HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Folks, Our site is still down and I don't know when it'll be back up. I do not know what caused the problem nor am I getting any particular service from our server support group. They have still not responded to my msg from yesterday morning. Nel

Dear fellow Hatcher researchers (and especially the Barnett Hatcher connection) On Tuesday I found myself coming into Brownsville (Edmonson Co.) KY. I had wanted to find the Old Brownsville Cemetery because I knew that Benjamin and Jane (Davis) Hatcher were buried there. I stopped at the Patton Funeral Home and ask the owner's daughter, and she pointed to it just a few yards up a hill behind the Funeral Home. She then warned me to watch out for the copper head snakes that could be crawling around the cemetery because of its close proximity to Mammoth Cave Nat'l Park. Believe me, I watched carefully and thankfully didn't see any. I was able to located the old tombstones of Benjamin Hatcher and his wife, Jane who was buried beside him just a few feet away. I also came across a child buried there named Millie A. E. Hatcher (Aug 20 1860 - Feb 14 1864). I am not real sure who this child could be. One would almost have to assume she may have belonged to Benjamin & Jane. She was buried several feet away from their graves. It is even possible that she could have been a granddaughter due to her being born in 1860 and Benj & Jane were married in 1825 and the last child I had for them was born in 1845. I have downloaded and made a new listing for the Old Brownsville Cemetery on Find A Grave's Website. I have also included pictures. As soon as they are approved, they will be available for viewing. Do a cemetery lookup at http://www.findagrave.com It is listed as Old Brownsville Cemetery in Edmonson County Ky. Wayne Hatcher

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Folks, Our site has been down since last nite. I have no clue when they'll get this fixed so just hang in if you're having problems getting on. Occasionally this morning the site has come up but the search engine doesn't work. Comes up with no results :-( Nel

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Nice detective work there, lady :)Piece by piece, the puzzle comes together! Hey, I did get that geney job--don't know if they contacted any of my references, but thanks if they did!! It's contract-based, so whenever they get Ohio work, I'll get work. Hasn't happened yet, but I'm looking forward to it. > From: nelhatch@hills.net> To: hatcher@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:15:05 -0700> Subject: [HATCHER] DNA breakthrough????> > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com> HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm> "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood> > Cuzins,> > We now have the results back from a descendant of John, proven son of Wm/Joana of SullivanCo, TN. And it has been very revealing.> > Some background:> > Jonathan Hatcher has been believed to be either the youngest son of Wm/Joana or his gson thru John.> > We have 2 testers (James and Tom) who are cousins with a proven paper trail back to Jonathan. They match closely to each other (to be expected), but they have enough mutations among them to make it difficult to tie them into any particular Hatcher line. They simply did not match to ANY of our Hatcher testers closely enough to make any determinations at all.> > And then along comes Ken, a descendant of son John! His results have now opened new doors.> > He matched most closely to BARNETT Hatcher!> > In reviewing Jonathan's records with Shirley, one small detail now jumped out. Jonathan's obit stated that he had come to TN "with his father's family at age 12-13." Not with his father but with his father's family. And now we knew there could be some real truth to this piece of family history. It had not seemed reliable in the past since we know Wm/Joana had been in TN since as early as 1796. > > We know Jonathan was born in 1806 so how could Jonathan be a son or grandson of Wm yet not arrive in TN until 1818-1819?> > Now in looking at Barnett's records, we know he sold his land in BuckinghamCo in 1818 and was in BarrenCo, KY early enough to be counted in the 1820 census, perfectly matching the dates in Jonathan's obit.> > We also know that Arthur Hatcher of Buckingham, believed to be Barnett's brother, died in 1812, leaving several children with the youngest (a son) being born c1807.> > With these clues, it would appear that when Barnett came to KY c1819, he first stopped in ScottCo, VA and dropped Jonathan off with his cousin, John. It does appear that John raised Jonathan from this time on for both follow each other in many records and both end up moving to LaurelCo, KY at the same time.> > Conclusive proof? No. Reasonable theory? I think so.> > But in ending this msg, I do know that it would be very important to have more tests from descendants of the known sons of Wm/Joana. If you're out there, please do consider testing.> > Nel > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Cuzins, We now have the results back from a descendant of John, proven son of Wm/Joana of SullivanCo, TN. And it has been very revealing. Some background: Jonathan Hatcher has been believed to be either the youngest son of Wm/Joana or his gson thru John. We have 2 testers (James and Tom) who are cousins with a proven paper trail back to Jonathan. They match closely to each other (to be expected), but they have enough mutations among them to make it difficult to tie them into any particular Hatcher line. They simply did not match to ANY of our Hatcher testers closely enough to make any determinations at all. And then along comes Ken, a descendant of son John! His results have now opened new doors. He matched most closely to BARNETT Hatcher! In reviewing Jonathan's records with Shirley, one small detail now jumped out. Jonathan's obit stated that he had come to TN "with his father's family at age 12-13." Not with his father but with his father's family. And now we knew there could be some real truth to this piece of family history. It had not seemed reliable in the past since we know Wm/Joana had been in TN since as early as 1796. We know Jonathan was born in 1806 so how could Jonathan be a son or grandson of Wm yet not arrive in TN until 1818-1819? Now in looking at Barnett's records, we know he sold his land in BuckinghamCo in 1818 and was in BarrenCo, KY early enough to be counted in the 1820 census, perfectly matching the dates in Jonathan's obit. We also know that Arthur Hatcher of Buckingham, believed to be Barnett's brother, died in 1812, leaving several children with the youngest (a son) being born c1807. With these clues, it would appear that when Barnett came to KY c1819, he first stopped in ScottCo, VA and dropped Jonathan off with his cousin, John. It does appear that John raised Jonathan from this time on for both follow each other in many records and both end up moving to LaurelCo, KY at the same time. Conclusive proof? No. Reasonable theory? I think so. But in ending this msg, I do know that it would be very important to have more tests from descendants of the known sons of Wm/Joana. If you're out there, please do consider testing. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Cuzins, To get all of you up to speed, the Hatcher Families Genealogy Assn currently has 13 Advisory board members who were installed one year ago. We also have our 5 Directors - President, 1st VP, 2nd VP, Secretary and Treasurer whose terms have been set at 2 years. This msg concerns the Advisory board. A decision has been made to limit each Advisory board member to a one year term and to require each current member to resubmit an application if they wish to continue serving. Anyone who wishes to be considered for this position is very much encouraged to submit an application. We will have a total of 16 advisory board positions. I am sending this msg to all of you and also to the 300+ people who have registered on our site (obviously much overlap) but perhaps a total of 500 individuals will receive this msg. Being a board member will require that you: 1) be comfortable enough in your geney experience to participate in our occasional HFGA discussions by offering questions, ideas or solutions for the topic under discussion. 2) have experience in geney research to include (but not limited to) one or more of the following: courthouse, research library, geney society experience to include microfilm reading; experience in transcribing, whether it be original documents or cemetery walking and recording. There are, of course, many more geney experiences that are valuable within a total group effort. The more varied the experiences, the better we fare. If you specialize in one type of research, you are more than eligible for serious consideration. 3) be able to handle a minimum of one research project a year requiring no more than 1 day's work that is within your realm of experience and within your area of residence. All expenses for this effort will be paid by HFGA. The application need be no more than 1 page in length and should describe your experiences and abilities based on the 3 requirements above. It is also preferable that we have at least 1 member from each of our families: Wm the Im, the Quaker/Dorset Hatchers, the English Hatchers, the Waccamaw Hatchers, the African American Hatchers and the Unconnected Hatchers. Please email all apps to me at nelhatch@hills.net no later than November 15th. Once the final decisions have been made, I will announce our new Advisory board to the list. Cheers, Nel

I have no idea!!! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 16:51 To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] John Hatcher, Twiggs Co., GA. Death 1834 What a total conundrum!! Who is who is who? Actually who am I? Yikes, Tony ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do not know any of these Hatchers...Sorry -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J. Alan Hatcher Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:15 To: hatcher@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Rosemarie Hatcher Whitepages.com has a Marlene M. Hatcher aged 65+ living in Encino, CA which is also part of Los Angeles. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Jim Stangel <jstangel@sasktel.net> wrote: > Rosemarie Hatcher was the second wife of Dareus Hatcher of Southgate, CA or Downey, California. His first wife was Mary Anne Hatcher (Schmidt) of MN. > > Dareus Hatcher and Mary Anne Hatcher had 2 children. > 1. Robert Hatcher b. 1930 in CA > 2. Marlene Hatcher b. 1931 in CA > > I am trying to locate Robert or Marlene. Can anyone help? -- http://hatch.blogspot.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whitepages.com has a Marlene M. Hatcher aged 65+ living in Encino, CA which is also part of Los Angeles. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Jim Stangel <jstangel@sasktel.net> wrote: > Rosemarie Hatcher was the second wife of Dareus Hatcher of Southgate, CA or Downey, California. His first wife was Mary Anne Hatcher (Schmidt) of MN. > > Dareus Hatcher and Mary Anne Hatcher had 2 children. > 1. Robert Hatcher b. 1930 in CA > 2. Marlene Hatcher b. 1931 in CA > > I am trying to locate Robert or Marlene. Can anyone help? -- http://hatch.blogspot.com

Rosemarie Hatcher was the second wife of Dareus Hatcher of Southgate, CA or Downey, California. His first wife was Mary Anne Hatcher (Schmidt) of MN. Dareus Hatcher and Mary Anne Hatcher had 2 children. 1. Robert Hatcher b. 1930 in CA 2. Marlene Hatcher b. 1931 in CA I am trying to locate Robert or Marlene. Can anyone help? Thanks Jim

What a total conundrum!! Who is who is who? Actually who am I? Yikes, Tony

This was John Hatcher, son of Thomas Hatcher Jr. & Martha LNU... William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. 31061 Phone: 478-454-3468 God Bless America! -----Original Message----- From: hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hatcher-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GNW Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:54 PM To: HATCHER@rootsweb.com Subject: [HATCHER] John Hatcher, Twiggs Co., GA. Death 1834 Macon Weekly Telegraph June 5, 1834 Georgia: A Proclamation. By Wilson Lumpkin, Governor and Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of this State and the Militia thereof. Whereas, I have received official information, that a murder was committed on the body ofJohn Hatcher, in the county of Twiggs, in this State, on the second day of this instant, by Joseph Sawyer; - and. whereas also, I have received official information that one one Winfield Moore committed murder on the body of Claibourn Forehand, in the county of Burke, on the eighth day of January last; - and it being represented that the said Sawyer and Moore have fled from justice, I have thought proper to issue this, my proclamation, hereby offering a reward of Four Hundred Dollars for the apprehension and delivered to the Sheriff or Jailor of said counties of Twiggs, and Burke respectively, the bodies of the said Moore and Sawyer, or Two Hundred Dollars for the deliver of either to the said Sheriff or Jailer of said counties which said murders were committed; - and I do moreover charge and require all officers, civil and military to be vigilant in endeavoring to apprehend and bring to trail the said fugitives, in order that they may undergo a trail for the offense with which they are charged. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HATCHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood "It really does help to discuss these things with someone." Absolutely! Two (or 3 or 4) heads routine. Discussions of this nature is what I think this board is for. Even if the family in question is not yours, seeing how others think, the records they've checked, the conclusions they draw, can often be helpful to someone else - the "I never thought of that" light bulb going off. "Another family legend said one of his brothers died..." The definition of legend - An UNVERIFIED story handed down from earlier times. They should never be considered as fact until proven. Way too many accept these legends in their entirety, never questioning....even after the acceptance of the legend creates a solid brick wall down the road. Nel

Nel wrote: You are correct, Winnette, about those county lines. But in this case we have: Twiggs formed from Wilkinson in 1809. Houston (west of Twiggs) formed from Creek Indian land in 1821. Bibb and Crawford formed from Houston in 1822. This places Bibb west of Twiggs which was west of Wilkinson and all established before our timeline. See a great site at http://www.familyhistory101.com/maps/ga_cf.html to follow the county formations. From this site, use the Home link to access formation maps for all the states. Wunnerful site that I use constantly. Nel Yes, Nel, I meant in general about the county lines changing. I knew these were right on this Hatcher family. I should have been more clear about that. Thanks, Winnette

Those are all good points, Nel. After I wrote you last I thought I should do a count of the slaves, their ages and etc. to see how things matched up in the two slave schedules, thinking perhaps Uncle and Mr. Virden had a parting of the ways with perhaps a great reduction in the number of slaves ggg uncle had in 1860 as opposed to 1850. He did have about 10 less, is all. I will work on the ages and also realize I need to do some work finding out about Mr. Virden, looking for wills, other land records etc. It really does help to discuss these things with someone. So I will now get busy and see if I can solve this mystery. According to family legend this ggg uncle died before 1865 but we have found no proof yet. Another family legend said one of his brothers died at age 20 but we found him hale and hearty at age 30. So much for old family legends. Thanks for your time and your in-put. Much appreciated. Burnis **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

Thanks for the additional information. I went back through the census records to see if I have missed anything. Find the uncle in the 1850 census and after his name as occupation is written what appears to be "Overseer." In the 1850 Slave Census his listing appears to be "Moore & Verdan" which seems to indicate a partnership of some kind. In the 1860 Census he is listed as "Farmer" and the next person in the household is listed as "Overseer". In the 1860 slave schedule he is listed with just his name, Nat [for Nathaniel] Moore. I feel sure I have the correct person each time because he is listed as next door to a man I know to be his brother and family. In checking land records I find he bought 640 acres in Hinds County, MS, with an Alexander Virden in 1846 and then in 1859 he bought by himself an additional 286 acres. So I am not sure what was going on. Will keep digging but I would say there is a good chance he at least began as an overseer if not of someone else's farm and slaves, perhaps for a partnership he had formed with someone else. Interesting anyway and not something I have thought of before. So thanks again for sharing what Elizabeth Shown Mills had to say on this subject. Burnis **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Just some thoughts.......he was single (no kids to feed = more $$ in pocket) and went into a partnership, buying a large amount of land (cheaply?), the partner may have provided 2 or more slaves. The land is productive and you have slaves of child bearing age. It's obvious from the 1860 that there were at least 2 or more slave families with many kids between them. So there may not have been too many slaves actually purchased over the years to come up to the number 48. The question then becomes.....what happened to Verden? Was he married with family? Or was he single, dying before 1860? Did he leave everything to your uncle? So maybe some clues to follow here??? Nite, all..... Nel

Nel, we can count on those John's & William's to always keep us spinning. I find it very difficult to follow all these time lines. I know some of the time people did not move, county lines did. All of it together requires a brain much younger than mine. That is why I appreciate every little bit of info shared by all. Thanks for all you do. Winnette -