What about a death Certificate that states a burial took place, as documentation of death date, and cemetery. can that be attached to FAG Please varify Receipt of this letter by  replying to me    [email protected] or [email protected]   Rena

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Darleen, You wrote: "As a findagrave volunteer photo taker, I have been UTL stones. When that happens, I annotate in the "problems" category so that the requester and anyone else looking at it knows what the problem was." I don't remember seeing anything on a fag page that would relate to your "problems" category. Do you have an example of a page with "problems" identified? Maybe I'm just missing something that's been there all along. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Thanks, Darleen! We've now got 1/4 of the states covered or done. And I'll let you duke it out with Martha on MN. She's also working on that state but also reached her limit. Nel

As a findagrave volunteer photo taker, I have been UTL stones. When that happens, I annotate in the "problems" category so that the requester and anyone else looking at it knows what the problem was. If I have the inclination, I may do some research locally to help identify the proper cemetery. More often, the burial was identified in the wrong cemetery. Here in WI we have a situation not generally found elsewhere. We have no "townships". What you would call a township is "Town of XXXX". Persons get village, city, and community cemeteries mixed up thinking the "Town" cemetery is for the communinty. Example, the Town of Black Creek may have a cemetery and the community called Black Creek also. The cemeteries are within 3 miles of each other. As to unmarked graves, there are many. I for one have put one of my ancestors on findagrave knowing the cemetery no longer exists. To this day, Germans reuse the cemeteries, and when they do, the old stones are tossed to the fencelines. My 4xgrandmother died 3 Jul 1854 in the port at Hamburg, Germany and was buried in the hospital cemetery 8 Jul. From an 1856 city map of Hamburg, I was able to locate the cemetery and by satalite today know it's sitting under a row of buildings. However, I have paper proof (Civil record of death) she WAS BURIED in the Kurhaus Cemetery so I've put her memorial on findagrave. Check it out: search SPIEGELBERG, death year 1854, location Germany. You can see why I did it. But back to the unmarked graves -- She was buried there but you won't find a marker. Darleen Chipman

All burials that you do not find a grave for does not mean that person is not buried there. I have many ancestors that I know for a fact are in unmarked graves. I surely cannot be expected to place markers for all of them. So, I for one will not remove a burial I have listed that does not have a grave marker. Lost graves are important too. I want to know where they went even if they are no longer marked. If someone has a problem with that, it is because they do not know their family history. I come from a long line of poor people who probably did well to have a wooden stake...But, my grandmother knew where they were all buried. I take offense that because you do not find a marker indicates the person is not buried there. I have been going through the Georgia Death Certs on line and most of those tell you where the person was buried. I am trying to account for them too. Although, they are not listed in cemetery books or a grave is found. I have a cousin who is buried in what is now an unmarked grave next to her grandparents, out in a country cemetery. I saw this grave when I was little, it was a tiny little slab of concrete. Many years later it is no longer visible and there is a sunken spot there. However, her parents bought a lot in town and had a memorial for her placed in their lot. There are a multitude of reasons that can apply in this situation. I placed her in the proper cemetery on FAG, however, the Thomas Co., cemetery book shows she is buried in town when she was not. All because there IS a marker in one and not in the other. My Grandfather's 1st wife died in 1900. They were share croppers and I am sure the reason she cannot be located in Bradford Co., Fl. is that she had no marker. FAG should have a place to list people who are buried in unknown cemeteries. I think each county should have one, however, they removed the 2 Unknown Cemetery entries I tried to make. I am sorry if I am stepping on toes here, but, I don't want any of my family forgotten, marked or unmarked. That is very important to me. You will find that I often say this is a memorial because NO ONE knows where this person is buried. Winnette --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091022-0, 10/22/2009 Tested on: 10/23/2009 9:10:54 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Winnette, You're not stepping on anyone's toes. What we have here are viewpoints from different ends of the spectrum and different goals. The problem is that while "you" may know exactly where a family member is buried, the researcher who is looking for hard evidence cannot be sure in the absense of hard evidence. When a researcher sees unsourced data on a site such as WC and sees dozens of copycats with the same data, it's not possible to know where the data came from or who first put it out there. It is, as Tim stated, nothing more than hearsay. It may be right or wrong but is useless to the serious researcher looking for proof. It's nothing more than a "maybe", a clue to follow. The same is true of fag. There is no way [at the present] to determine if Winnette is correct but Jane Doe is not correct in their individual submissions. I see this as a difficult problem for fag to solve. Having an unknown cemetery section may be fine but it seems the purpose of fag is to link individuals to specific cemeteries. The problem is more with those who claim a burial in a certain cemetery that cannot be proven. But since text entries can be made, such as obits, why couldn't that area be used to explain the exact circumstances of an unmarked or unprovable burial? When someone with family history explains that family history, it becomes more valuable to the researcher. The copycatters entering garbage they found on someone else's file could not adequately give that kind of personal explanation and their data would then become much more suspect to the researcher. Just a thought.......... And just some thoughts on the GA DCs you're working with. You may have already discovered this but I've found potential problems with DCs from all states when burial location is given as, for example, "Thomasville, GA." Further searching finds that there are x number of cems in Thomasville, including a city cemetery. Don't assume burial was in the city cem. I've also found burials listed as XYZ cem only to find out later, complete with tombstone pic, that the burial was actually in ABC cem. The informant may have given a best guess on where the deceased would be buried only to have the family bury him/her elsewhere. Ain't nothin' certain in this world 'cept death and taxes. Nel

Most all questions are answered In Findagrave 'Frequently Asked Questions'. They do have a way to create memorials through the Friend and Family feature. See Below: What if someone was cremated or does not have a traditional 'grave'? We believe everyone should be remembered equally and have built our site to support most of the common alternatives to burial, including ash scatterings, family possession of ashes and others. Anyone who has passed away can have an online memorial where relatives and friends can come and leave flowers, notes, etc. You must use the Family and Friends form to add these alternatives to traditional burial. Barb Diamond -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of GNW Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 6:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Unmarked Graves on FAG All burials that you do not find a grave for does not mean that person is not buried there. I have many ancestors that I know for a fact are in unmarked graves. I surely cannot be expected to place markers for all of them. So, I for one will not remove a burial I have listed that does not have a grave marker. Lost graves are important too. I want to know where they went even if they are no longer marked. If someone has a problem with that, it is because they do not know their family history. I come from a long line of poor people who probably did well to have a wooden stake...But, my grandmother knew where they were all buried. I take offense that because you do not find a marker indicates the person is not buried there. I have been going through the Georgia Death Certs on line and most of those tell you where the person was buried. I am trying to account for them too. Although, they are not listed in cemetery books or a grave is found. I have a cousin who is buried in what is now an unmarked grave next to her grandparents, out in a country cemetery. I saw this grave when I was little, it was a tiny little slab of concrete. Many years later it is no longer visible and there is a sunken spot there. However, her parents bought a lot in town and had a memorial for her placed in their lot. There are a multitude of reasons that can apply in this situation. I placed her in the proper cemetery on FAG, however, the Thomas Co., cemetery book shows she is buried in town when she was not. All because there IS a marker in one and not in the other. My Grandfather's 1st wife died in 1900. They were share croppers and I am sure the reason she cannot be located in Bradford Co., Fl. is that she had no marker. FAG should have a place to list people who are buried in unknown cemeteries. I think each county should have one, however, they removed the 2 Unknown Cemetery entries I tried to make. I am sorry if I am stepping on toes here, but, I don't want any of my family forgotten, marked or unmarked. That is very important to me. You will find that I often say this is a memorial because NO ONE knows where this person is buried. Winnette --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091022-0, 10/22/2009 Tested on: 10/23/2009 9:10:54 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hatcher List & Winnette, Sometimes a little extra effort can result in finding the location of a grave. You are correct, just because there is no marker dosn't mean there is no grave and also important - There is no story, and every one leaves a story. Mine may be "fat and lazy", but a story never-the-less. In a joint effort of a cousin of my Wife (Shirley Krenik), myself, The Community of Plainfield WI Sexton (Betty Petrusky) for Plainfield Cemetery, and "Find a Grave",  There is a memorial for Isaac and Nancy (Tompins) Patchen. In one more generation  The story KILLED BY INDAINS and their existance may have been forgoten. For the Story and memorial go to "Find a Grave" search page and enter memorial #  23277959 BIKERBOB   

on findagrave: I have noticed in the short time that I have been filling photo requests for findagrave that many of the requests are for people that the cemetery has no record for. It's an imperfect system and many of these contributions that can't be located are based on heresay. also regarding the copyright issues: Most of the photos have a link below the photo to the contributor. In this instance, It would not be impolite to leave a message for that person (you are also given the option to send a private email) asking to use the photo for the hatcherassn website. I don't imagine that many would have a problem with it if asked. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:00 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I have an idea.....! (nelhatch) > 2. findagrave ([email protected]) > 3. Wisconsin Hatchers on findagrave ([email protected]) > 4. Re: findagrave -Wisconsin (nelhatch) > 5. Re: I have an idea.....! ([email protected]) > 6. Re: I have an idea.....! ([email protected]) > 7. Question about findagrave photos ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:04:58 -0600 > From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] I have an idea.....! > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Sharon, > > Michigan is yours! Go fer it! > > Nel > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:12:43 -0500 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [HATCHER] findagrave > To: "HatcherList" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > sent this from the wrong email address, so will try again. /Darleen > > > > Nel, > > I'll do Hatcher's on findagrave in the state of Wisconsin. I'm already > registered. I have over 5,000 uploaded. > > FYI, when you request a photo, the volunteers for that zip code get an > email. I automatically get requests for cemeteries in zip codes within a > 15-10 mile radius. I know there are other volunteers getting the same > notice. If I know we are going one direction, I look at other zip > codes/cemeteries and plan our route to fulfill as many as possible. > > The volunteer can "claim" it or not. If "claimed" it must be done in 7 > days. > > When the volunteer has the photo, they upload it under the "fulfill" > category and when uploaded it sends the person who requested the photo an > email saying their request has been done (fulfilled). All through the > system. > > Darleen Chipman > > PS - You didn't say what you were going to do with the picture you > requested of us. I would have picked one where my hair was at least > organized! From both of us, thanks for the honor. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:21:00 -0500 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [HATCHER] Wisconsin Hatchers on findagrave > To: "HatcherList" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nel, > > Your wish is my command! > > There are only 4 HATCHER's in Wisconsin on findagrave. Requested them. > > If you want me to do some other states, just let me know. Remember, the > northern states have to be worked before the snow falls!!!! I had someone > from LA expecting a photo from a cemetery here in January. I wrote I'd get > it as soon I could get through the snow banks! > > Were you asking us to find names on the Hatcher website who are known to be > buried in Wisconsin, upload them to findagrave, and then request a photo -- > were you? That's another kettle of fish but can be done. > > Darleen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:54:04 -0600 > From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] findagrave -Wisconsin > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Darleen, > > First - Robert E Hatcher. Yes, would like to have the tombstone pic, too. > > Then - I'm more and more impressed with how findagrave operates on getting > these pics. I have more confidence in the data when I know someone, often > unrelated, took that pic. > > In the recent past I've not been overly happy with many of the Hatcher > entries that do NOT have a tombstone pic, It appears that many people are > adding names and dates of people they may only "believe" were buried there. > There are wrong names and dates being listed, additional info added that in > some cases I have proof is wrong, etc, etc. It tends to look as if people > are just adding unproven data from their family file. > > And Wisconsin is already done!! Thank you :-) > > I suspect many of the northern states will not have all that many Hatchers > per state. > > "Were you asking us to find names on the Hatcher website who are known to > be buried in Wisconsin, upload them to findagrave, and then request a photo > -- were you?" > > NO! In fact, I had not thought of that angle. That would, yes, be a > trickier can of worms :-) > > But if you're looking for more fun, you could start with Maine and work > down thru the NE states. My suspicion is that it may be only NY and NJ where > you'll find any Hatchers.....but we could still check them off the states > list as DONE. > > Now I happen to think the pic you sent was lovely!! I could've worked with > one of the reunion pics where ya' both looked like ya' lost your comb :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:02:36 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] I have an idea.....! > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Nel, > > I will take Washington state if you don't already have someone doing it! > > Martha Hatcher Welling > > In a message dated 10/21/2009 5:33:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Once in a while I have a brainstorm but this one will require a whole lot > of volunteers........that means YOU :-) > > On Findagrave at www.findagrave.com it is possible to request a pic of a > particular tombstone. I did it just now to see how the procedure works - > easy! > > This is what you would need to do....... > > 1) Volunteer for a state and I will keep track of them. > 2) Go to findagrave and search for hatcher in that state. > 3) if a Hatcher does NOT have the tombstone icon, click on his/her name to > bring up his/her page. > 4) At the bottom right of that page, you will see the Request a Photo > icon. > 5) Click it and if you're not already registered, you must register. > 6) Otherwise, enter your email addy and password. > 7) If someone has already requested a photo, you need do nothing. > 8) If not, all you need to do is click Submit > 9) Continue this process untill all Hatchers with no pic have had a > request made. > > If/when someone sends you the pic or a notification that it is now on > findagrave, just let me know and we'll get it online. > > Any takers?? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:33:08 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] I have an idea.....! > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Washington state is finished and I even requested a photo for my own dad's > marker! > > Martha Hatcher Welling > > In a message dated 10/21/2009 5:33:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Once in a while I have a brainstorm but this one will require a whole lot > of volunteers........that means YOU :-) > > On Findagrave at www.findagrave.com it is possible to request a pic of a > particular tombstone. I did it just now to see how the procedure works - > easy! > > This is what you would need to do....... > > 1) Volunteer for a state and I will keep track of them. > 2) Go to findagrave and search for hatcher in that state. > 3) if a Hatcher does NOT have the tombstone icon, click on his/her name to > bring up his/her page. > 4) At the bottom right of that page, you will see the Request a Photo > icon. > 5) Click it and if you're not already registered, you must register. > 6) Otherwise, enter your email addy and password. > 7) If someone has already requested a photo, you need do nothing. > 8) If not, all you need to do is click Submit > 9) Continue this process untill all Hatchers with no pic have had a > request made. > > If/when someone sends you the pic or a notification that it is now on > findagrave, just let me know and we'll get it online. > > Any takers?? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:43:16 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [HATCHER] Question about findagrave photos > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Nel, > The question/answer below was on find a grave. Does this mean that before > any grave marker photos can be uploaded to the Hatcher site, written > permission to do so must be obtained? > Just wondered....Martha Hatcher Welling > > I found a photo of a relative on Find A Grave, can I use it? > Photos posted to memorials on Find A Grave are copyrighted by the member > who submitted the photos. Lifting the photo to use elsewhere would be a > violation of copyright. You must obtain written permission from the member > to > use any photo for your own use. In general if you did not take the photo > yourself, you do not hold the copyright to the photo. [_Top_ > (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=listFaqs#faqTop) ] > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the HATCHER list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the HATCHER mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of HATCHER Digest, Vol 4, Issue 283 > *************************************** >

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Tim wrote: "I have noticed in the short time that I have been filling photo requests for findagrave that many of the requests are for people that the cemetery has no record for. It's an imperfect system and many of these contributions that can't be located are based on heresay." That has been my suspicion, too. But here's the question. If our guys are requesting pics of someone not found in that cem, do the volunteers notify the requestor of that fact AND notify the submitter to remove that person from findagrave? Or will that false "burial" remain forever? On the subject of asking permission, I'm sure that would work quite well for those requesting a few photos of their relatives but in my situation, it would lead to confusion and extra work. I am currently going thru each state looking for pics we don't have. And I've added dozens so far. If I were to ask permission for every pic that includes a large number of pic takers, I would be receiving permissions scattered over a wide period of time with many of them forgetting to ID the person's page or name. And as permissions come in, I must then go back in to retrieve the pic. It would end up being a very awkward and more time consuming situation for me. Nel

Nel, I finished requesting photos for Washington State last night. I just attempted to work on Minnesota but I have met my weekly limit for requests of 20, just to corroborate what someone else on the list said earlier about there being a limit to the number a person can request per week. Martha Hatcher Welling

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Thanks, Martha! Moving right along............! Nel

I have not seen them either, the names were listed this way in the cemetery book published by the Dallas Co. Historical Society. That is all I know. I do not even have a publication date. They mailed me copies of the Hatchers only. > > "Ann Elizabeth Hatcher, wife of Jas E. Hatcher is from the Cemetery Book > listings. As is James Troupe Hatcher." > > OK - but what is THEIR source? I'm aware, after discussions with Ala Bob > some time ago, that this cem is in very bad condition. Unless these names > were actually legible on their tombstones when the book was published, > I've not seen anything else to prove them. > > Nel --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091021-0, 10/21/2009 Tested on: 10/22/2009 2:53:40 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Nel, Great findagrave "volunteer" in Grand Forks ND. Photo's have been added for James Stanley, Maude E., and Pearl Hatcher in the Memorial Park Cemetery, Grand Forks, ND. Darleen J. Chipman

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Thanks, Winnette! Tried to find a website for the DallasCo Hist Soc with no luck ;-( Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Wow! That volunteer must live next to the cemetery - and no snow banks :-) Thanks, Darleen! Nel

Sorry Nel, that should be property of the Henry Crawford Hatcher Family, my mistake. Ann Elizabeth Hatcher, wife of Jas E. Hatcher is from the Cemetery Book listings. As is James Troupe Hatcher Robert Henry is Hatcher, I am doing Hatcher, Parker & White and knew I would do that at least once. Winnette --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091021-0, 10/21/2009 Tested on: 10/22/2009 12:52:16 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld "Ann Elizabeth Hatcher, wife of Jas E. Hatcher is from the Cemetery Book listings. As is James Troupe Hatcher." OK - but what is THEIR source? I'm aware, after discussions with Ala Bob some time ago, that this cem is in very bad condition. Unless these names were actually legible on their tombstones when the book was published, I've not seen anything else to prove them. Nel

Nel wrote: But I wasn't aware of techs being in the background. How do they become aware of a request for change made to one of the submitters and how are they aware thaf the change has or has not been made? Nel, You have to contact someone from FAG.... There are several listed on Who is behind Find A Grave? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=whois A.J., Robert, Katrina, etc are all quite helpful. I usually start with Katrina, she is usually prompt in her reply. Sometimes when corrections are not made it is because the contributor has died or become disabled. Giving a memorial to another person is not something they take lightly, because of the things that could have prevented the person from responding. They leave the name of the orginal submitter and then list the person who is maintaining those records. Also, some people, including me, have left flowers and added or amended the data in the note for the flowers. As Mama always said, there is more than one way to get things done, you just have to be creative. Winnette --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091021-0, 10/21/2009 Tested on: 10/22/2009 10:41:13 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Winnette, Going thru the Hatcher cem list, I have one problem. "Location: Property formerly owned by the William Crawford Hatcher Family " There is no William Crawford Hatcher that I'm aware of. But there is Henry Crawford Hatcher who would have an obvious connection to this cemetery. Ann Elizabeth Hatcher (Maiden Name?) 1815 Nov 21, 1844 Wife of James E. Hatcher Miscellaneous Alabama Newspaper Abstracts Compiled by: Michael Kelsey, Nancy Graff Floyd, Ginny Guinn Parsons, 1995. 9 January 1836, The Selma Free Press Married, on Thurday [7 Jan] evening last, by Rev. S. M. Nelson, Mr. James E. Hatcher to Miss Ann E. Morris, formerly of Charleston, S.C., all of this county. Haven't seen any evidence her name was Elizabeth. Could have been Eliza or ?? ------------------ Ann E. J. Hatcher (Maiden Name?) Jan 12, 1812 (Georgia) July 1, 1851 (Dallas Co., AL) Wife of Robert S. Hatcher Find A Grave Memorial# 43366561 No J in her name. Only one census showing her as A E Hatcher. A court case [see http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I31916&tree=WmTheIm ] lists her as Nancy Hatcher and a dau of James HAYES. -------------------------------- James Troupe Hatcher Jan 22, 1850 Sep 07, 1878 Lots of recs on this guy but none showing his middle name as Troupe. Always just James or James T. --------------------------- Martha Jane Hatcher Kennedy July 26, 1831 December 18, 1859 Wife of ??? Kennedy James E Kennedy from DallasCo, AL Marriages -------------------------- Mary Louisa Hatcher Milhous Jan 25, 1835 Dec 18, 1855 Wife of Unknown Milhous Edward D Milhous from DallasCo, AL Marriages ------------------------- Robert Henry Parker Apr 04, 1837 Aug 23, 1881 Son of Robert & Ann Hatcher No evidence of the Parker name. All recs show him as Robert Henry Hatcher. ---------------------- Robert Saunders Hatcher Oct 14, 1859 Apr 28, 1863 Son of Robt H. & Sallie Hatcher No evidence his name was Robert Saunders. We have only the 1860 census where he is shown only as R S Hatcher. His name could just as easily have been Reuben. ----------------------------- Sallie Jane Hatcher (Maiden Name?) Jul 24, 1838 Jan 17, 1908 Wife of Robert Henry Hatcher DALLAS GAZETTE DECEMBER 17, 1858 MARRIED, At the residence of the bride's mother, in Orrville, on Wednesday afternoon, December 15, 1858, by the Rev. WILLIAM RIVE, Mr. ROBERT H. HATCHER, to Miss SALLIE J. ALEXANDER, all of this county. Based on the 1850 DallasCo census, her name was Sarah and she was sister of Margaret, wife of Henry C Hatcher. ------------------------------ Willie Virgil Hatcher Sep 17, 1869 May 1, 1938 Find A Grave Memorial# 42172287 Who does he belong to? William Virgil, s/o Robert H/Sallie Alexander This should keep ya busy and out of mischief :-) Nel