta that is the reason for attaching Wm as a son of Robert. Robert's wife was believed to be Ann Sanders which supposedly explains the presence of the Sanders middle name in a number of Hatcher kids. The marriage record of Robert and Ann is found in AmeliaCo, VA but the record is torn and her name can only be read as Ann San. Joyce Harrison's research into this never found any Sanders family in Amelia but she did find the Sandifer family. We cannot prove from this that Ann's name was Sanders. No Ann has ever been found in the GA recs to prove AmeliaCo Ann was ever the wife of a GA Robert. I cannot explain at this time where the Sanders name came from but I also see nada evidence that Ann Sanders [if that was her name] was the source. During our years of research I came to believe that there was more than one Robert Hatcher in GA - the above Robert who appears to have always lived in/near Augusta [and never in SC per Wm's pens app] and the other Robert with land in the northern Columbia/Lincoln/Elbert Co area [which happens to be directly across the Savannah river from where Tom Jr, s/o TomWilm, was living on Turkey creek. This Robert may also be another son of Tom/Wilm. Another record for Robert of Augusta shows his arrest along with Edward Hatcher and Jacob Colson. My best research shows Jacob to have come from EdgecombeCo, NC, the home of John/Mary Hancock who had a proven son, Robert. I now believe Robt of Augusta has no connection to Maj John or Wm/Pris and that it was the best assumption available to believe John and Wm [along with several others] were Robert's sons. I also now suspect that the Robert of Augusta is the same Robert found in 1790 EdgefieldCo, SC with a John Hatcher living next door [both living alone] and that it is this Robert who died c1800 in Campbellton, SC [directly across the river from Augusta]. His estate was meager and no family member was involved in the settlement nor was there mention of children. Augusta was a "major city" at that time and would be an obvious destination for those migrating to this area. Many purchased land and remained. It is apparent that Wm's father did not stay but removed to SC. Note also that Wm arrived in 1764 but Robt did not apply for land until 3 years later. It could be a mistake for us to assume that while in GA that Tom would necessarily purchase land. The leasing of land was as much an option as purchasing. If this was the case, this would be one explanation why no records have been found for Tom's presence in GA. We do know he purchased land in 1770 on Peters creek, SC and may have been there somewhat earlier. We have oodles of military recs on the GA Hatcher boys with all of them believed to be sons of Robert. But these recs hi-lite some major differences. While "battle" recs on Maj John are non-existent, it is obvious he was career military. Wm also spent 2-3 years, beginning in 1778, as a soldier and it should be noted he joined in SC, not GA. [See his recs online]. He continued in the military in ElbertCo, GA, and [by memory] attained the rank of Captain. It should also be noted that Tom/Wilm was a Captain in 1778 SC. Another strong military connection. On the other hand, the rest of the sons of Robert are only shown as short term [2-3 mos] volunteers in the GA Militia in 1780 when the British were attempting to take GA. There is only one rec found that shows Wm in the same company with these other Hatcher boys, but Wm's recs will show he was assigned to many companies and battles, perhaps being sent to wherever troops were needed. This one interaction would not constiture proof of a close family connection. In 1820 we can place Wm/Pris in WilkinsonCo, GA, the home of Maj John. By 1830 he has moved on to MeriwetherCo, GA. We can put him in the same box with Maj John but never with the Hatchers of the Augusta [RichmondCo] area. Now for those still reading this tome....I have yet to find a record to disprove this theory [or even raise a serious niggly] but one woman's assessment does not make for proof. I would appreciate any of you who are familiar with this family or any who can ask the relevant questions to make every effort to tear this apart. I am solidly conviced this is right. I need you to unconvince me...before I start rearranging the file :-) But this does not end with just John and Wm. Once you start ripping sons from a father's breast and giving them new daddies, you open up new worm cans. Sons may need to be replaced. Other Hatchers whose connections are less convincing may become more obvious and more rearrangements may occur. This could and probably will become a major project with many possible twists and turns..........so I will be grateful for any input along the way. Have at it!!! Oh - one final point. If Maj John and Wm were connected to Robert's family, they would be descendants of Ben/Liz. Yet their DNA tests match descendants of Edward. Tom/Wilm were Ed descendants. Nel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood "So this puts Reubin with Mj. John in 1835.... Odd this has not been noticed before?" This Reubin was John's son simply being a witness to these 2 docs, either written or recorded on the same day. These docs were drawn up just a month or two before John's death. Nel
HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood "I have her listed as birth c1726?" Not likely unless she was 10 yrs older than Tom. Being married sometime around 1756-57 probably puts her birth closer to c1738-40, so somewhere around 90 in 1828. "What ever happened to the "Robert" that was listed as a son of Tom/Wilmoth?" Robert as a son of Tom/Wilm came strictly from S C Moore/Jerry Proudfit from years ago. It is they who claimed Robert was a son with no evidence beyond the fact there was a Robert in the area. We do know that the 1779 Old 96th census shows a Robert, Jameston, and (Capt) Benjamin. This Robert has always been believed to be Robert of Richmond but it appears more likely now that this is the Robert of Little river and probably a brother of Tom/Wilm. Not proven, just best guess theory on him. Note that Tom was not on this census but we know he was there by 1770. He may have been so close to the inner edge of the 96th that no one found him. Nel