Judith, I just tried to call Jeanne and got a voice mail to leave a message. I really didn't want to call, as she is one of the people older than me. She was born 17 November 1928! I just sent her an e-mail and asked her to call me and that I would call her right back on my nickel, but the e-mail address no longer exists and I suspect that the phone number is no longer hers. I'm sure we talked before, but I couldn't find you in my file. Paul 734 207 7924 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Bowen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Hatchers and Duncans - Quakers > Paul, > > About 10 years ago you and I got information from a Jeanne Vicario in > Bellefontaine. She sent info. about Joshua Gregg Hatcher. If she is > still around, I wonder if she heard any family secrets. Judy B > > > -----Original message----- > From: "Paul Hatcher" [email protected] > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:50:42 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Hatchers and Duncans - Quakers > >> >> Nel, >> >> Joshua Gregg 'J. Gregg' HATCHER >> Born 24 September 1856, Logan county, Ohio. >> Son of Sarah J. HANEY >> His birth is right in the middle of James Duncan HATCHER'S births! >> >> I checked your site to see if you found a hole to plug him into, and you >> didn't, but I did notice this: >> Mother: Sarah J. HANEY >> Spouse name : Sarah Leveck >> Father name : Hatches ? >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Geeze, Paul! Sleletons falling out of closets everywhere!! :-) >> > >> > I wasn't aware that James D had such a reputation, but I'd say it's >> > probably very likely he's Robert's father, too, and perhaps one of >> > those >> > "other 2" from family lore. >> > >> > I found Anderson in the 1850 Sandusky census living with a Carter >> > family. >> > Easy to miss because his age was transcribed as 93!! But very sloppy >> > writing and I'm positive it was really 43. No wife or kids and haven't >> > found him later. >> > >> > But who is this "loose Hatcher" in HardinCo? Inquiring minds want to >> > know >> > :-) >> > >> > Nel >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paul, About 10 years ago you and I got information from a Jeanne Vicario in Bellefontaine. She sent info. about Joshua Gregg Hatcher. If she is still around, I wonder if she heard any family secrets. Judy B -----Original message----- From: "Paul Hatcher" [email protected] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:50:42 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Hatchers and Duncans - Quakers > > Nel, > > Joshua Gregg 'J. Gregg' HATCHER > Born 24 September 1856, Logan county, Ohio. > Son of Sarah J. HANEY > His birth is right in the middle of James Duncan HATCHER'S births! > > I checked your site to see if you found a hole to plug him into, and you > didn't, but I did notice this: > Mother: Sarah J. HANEY > Spouse name : Sarah Leveck > Father name : Hatches ? > > Paul > > > > > > > > Geeze, Paul! Sleletons falling out of closets everywhere!! :-) > > > > I wasn't aware that James D had such a reputation, but I'd say it's > > probably very likely he's Robert's father, too, and perhaps one of those > > "other 2" from family lore. > > > > I found Anderson in the 1850 Sandusky census living with a Carter family. > > Easy to miss because his age was transcribed as 93!! But very sloppy > > writing and I'm positive it was really 43. No wife or kids and haven't > > found him later. > > > > But who is this "loose Hatcher" in HardinCo? Inquiring minds want to know > > :-) > > > > Nel > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Folks, I've now got Robert L and Joshua Gregg attached to James Duncan on the Quaker file. And that's caused the removal of about 70 people from the Unc file!! Not a bad day's work!! We also have a pic of Anderson Duncan - thanks to Paul. Nel

Nel, Mary Malinda's sister, but un-named. Now that you have found her siblings we might be able to figure it out. Mary was ill and her sister came to help out, and apparently including her husband! Maude was conceived in 1871, so any of the sisters are possible. Paul ----- Original Message ----- > Paul, a question. > > I show Maud as a dau of James D and Mary M. I'm assuming from what you > said earlier that Maud was illegitimate? Therefore, not Mary M's dau? Who > was the mother? > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

WOW! ~drooling~ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:37:02 -0700 > Subject: [HATCHER] DAR site......... > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Mary Ellen Cunningham just sent me this Christmas present - thank you! > > http://dar.org/library/online_research.cfm > > The DAR now has online their RW Patriots file with an explanation of those patriots who are now questionable based on some sloppy practices by the DAR years ago - accepting patriots with minimal and weak evidence. > > I remember in particular receiving a msg from a descendant of Vincent Allentharpe asking if I had proof of his service because the DAR would not accept her application piggybacking off another earlier accepted app, telling her she needed to prove his service. She was livid when I explained what the DAR had discovered and she INSISTED he was a patriot. His name is not even on the DAR site, questionable or otherwise. > > So do check their site before accepting old DAR records as a source for an ancestor or as proof of their service. > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/

Nel, Joshua Gregg 'J. Gregg' HATCHER Born 24 September 1856, Logan county, Ohio. Son of Sarah J. HANEY His birth is right in the middle of James Duncan HATCHER'S births! I checked your site to see if you found a hole to plug him into, and you didn't, but I did notice this: Mother: Sarah J. HANEY Spouse name : Sarah Leveck Father name : Hatches ? Paul > > Geeze, Paul! Sleletons falling out of closets everywhere!! :-) > > I wasn't aware that James D had such a reputation, but I'd say it's > probably very likely he's Robert's father, too, and perhaps one of those > "other 2" from family lore. > > I found Anderson in the 1850 Sandusky census living with a Carter family. > Easy to miss because his age was transcribed as 93!! But very sloppy > writing and I'm positive it was really 43. No wife or kids and haven't > found him later. > > But who is this "loose Hatcher" in HardinCo? Inquiring minds want to know > :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Nel! JW Garrett ------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:33:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] A change to our file......... > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Good morning, JW! > > John Burton's dau Mary married 1st, John Davis and 2nd, William Glover. But John did have a dau Ann as mentioned in the will of his son, John Jr, dated 1679. All this can be found on the file. My guess is that Ann died unmarried before 1690 when John Sr's will was written. > > The marriage rec for Wm Hatcher states only that he married a dau of John Burton. Seems everyone had assumed she could only be Ann or Rachel, finally settling on Ann because of her release of dower on a Hatcher deed dated 1704. But when a married dau dies without children, as it appears is the case with William's wife, the odds of finding her name in any record is slim. > > John Jr's will, 1679, mentions the 3 children of sister Rachel [no surname] and Sr's will mentions his dau, Rachel BURTON. Her children were illegitimate and it's always been my belief that they had a Hatcher father, producing the Burton line that matches our Hatcher DNA. > > We seem to be on a roll with illegitimate kids lately :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul and Nel, If you tell me what you want and where to find it, I will try and get you the information you want. As I live in Hardin Co. I can cover Logan Co., too. I can do the Library, Courthouse, or Genealogy Societies. I'm on short term medical and getting bored. Judy B. Or walk a cemetery.

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld OK! I'm transferring Zach's family over to the Quakers but when I'm thru, I'll take a closer look at MM's sisters. I do know it wasn't Julia since she supposedly died c1866.......... Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Paul, a question. I show Maud as a dau of James D and Mary M. I'm assuming from what you said earlier that Maud was illegitimate? Therefore, not Mary M's dau? Who was the mother? Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld You're welcome, JW! Y'all come back again :-) Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Good morning, JW! John Burton's dau Mary married 1st, John Davis and 2nd, William Glover. But John did have a dau Ann as mentioned in the will of his son, John Jr, dated 1679. All this can be found on the file. My guess is that Ann died unmarried before 1690 when John Sr's will was written. The marriage rec for Wm Hatcher states only that he married a dau of John Burton. Seems everyone had assumed she could only be Ann or Rachel, finally settling on Ann because of her release of dower on a Hatcher deed dated 1704. But when a married dau dies without children, as it appears is the case with William's wife, the odds of finding her name in any record is slim. John Jr's will, 1679, mentions the 3 children of sister Rachel [no surname] and Sr's will mentions his dau, Rachel BURTON. Her children were illegitimate and it's always been my belief that they had a Hatcher father, producing the Burton line that matches our Hatcher DNA. We seem to be on a roll with illegitimate kids lately :-) Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Oh, boy!! A volunteer! Cemetery walker! Dusty courthouse digger!! Judy, let me check out a few things and I'll get back to you on your offer. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Paul, You sweet thang, you!! I was hoping you would say it was Joshua Gregg. It's all starting to make sense, hey?? While it's not likely any of this can be proven, it seems there's enough evidence that J D had more than just a roving eye that I can at least suggest him as the father of these 2 boys. Now if I could solve the Eichelberger case............. :-) Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Mary Ellen Cunningham just sent me this Christmas present - thank you! http://dar.org/library/online_research.cfm The DAR now has online their RW Patriots file with an explanation of those patriots who are now questionable based on some sloppy practices by the DAR years ago - accepting patriots with minimal and weak evidence. I remember in particular receiving a msg from a descendant of Vincent Allentharpe asking if I had proof of his service because the DAR would not accept her application piggybacking off another earlier accepted app, telling her she needed to prove his service. She was livid when I explained what the DAR had discovered and she INSISTED he was a patriot. His name is not even on the DAR site, questionable or otherwise. So do check their site before accepting old DAR records as a source for an ancestor or as proof of their service. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Geeze, Paul! Sleletons falling out of closets everywhere!! :-) I wasn't aware that James D had such a reputation, but I'd say it's probably very likely he's Robert's father, too, and perhaps one of those "other 2" from family lore. I found Anderson in the 1850 Sandusky census living with a Carter family. Easy to miss because his age was transcribed as 93!! But very sloppy writing and I'm positive it was really 43. No wife or kids and haven't found him later. But who is this "loose Hatcher" in HardinCo? Inquiring minds want to know :-) Nel

Nel, Re: Wm Hatchers's wife Ann I have often wondered why Wm & Ann did not have their fist child till abt 13 yrs later (by 1695) from the time of their marriage which I find odd. John Burton does not mention a daughter Ann but he mention his other two daughters Mary Glover & Rachel Burton in his 1690 will. He also mentions grandchildren with surname "Davis". To whom did they belong? Were they children of a dec'd daughter? Makes one wonder if John Burton actually had a daughter Ann or if she died w/o children before Johns will in 1690. JW Garrett ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:11:14 -0700 > Subject: [HATCHER] A change to our file......... > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood > > Cuzins, > > The niggly problems I've had with the marriage of Wm Hatcher to "Anne Burton" got to be too much for me today so I've made a few changes regarding William and his "wives." You can see the changes I've made and my reasons for those changes are in the Notes section at the bottom of the page. > > http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I41323&tree=WmTheIm > > Questions or comments welcome! > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Mike for providing the Wilmer Hatcher family photo's from Solon Cemetery......Winnette http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=44278634 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091125-1, 11/25/2009 Tested on: 11/30/2009 7:20:04 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Nel, You might be on to something. I have all the pictures available from my line. Included is a picture of a distinguished looking gent named Anderson Duncan. I thought he might be Mary Malinda's father. I have never been able to find him in any census. My aunt Lucille, who I spent a lot of time with, was raised by James Duncan Hatcher's son, James Orlando Hatcher and inherited all the pictures and folklore. She was born only 7 and 9 years after they died. She said she thought the Duncans were from Sandusky or Sandusky county, Ohio. I have talked to several of the descendants of Maud Hatcher, the only provable illegitament child of James Duncan, but they thought they came from California. But I have never been able to find an Anderson Duncan in any census. Somehow, I never thought of Anderson being a brother. Lucille said James Duncan Hatcher fathered 2 other illegitament children but she had no other info. There is another loose Hatcher in Harden county, Ohio, the county just above Logan county, where James Duncan was a school teacher! Paul

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Folks, I've solved the mystery - most of it! Zachariah Duncan is the father of both Anderson and Mary Malinda who md James Duncan Hatcher. I found the deed of a land purchase for Zach with the Sec/Twp description. Then later, I found this same land being sold by Malinda, Anderson, Margaret, and another dau, Elizabeth. All the recs haven't been found but each is selling 1/7 of each parcel of land so we know 7 kids survived. Check out http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I215074&tree=UncHat for all the data collected for Zach and kids. Now that I know who this family is, tomorrow I will be transferring Zach et al, along with Robert L Hatcher, to the Quaker file. Don't yet know who Robert's daddy is but we've narrowed down the suspects! Linda - there's no Lewis Hatcher in the 1860 but there is a Lewis "Stadter" which if you try hard enough could be guessed as Hatcher. Nel