Will of Abel T. Hatcher First: Pay funeral expenses Second: *Use* of remainder of estate, both realty and chattels to wife Phebe Elizabeth Hatcher as long as she lives. Third: At her death, whatever may remain, to be divided between two sons as follows: To Casper Lewis one third of the remainder, and to Fred Marshall two thirds of the remainder. Fourth: If Casper should die before his present wife, then his share to go to Fred Marshall. Fifth: Does not want will probated. Executed and signed this 15th day of March 1897 Witnesses: Orville R. Pegg and William H. Smith Deposition: In one of the depositions in the file, Elizabeth Hatcher spells the name of Abel’s first wife as Eckelbarger. This is the remainder of the info in the file. I had thought that there was a Will of Elizabeth Hatcher but I was wrong.

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Shirley, The wills are definitely important, too. Since they were married in 1855, I'm still having some difficulty believing Harry and Fred, bn 1873 and 1878, were her natural born sons. To start having children 18 and 23 yrs after you were married is quite a stretch. Yes, I know Harry's tombstone supposed says son of A T and E. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Big 'ol WOW! That's exactly the stuff we need to nail this down, Shirley! BUT! You can't send attachments to the list. If you can send them to me, I will get them online. I know what you mean by inches thick. So choose only the most important docs that actually provide meaningful names, dates, places. Nel

Yes, I sent everyone a blank page. Not intentionally, I assure you. I attempted to attach a word file to the e-mail and obviously did something wrong. This is in regard to Abel Thomas Hatcher. I have a copy of the Pension File for him. The file is about 1 1/2 inches thick and is full of claims, affidavits and documents. The gist of it is that Able contracted Yellow Fever when he was with the army in Kentucky during the Civil War. He spent some time in the hospital in Louisville. It appears that the army mustered him out when it appeared he could not return to active duty. He spent the rest of his life unable to work because of the continuing effects of the disease. He repeatedly applied for a pension which the army initially rejected but finally after several tries, he was granted $12 a month. After his death, his widow applied for a widow's pension and seemed to go through the same run-around with the government. I came across some interesting facts in the Declaration For Widow's Pension. Elizabeth Hatcher, aged 60 years a resident of Rushsylvania, County of Logan, State of Ohio made the following declaration: that she was the widow of Abel T. Hatcher enrolled under the name of Abel T. Hatcher at Rushsylvania, O on the 30th day of August 1862 as a Sergeant in Company K 121 Regiment Ohio Infantry and honorably discharged June 25, 1863. Also stated in the application was that she was married under the name of Elizabeth Patrick to said soldier at Rushsylvania on the 11th day of November 1855, by Daniel Hatcher J.P.; that there was no legal barrier to the marriage; that she had not been previously married; that the soldier was previously married to Jane Eichelbarger who died January 19, 1855 at Rushsylvania, Ohio. Witnesses to this application were Casper L Hatcher and Fred Hatcher, both of Rushsylvania. Several things came up during this process. Elizabeth had to send affidavits of acquaintances to swear that she was the same Elizabeth as Phoebe Elizabeth Patrick. She once stated that she had gone by the name Elizabeth Hatcher for many years because she did not like the name Phoebe. Another interesting thing in the affidavits' is that some testified at being at the funeral of Abel's first wife. One, signed by Jane Hatcher said: " I was at Abel T. Hatchers home (where or when) his first wife died on the 19th of January 1855. Included is a Certified Copy of Marriage Record of Abel T. Hatcher and Phebe E. Patrick signed by D. Hatcher J.P. Widow's Pension Document states that Elizabeth was entitled to $20 per month, commencing Sep. 8, 1918. Wife during Civil War service. Note* This is 10 years after Abel's death. Her pension was to be increased to $50 per month on Oct 25, 1926. A copy of a letter from Elizabeth's son, F. Hatcher is included inquiring why his mother had not received the increased amount in her checks. I have more pages to go through including the wills of Abel and Elizabeth and will share anything meaningful. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:19 AM, nelhatch <[email protected]> wrote: > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Shirley, > > You sent a blank msg to the list. > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Maybe a cemetery search in Sandusky county would turn up the mother if she never married. Most of the Duncans settled in Kentucky, but not this branch. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [HATCHER] The Hatchers and Duncans - a question > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > OK - I think there are too many possibilities here to ever come up with a > solid answer.....so I think I'll toss this one in the closet with the > other skeletons :-) > > Thanks, Paul!! > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Paul, > > That's kind of an ah-hah moment. Anderson [maybe] brought the baby to > LoganCo? But why does that necessarily mean Maude was James' kid? Her > mother may well have been one of Anderson's sisters but maybe this sister > died in childbirth and Maud's father couldn't raise her for one reason or > other. Is that possible? > > Right now I know that sister Margaret was still alive in 1880. I'm > considering her as a possibility. But I'm having trouble finding sister > Elizabeth after the 1850 census - don't know if she's dead or alive in > 1872. > > I could be wrong but I'm almost guessing Maude was not an infant if > Anderson brought her to Logan. Somehow I don't see this guy changing > diapers mile after mile. And that's another thought. Anderson was born > c1810. Now I have to wonder why this 65-70 yr old man got stuck with the > job.....hmmmm! > > So now I'm really wondering....was she really James' dau? Or perhaps that > was assumed because she was listed as a dau in the 1880 census? Hmmm, > hmmm, hmmm! > > Things to consider.........! > > But no, there are no other children for Zach. The sale of those 1/7 > parcels by the kids after Zach died tells us how many living kids he had. > And we've got them all accounted for. > > Nel > Lucille was raised by her grandfather, James Orlando HATCHER. She knew Maud very well for many years and Maude knew who her father was, but I don't think Lucille knew Maude's mother, if Maude even knew her mother. She may have died in childbirth. She was pretty old to be having children. Who knows, the mother might even have been married. Anything can turn up when one stirs the pot. Paul > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paul, A few important questions for you. Do you know why Maude was raised by James and Mary M? Since she was illegitimate, what happened to her mother? Did she die? Was Maude born in LoganCo? Nel, I don't know, I didn't find her birth. I never checked Sandusky. Sandusky is not in Sandusky county, it is in Erie county today. I don't know where it was in 1872. James Duncan HATCHER was her father and Mary Malinda (DUNCAN) HATCHER was her aunt. ________ DUNCAN may not have known she was pregnant until she got back home. Maybe her brother, Anderson brought the baby to Logan county. By 1872 Zachariah's family was probably scattered all over. Also, unless we find more children for Zak, Maude's mother would have been at least 39 years old at birth. Excerpted from Memoirs of the Miami Valley, Vol. III, Page 328 : James Duncan HATCHER was born in Perry Twp.,Logan,Ohio and here reared and educated. He grew to manhood around East Liberty, Perry Twp., Logan county, Ohio and Mount Tabor, and as a young man taught school for one term. Also, he learned the trade of cabinet maker, at which he worked for some years at Rushsylvania. Farming, however, was the principal occupation of his life, and after leaving Rushsylvania with his family he purchased a property in Hardin county, on which he carried on operations for eight years. Returning to Logan county, he resumed operations in Perry Twp. , January 11, 1874, on a small rented property, which continued to be his home eight years. He then bought a small property, in addition to which he rented other land, and carried on his operations as an agriculturist on these tracts until his death in 1899, his widow surviving him three years. They were the parents of five children, of whom three survive: John A., Libbie and James Orlando. James Duncan and Malinda (DUNCAN) HATCHER were listed with his father's family in the 1858 Salem township, Champaign county, Ohio Census, as a carpenter. According to Freda Lucille HATCHER, his great-granddaughter, and family tradition, he was the father of at least two illegitimate children. One of which was with his sister-in-law, ________ DUNCAN. They had a daughter, Maude, on 2 Jan., 1872 when James Duncan HATCHER was almost 50 years old. Maude was raised by her father and aunt, Mary Malinda (DUNCAN) HATCHER. He had another child named Lydia or Margaret whose mother was possibly Lydia or Margaret MOWRY? or LOWERY. She was unsure. Lucille also vaguely remembered talk of another child with a different mother - details unknown. Excerpt of letter from Roger Paul HATCHER, PhD., relating stories told to him by his father Paul HATCHER (nee Robert Paul HATCHER): "One of his favorite stories had to do with Maud INSKIP [Maud E. (HATCHER) INSKEEP - JPH] , the illegitimate daughter of James Duncan HATCHER. Dad said that James was a rather vain man who worked as a cabinet maker and at times, as a teacher in town (East Liberty?). He fancied himself as a ladies' man and always kept himself looking sharp. Dad said that he had James' silver combs among his possessions. He always laughed that James carried these combs around to keep himself looking good for the girls." James Duncan HATCHER died of bowel cancer.

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld When I get to OH on Findagrave, I'll take a look for them. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld OK - I think there are too many possibilities here to ever come up with a solid answer.....so I think I'll toss this one in the closet with the other skeletons :-) Thanks, Paul!! Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Paul, That's kind of an ah-hah moment. Anderson [maybe] brought the baby to LoganCo? But why does that necessarily mean Maude was James' kid? Her mother may well have been one of Anderson's sisters but maybe this sister died in childbirth and Maud's father couldn't raise her for one reason or other. Is that possible? Right now I know that sister Margaret was still alive in 1880. I'm considering her as a possibility. But I'm having trouble finding sister Elizabeth after the 1850 census - don't know if she's dead or alive in 1872. I could be wrong but I'm almost guessing Maude was not an infant if Anderson brought her to Logan. Somehow I don't see this guy changing diapers mile after mile. And that's another thought. Anderson was born c1810. Now I have to wonder why this 65-70 yr old man got stuck with the job.....hmmmm! So now I'm really wondering....was she really James' dau? Or perhaps that was assumed because she was listed as a dau in the 1880 census? Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm! Things to consider.........! But no, there are no other children for Zach. The sale of those 1/7 parcels by the kids after Zach died tells us how many living kids he had. And we've got them all accounted for. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Paul, A few important questions for you. Do you know why Maude was raised by James and Mary M? Since she was illegitimate, what happened to her mother? Did she die? Was Maude born in LoganCo? And we've now got a pic online for Julia Ann Duncan, mother of Robert, thanks to Linda Stevens. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Folks, Our volunteers have been requesting and receiving tombstone pics from a number of states. And I have been working my way thru each state adding pics to our file. The following is the list of states that have been processed to date. That does not mean new pics will not continue to come in but only that I've added everything I could that's currently on Findagrave. Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oregon Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont Washington, Washington DC, Wisconsin I am currently working on and requesting pics for Alabama. California is also still being processed. If you'd like to work on a state requesting photos, these are the ones still available. Arkansas, Arizona Georgia Illinois, Indiana, Iowa Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming Just a suggestion but I would select the warm states first. That's where you'll get the most action this time of year. Cheers, Nel

Thanks again Nel for your response JW Garrett --------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:56:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] A change to our file......... > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > JW, > > Ain't gonna' get much feedback on this one. All the Burton "stuff" is eons old and unsourced........so I cheated and removed it :-) I now have only an unnamed wife and those kids who have been ID'd from records on our file. > > For giggles, I checked WC and never saw so much garbage in my life. He must have been married to half the women in Henrico if you go by some of these files! > > But I will say one thing about dower releases. The majority seem not to have survived and many have been found randomly in other court records. I would say only that John's wife died before his will was written without putting any date to it. The fact that no release was found in 1684 does not really tell you anything. With literally hundreds of Hatcher [seller, not buyer] deeds on our file, I would guess less than 5% have had a dower release found. > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld JW, Ain't gonna' get much feedback on this one. All the Burton "stuff" is eons old and unsourced........so I cheated and removed it :-) I now have only an unnamed wife and those kids who have been ID'd from records on our file. For giggles, I checked WC and never saw so much garbage in my life. He must have been married to half the women in Henrico if you go by some of these files! But I will say one thing about dower releases. The majority seem not to have survived and many have been found randomly in other court records. I would say only that John's wife died before his will was written without putting any date to it. The fact that no release was found in 1684 does not really tell you anything. With literally hundreds of Hatcher [seller, not buyer] deeds on our file, I would guess less than 5% have had a dower release found. Nel

Nel, Another question re: John Burtons wife & mother of his children. How do you reason that John md 1st Rachel Hutchins, 2nd unknown & mother of children, and 3rd Mary Coxe. With no proof, only by paper trail, I have that John Burton md Mary Coxe approx 1652. She was d/o Wm Coxe & Elizabeth Hutchins. Wm Cox & Isaac Hutchins, Elizabeths brother, purchased land together. John Cox assigned land to John Burton in 1667 in "Longfield". When John Burton sold land in Feb 1683/84 no wife was mentioned to relinquish her dower rights, thus "assumed" Mary Coxe? died prior Feb 1683/84. Thus, I suspect that Mary Coxe was mother of John Burtons children. Also Johns first daughter was named Mary b. abt 1653. John Burton's son Robert Burton had a son Hutchins Burton b. 1694. According to source Hutchins Burton md Susannah Allen. Feedback most certainly welcomed JW Garrett ------------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:33:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] A change to our file......... > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Good morning, JW! > > John Burton's dau Mary married 1st, John Davis and 2nd, William Glover. But John did have a dau Ann as mentioned in the will of his son, John Jr, dated 1679. All this can be found on the file. My guess is that Ann died unmarried before 1690 when John Sr's will was written. > > The marriage rec for Wm Hatcher states only that he married a dau of John Burton. Seems everyone had assumed she could only be Ann or Rachel, finally settling on Ann because of her release of dower on a Hatcher deed dated 1704. But when a married dau dies without children, as it appears is the case with William's wife, the odds of finding her name in any record is slim. > > John Jr's will, 1679, mentions the 3 children of sister Rachel [no surname] and Sr's will mentions his dau, Rachel BURTON. Her children were illegitimate and it's always been my belief that they had a Hatcher father, producing the Burton line that matches our Hatcher DNA. > > We seem to be on a roll with illegitimate kids lately :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Joshua Gregg Hatcher, bn 1857, was illegitimate yet from the age of 3 yrs old, he never used his mother's maiden name [Haney]. My understanding is that an illegitimate child would carry his mother's maiden name unless his father legally admitted paternity. And "legally" means there should be a record at the courthouse or "somewhere." Am I correct on this? And if so, which group of records might this be found in? Nel