HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld >From Henry and Nancy's bible........ Robert Hatcher, a son of Henry Hatcher was born April 19th, 1780. Phoebe Hatcher was born May 16th 1782, daughter of Henry Hatcher. Elizabeth Hatcher was born Feb. 17th 1784. Henry Hatcher was born Dec. 2nd 1785. Nancy's parents were Robert Haskins and Elizabeth Hill. Would it be a stretch to think that perhaps Henry's parents were Henry and Phoebe? Hmmm..........! Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Looks like I have a niggly note on RW Henry's page referring to his and Nancy's bible where his name was entered as Henry JR. "It is also not clear why Henry Hatcher would be listed as a Jr." Hmmm........maybe it's a whole lot clearer now :-) Lots of interesting tidbits out there when your eyes are wide open! Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Folks, I think I've found an error in connections for one of our testers, We have Josh [4942] descending thru Julius, s/o Hen/Marg and James [113640] descending thru Henry bn 1755, s/o Josiah. Josh and James both show the same mutation. Josh claims descent thru Henry/Lound's line while James claims descent thru Ben/Liz's line. This mutation does not appear in the results of proven Ben/Liz descendants of Henry. Josh's tree is much more provable than is James' tree. James' Henry bn 1755 is the RW vet who md Nancy Haskins. His recs begin in the 1810 KY census. How he got connected as Josiah's son is not at all clear nor does it appear to be proven. I have to say that RW Henry is likely s/o Henry IV, s/o Henry/Marg and belongs to the Henry/Lound line. Considering the fact we have so many Henrys from 2 different lines living so near each other, it does not surprise me that a wrong connection was made. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Good morning, y'all! And all the pieces fit - no leftovers, no more nigglies! This is how the final picture looks....... Ben/Liz Greenhaugh ......Henry b1671 md Jane who md John Butler ..........Henry c1695 md Susanna Williamson .........Josiah md 1) Unk Cheatham, 2) Ann Eliza .........Samuel md Mary Walthall Henry/Anne Lound ......Henry b c1669 md Dorothy Hardaway c1693 .........Henry b c1695-1700 md Margaret LNU The major change was switching Josiah and Samuel as sons of Henry/Dorothy to Henry/Jane. After an analysis of my timeline, many records were moved from one person to another, mainly between the various Henrys. We now have a rough death date for Henry/Jane. Henry's last know rec was Sept 1750 and John Butler died about Mar 1754. Jane and John were not married that long before his death. A major problem was the fact that Henry/Susan, Henry/Dorothy and Henry/Marg all lived within a few miles of each other on or near Swift Creek in ChesterfieldCo. Sorting out who was who required the most effort. Henry/Jane became less of a problem when it was determined they lived in GoochlandCo from about 1730. To get a picture of all this, draw a line down the center of the paper. On the left is Goochland. On the right is Chesterfield. Henry/Jane lived in Goochland [left]. Their sons Henry and Josiah lived in Chesterfield south of Swift creek [right]. Son Samuel owned land that straddled the line, some in Goochland, some in Chesterfield. So we have......Henry/Jane....Sam straddling the line....Henry/Susan and Josiah just to the right [east] of Sam. A couple of miles further east of Henry and Josiah we have Henry/Dor and Henry/Marg on Swift creek and Nissons branch. Separating these 2 families was John Burton. Bros Henry and Josiah were very active in land dealings while Henry/Dor and son kept a much lower profile, seeming to have been content with the land they owned and lived on. I also believe, unless there are some unidentified daughters, that Henry/Dorothy had no children after 1701 and that Henry/Marg was their only son. No other stray Hatchers have been found in this timeframe or location. In addition to switching records, many minor dates/places were corrected. File changes are now completed. I'll now work on the DNA results page and correct anything that needs to be fixed. I'll let y'all know when I'm done with that. Happy Easter, everyone!! Nel

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Lace_Lynch Surnames: Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.hatcher/1995/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Caldwell, Lorraine Wynonah, age 77, of Clayton, Ohio, peacefully slipped into the arms of God Friday, January 29, 2010 at Miami Valley Hospital. Born June 19, 1932 in Pine Bluff, Arkansas to the late Luther and Birdie Hatcher. A graduate of Lincoln University in Jefferson City, Missouri, University of Wisconsin, and Wright State University. Devoted physical education teacher for the Dayton, Ohio Public Schools for many years. An active and dedicated member of Trip 10 Tripoly Club, Top Ladies of Distinction, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Beta Eta Omega Chapter, and Amer Court No 65. Lorraine was a devoted member of Corinthian Baptist Church. Preceded in death by her stepmother, Evelyn Young Hatcher. Lorraine is survived by loving cousins, Mattie Harris, Daphne Harris, Mayme Knight, Theresa Knight and many friends and devoted caregivers. Home going service will be held 11 am Thursday, February 4, 2010 at Corinthian Baptist Church, 700 S. James H. McGee Blvd. Rev. Dr. P. E. Henderson, Jr., Pastor officiating. Memorial service performed by three organizations will be from 10 to 11 am. Arrangements entrusted to the HOUSE OF WHEAT Funeral Home, Inc., 2107 N. Gettysburg Ave. Final disposition cremation. Thank you to the staffs of Shiloh Springs Care Center and Maria Joseph for their loving care. In lieu of flowers please make donations to Corinthian Baptist Church, Erma L. Jones Scholarship Fund in honor of Lorraine H. Caldwell. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Folks, Nancy Butler has just sent me the following item of interest and perhaps a compelling reason for Henry and Dorothy to leave Henrico, at least for some years - thanks, Nancy! Nel ---------------------- Twice condemned: slaves and the criminal laws of Virginia, 1705-1865 By Philip, p 72 One of the 1701 sessions of the Henrico County Court dealt with Daniel, the property of Henry Lewis. The slave was convicted of raping Dorothy Hatcher, wife of Henry Hatcher, after breaking and entering the couple's house. Daniel was hanged and his head placed on a pole near the James River to Deter Negroes and other Slaves from Committing the Like Crymes and Offences --- a stark reminder of what awaited slaves accused of aggression. 12 12. Catterall, Judicial Cases, I, 79; MCGC, 520; Governor Nicholson to Board of Trade, December 1, 1701, in Colonial Office, Class 5, No. 1312, Pt. II, fols. 22-23, VCRP.

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Folks, I mentioned earlier that the Moody name mentioned in connection to Hatchers could be important. I've been on a hunt today and found the following regarding the Henry Moody found on a few records of Samuel Hatcher, including the witnessing of Sam's will. Below is the only ref I've found directly connecting Henry Moody to the Hatchers. "He" is Francis Redford, stepfather of Samuel Moody, 2nd husband of Anne Lound Hatcher. Francis died 1693 in Henrico. "He appointed Lt. Col. John Farrar, Robert Bullington, and "son in law [stepson]" Samuel Moody overseers of his estate. His will left one mare to "grandson in law" Samuel Moody Jr. Anne and her husband evidently left Henrico County for no Moody appeared in the deed books of Henrico County for almost fifty years after Henry Lound's gift to his daughter with that name in 1678. Not until 1726 did Henry Moody witness a deed there. Another witness to this same deed was Anne's GRANDSON Samuel Hatcher [1770.1.2]. Thirty-six years later, in 1762, Henry Moody Sr. and Henry Moody Jr, witnessed Samuel Hatcher's will. Mary Lound, the daughter of Henry and Ann Lound, married Capt. Henry Batte [1762]. Virginians - The Family History of John W. Pritchett www.virginians.com Copyright © 2001-2003" Since Pritchett's site is no longer accessible [he is now selling CDs], I cannot see his ref to this deed that Henry Moody and Sam Hatcher witnessed. But from a well documented book, "Francis Moody (1769-1821) His Ancestors, Descendants, and Related Families and All Moodys in the Early Records of Chesterfield County, Virginia" Compiled by Clara Lorene (Cammack) Park, we find the following: "The earliest county record we have for Henry Moody (Sr. I), grandfather of Francis Moody, is in Henrico County, Virginia, and is dated March 15, 1725, at which time Thomas Jefferson signed his last will in the presence of Henry Moody (Sr. I) and Benjamin Branch, who, in turn signed the will as witnesses." This Tom Jefferson is found as witness to several Hatcher recs, including the original deeds from John Greenhaugh to his gsons in 1674. The above book appears to be well documented and highly respected by those who have read it. This book apparently does not attempt to assign parents to Henry Moody. "Anne's GRANDSON Samuel Hatcher" - this one unsourced reference from Pritchett may have been the source for Samuel Hatcher being attached as a son of Henry/Dorothy, son of Anne Lound Hatcher Moody. Several WC sites show no parents for Henry Moody. Some show his father as Robert Moody, brother of Samuel. None show Henry as son of Samuel and Anne. At this point, I can see no way to connect Sam Hatcher as being a relative of this Henry Moody and certainly there is nothing here to make the claim Sam was Anne's grandson. I can at best only call it coincidence that they were neighbors at various points in time, particularly with so many decades between Anne Lound Hatcher marrying Sam Moody [c1678] and any witnessing by Henry Moody and Sam Hatcher in 1725. Nel

Hi Nel: This statement confuses me: "But this Henry Sr's wife is supposed to be Dorothy. Yet Dorothy gave power of attorney to Josiah in the settlement of Henry Sr's estate which eliminates Josiah as her son. An heir to that estate would have a conflict of interest in representing his mother and would never have been given POA by the court." My mother gave me her POA after my father died so that I could help her with any legal matters as necessary. Why could not Dorothy have given a POA to her "son" Josiah so that he could help her with the legal matters involved in the estate settlement? That would have been the logical thing to do. Or, were the POA regulations different back then? Thanks for any clarification. Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> To: "HATCHERLIST" <[email protected]> Cc: "James Maloney" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: [HATCHER] A Henry progress report.......... > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a > brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Folks, > > In reviewing more records, I'm now seeing them with "new eyes." > > In 1730 GOOCHLAND, we have a number of records showing Henry, assignee of > Samuel vs Richard Syms in a trespass case. There are several possibilities > here but trespass is defined as someone doing some form of damage to > someone's land or the property thereon. > > So we know that Samuel owned land in Goochland before 1730. Goochland was > formed in 1728. > > Henry may have been assigned to represent Sam who could not attend the > court sessions or Hanry had recently purchased Sam's land not yet > registered in court records. These records do not imply that either Sam or > Henry actually lived in Goochland. > > The first known record of Goochland land ownership are the grants to > Henry, s/o BEN, in 1732-34-36. He may have been living there before 1732. > > So "Henry" may have been the s/o BEN or he may have been the brother of > Sam. > > Currently the brothers Henry and Sam are shown as sons of Henry/DOROTHY, > s/o HENRY. > > You can see these records on Henry/Dorothy's page at the bottom > http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I43727&tree=WmTheIm > as well as the 1736 John Nash recs that prove Henry and Sam as brothers. > > The Nash recs also ID Henry Sr as father of Henry Jr [and Sam]. But Josiah > is also mentioned here and his "father" is mentioned but not by name. On > the surface, one would assume that Josiah also had to be a son of Henry > Sr. > > But this Henry Sr's wife is supposed to be Dorothy. Yet Dorothy gave power > of attorney to Josiah in the settlement of Henry Sr's estate which > eliminates Josiah as her son. An heir to that estate would have a conflict > of interest in representing his mother and would never have been given POA > by the court. > > Looking at Henry Jr's page > http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I39491&tree=WmTheIm > see the map [click on it]. > > The angled white line is the Cumberland [now Powhatan] county line. No 2 > is Henry. No 4 is Josiah. Right on top of each other. AND Sam lived in the > same area as proven by his will. He gave his son, Ben, land in Cumberland > that joins Sam's land in Chesterfield. So Sam's land straddled that county > line. > > You need to know that Goochland formed in 1728, Cumberland formed from > Goochland in 1749, Powhatan formed from Cumberland in 1777. > > Since it sure looks now as if Henry Jr, Sam and Josiah were all brothers, > that means they would be sons of Henry, s/o BEN since Josiah can't be son > of Henry/Dorothy. > > But if we go that route, that means we currently have NO kids attached to > Henry/Dorothy. Yet I don't believe Dorothy would have had any reason to > challenge what Henry left her if they had no kids. Everything would have > gone to her. > > I'm not even going to speculate on which Henry md Susannah or Margaret at > this point. That may become clearer as I progress with this new theory. > > I'm building a timeline from 1674 to as far as I have to go and have > already "seen" something unnoticed before. > > In 1705 only 1 Henry was on the Rent Rolls in Henrico. But in 1709 > Henry/DOROTHY "of Henrico" sold land they purchased from Charles Evans > that originally belonged to Wm and Mary Ligon. It is possible > Henry/Dorothy returned to Henrico from CCCo after 1705 and/or got lost in > the shuffle of court deed docs not being recorded in a timely manner. It > should also be noted that Henry Lound died in 1708 and that he had a gdau > who md a Ligon, another possible reason for their presence in Henrico and > their purchase/sale of the Evans/Ligon land. > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2779 - Release Date: 03/30/10 02:32:00

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Martha, Colonial law was incredibly different than it is today. Pre-revolution followed the laws of primogeniture which controlled how and to whom the estate passed. I do know that if a man died intestate with a wife but no heirs, his land reverted to his father. If the father was dead, then to his eldest living brother. The widow got 1/3 but she did not own it and upon her death her land was passed on based on these laws. She had no say-so. Even leaving a will could cause problems and that was the case with Dorothy. If the widow felt what was left to her was not a full 1/3, she could contest the will. That is what Dorothy did and asked that Josiah be her POA to represent her interests. But if Josiah had been her son, he stood to inherit, too. It would be considered a conflict of interest for him to fight for a larger share for his mother that would obviously decrease what he would receive. Unless one fully understands primogeniture, I can tell you that mistakes in connections are going to be made. I remember a discussion about a record where "John" came to court with witnesses who confirmed he was the heir of "William." Every tree I saw on this family had John as William's son and everyone had run into a brick wall with no one knowing why. No one seemed to recognize they were in "primogeniture" era and that this young William had died in the Rev War without a will and without heirs. John was his heir as his eldest brother [the father being dead], NOT as Wm's son. In your mother's case, I will assume she was not in an estate battle contesting your father's will. So your being the POA would not have been a conflict. James Maloney sent me these primogeniture laws of succession and I'll be glad to send it to anyone interested. Learning more about colonial law is really a must and primogeniture is very important if you hope to make proper connections. Hope I've de-confused you, Martha! Does it make sense? Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld I think I've GOT IT! Henry[B] is son of Ben. Henry[H] is son of Henry and husband of Dorothy. I detached Henry/Margaret and Sam from Henry[H]/Dorothy and attached them to Henry[B]. But that meant I had to detach Henry/Susanna from Henry[B] and attach him to Henry[H]. So we now have Henry/Dorothy no longer childless. Josiah remains s/o Henry[B]. After I did that, things started to make much more sense. Now we need to take a time trip in history and remember when we had Josiah as a s/o Henry/Margaret. He bequeathed to his "mother" Jane Butler and I argued that this made no sense, since his mother was supposedly Margaret [wno everyone had now renamed as Margaret JANE BUTLER.] I argued that it was a serious niggly to have his father just months prior write his will naming her as Margaret and providing for her care, yet his son names her as Jane and again, provides for her care. There's such as thing as over-CARE :-) But I eventually assumed Josiah might have been referring to his mother-in-law Jane, even tho I wasn't really comfortable with that either. NOW attached as son of Henry[B] whose wife is unknown, it makes perfect sense. Henry[B]'s wife was JANE who married John Butler after Henry's death. Right now this is what I have....... Ben md Liz Greenhaugh .....1) Henry md Jane LNU who later md John Butler ..............1) Josiah md 1] unk Cheatham, 2] Anne Elizabeth LNU ..............2) Samuel ..............3) Henry Jr md Margaret LNU Henry md Anne Lound ......1) Henry Jr md Dorothy Hardaway ..............1) Henry III md Susanna Williamson I'm still working on the timeline and have many recs up in the air as far as which Henry they belong to. I'm still not positive I have Henry/Marg and Henry/Sue attached to the right parents......... Moving right along...........!! Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Thanks, JW! Am saving this petition to check out later. I've not seen this before. Looks like it may be in sequence by "neighbors" which could be important. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Just got kicked in the be-hind! I wrote: " But if we go that route, that means we currently have NO kids attached to Henry/Dorothy. Yet I don't believe Dorothy would have had any reason to challenge what Henry left her if they had no kids. Everything would have gone to her." >From James Maloney, our very valuable lawyer: "That is true today, but it was not true in the early 1700's. Dorothy had the right to claim 1/3 for her lifetime use (she could not sell or interest or leave it to her heirs), but the underlying title would follow the blood lines - if no children, then his eldest brother (or the issue of the eldest brother)." And that shines a whole new spotlight on this picture. It's possible Henry/Dorothy didn't have kids and much of his property was willed to his brothers. The widow could challenge the will if she felt she was not receiving a full 1/3. Since neither his will nor any estate distribution recs have been found, we can only keep this new possibility in mind. Nel

Nel, I found the info on the internet. I tried fowarding the links to you but would not work. Google: "Bostick Family" mentions an Archilbald Hatcher b. abt 1755 VA, d. 1808 Richmond Co., GA. "Residents Petition to VA House of Delagates, 1785" this has Archilbald Hatcher as a signee let me know if you find the links. JW Garrett --------------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:25:37 -0600 > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Archilbald Hatcher > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Geeze, JW! Are you holding out on us?? :-) > > Do you have a copy of that 1785 doc that you could email me? > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Folks, In reviewing more records, I'm now seeing them with "new eyes." In 1730 GOOCHLAND, we have a number of records showing Henry, assignee of Samuel vs Richard Syms in a trespass case. There are several possibilities here but trespass is defined as someone doing some form of damage to someone's land or the property thereon. So we know that Samuel owned land in Goochland before 1730. Goochland was formed in 1728. Henry may have been assigned to represent Sam who could not attend the court sessions or Hanry had recently purchased Sam's land not yet registered in court records. These records do not imply that either Sam or Henry actually lived in Goochland. The first known record of Goochland land ownership are the grants to Henry, s/o BEN, in 1732-34-36. He may have been living there before 1732. So "Henry" may have been the s/o BEN or he may have been the brother of Sam. Currently the brothers Henry and Sam are shown as sons of Henry/DOROTHY, s/o HENRY. You can see these records on Henry/Dorothy's page at the bottom http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I43727&tree=WmTheIm as well as the 1736 John Nash recs that prove Henry and Sam as brothers. The Nash recs also ID Henry Sr as father of Henry Jr [and Sam]. But Josiah is also mentioned here and his "father" is mentioned but not by name. On the surface, one would assume that Josiah also had to be a son of Henry Sr. But this Henry Sr's wife is supposed to be Dorothy. Yet Dorothy gave power of attorney to Josiah in the settlement of Henry Sr's estate which eliminates Josiah as her son. An heir to that estate would have a conflict of interest in representing his mother and would never have been given POA by the court. Looking at Henry Jr's page http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/getperson.php?personID=I39491&tree=WmTheIm see the map [click on it]. The angled white line is the Cumberland [now Powhatan] county line. No 2 is Henry. No 4 is Josiah. Right on top of each other. AND Sam lived in the same area as proven by his will. He gave his son, Ben, land in Cumberland that joins Sam's land in Chesterfield. So Sam's land straddled that county line. You need to know that Goochland formed in 1728, Cumberland formed from Goochland in 1749, Powhatan formed from Cumberland in 1777. Since it sure looks now as if Henry Jr, Sam and Josiah were all brothers, that means they would be sons of Henry, s/o BEN since Josiah can't be son of Henry/Dorothy. But if we go that route, that means we currently have NO kids attached to Henry/Dorothy. Yet I don't believe Dorothy would have had any reason to challenge what Henry left her if they had no kids. Everything would have gone to her. I'm not even going to speculate on which Henry md Susannah or Margaret at this point. That may become clearer as I progress with this new theory. I'm building a timeline from 1674 to as far as I have to go and have already "seen" something unnoticed before. In 1705 only 1 Henry was on the Rent Rolls in Henrico. But in 1709 Henry/DOROTHY "of Henrico" sold land they purchased from Charles Evans that originally belonged to Wm and Mary Ligon. It is possible Henry/Dorothy returned to Henrico from CCCo after 1705 and/or got lost in the shuffle of court deed docs not being recorded in a timely manner. It should also be noted that Henry Lound died in 1708 and that he had a gdau who md a Ligon, another possible reason for their presence in Henrico and their purchase/sale of the Evans/Ligon land. Nel

While researcking Buckingham Co VA records I found a Archibald Hatcher who was one of the signees of a 1785 petition to the Va House of Delagates. JW Garrett ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:19:07 -0600 > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HATCHER] Ah-hah! A retraction! > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > Hey JW and all, > > Does get confusing, doesn't it? But I've now recognized the 2 key records that firmly ID the sons of Ben/Liz and Henry/Lound. > > 1) the 1743 Henrico record of Dorothy, widow of Henry. > > 2) the 1745 Henrico record of "Ben and brother Henry, of Goochland" reffing John Greenhaugh's deed to them. > > So obviously Dorothy did marry the son of Henry/Lound. > > Now it's a matter of reviewing each record associated with the culprits to make sure I've got them attached to the right people. The names of witnesses and specific locations will be most important. Have already found 2 recs attached to the wrong Henrys. > > One 1740 rec that was attached to Ben's Henry I now believe belonged to Henry/Dorothy and it may be when they first showed up in Henrico. I'm still believing these guys were in CCCo most of the time. > > A serious problem in all this is "Deep Creek." There is a Deep creek in Goochland and also in Chesterfield. This creek is mentioned in several of these records and sometimes very difficult to pin down. > > We know that Henry, Ben's son, had Goochland patents taken out in 1732-34-36 but it's been difficult pinning down exactly when he moved there. If he was there in the early 30s and Henry/Dorothy then moved into Henrico, we would then know why we see no title distinctions in the records. > > The Moody name is also important since Ann Lound Hatcher md Sam Moody after Henry's death in 1677, removing to CCCo. Moodys start showing up as neighbors of Hatchers and I think it would be safe to say these Hatchers belong to Henry/Dorothy's bunch. > > Another problem is Susanna Williamson. Her father lived during the critical time period on Chickahominy creek which is west of Mechanicsville in the northern suburbs of Richmond. This is a long way away from where our Hatchers were living south of Richmond. The question becomes - how and where did either of these Henrys meet Susanna? > > Slow process but I'll get there............! > > And to Darleen, Bev and Tim......I'll get your stuff processed soonly. > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Geeze, JW! Are you holding out on us?? :-) Do you have a copy of that 1785 doc that you could email me? Nel

Hi Nel, Before you brought Henry back from the dead I was going to ask if Henry died young w/o hiers then who was Henry (III) that married Margaret LNU? JW Garrett ---------------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:25:49 -0600 > Subject: [HATCHER] Ah-hah! A retraction! > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld > > I think I "may" have to bring Henry back from the dead! > > I still believe Henry went to CCCo with his mother, Anne, and stepfather, Sam Moody, and was raised there. I've also read that after Sam went to CCCo, there were no Moodys in HenricoCo for 2-3 decades. Then we find a Henry Hatcher living next to Henry and Thomas Moody in the 1740s or thereabouts. > > IF this is what happened, it would definitely explain the lack of descriptive titles in ChesterfieldCo. > > The major question now is which Henry married which wife - Dorothy and Susanna. > > Oh, yes! I did firmly prove something else. Those UNDATED deeds from John Greenhaugh to his gsons that were finally recorded in 1696 were definitely written before 1677 since it was Henry Hatcher who witnessed them. Obviously, neither Ben's or Henry's young sons, Henry, could have witnessed them. > > The other witness to John's deeds was Thomas Jefferson, the same Tom who also lived on Proctor creek and who witnessed a record by William, another gson of John Greenhaugh. I feel confident now that this puts Ben's son, Henry, on Proctor creek and not Henry/Lound's son. > > Sleuthing right along...........! > > Keep the faith, Yvonne :-) > > Nel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld Hey JW and all, Does get confusing, doesn't it? But I've now recognized the 2 key records that firmly ID the sons of Ben/Liz and Henry/Lound. 1) the 1743 Henrico record of Dorothy, widow of Henry. 2) the 1745 Henrico record of "Ben and brother Henry, of Goochland" reffing John Greenhaugh's deed to them. So obviously Dorothy did marry the son of Henry/Lound. Now it's a matter of reviewing each record associated with the culprits to make sure I've got them attached to the right people. The names of witnesses and specific locations will be most important. Have already found 2 recs attached to the wrong Henrys. One 1740 rec that was attached to Ben's Henry I now believe belonged to Henry/Dorothy and it may be when they first showed up in Henrico. I'm still believing these guys were in CCCo most of the time. A serious problem in all this is "Deep Creek." There is a Deep creek in Goochland and also in Chesterfield. This creek is mentioned in several of these records and sometimes very difficult to pin down. We know that Henry, Ben's son, had Goochland patents taken out in 1732-34-36 but it's been difficult pinning down exactly when he moved there. If he was there in the early 30s and Henry/Dorothy then moved into Henrico, we would then know why we see no title distinctions in the records. The Moody name is also important since Ann Lound Hatcher md Sam Moody after Henry's death in 1677, removing to CCCo. Moodys start showing up as neighbors of Hatchers and I think it would be safe to say these Hatchers belong to Henry/Dorothy's bunch. Another problem is Susanna Williamson. Her father lived during the critical time period on Chickahominy creek which is west of Mechanicsville in the northern suburbs of Richmond. This is a long way away from where our Hatchers were living south of Richmond. The question becomes - how and where did either of these Henrys meet Susanna? Slow process but I'll get there............! And to Darleen, Bev and Tim......I'll get your stuff processed soonly. Nel

HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "One of the tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a brutal gang of facts" - La Rochefoucauld I think I "may" have to bring Henry back from the dead! I still believe Henry went to CCCo with his mother, Anne, and stepfather, Sam Moody, and was raised there. I've also read that after Sam went to CCCo, there were no Moodys in HenricoCo for 2-3 decades. Then we find a Henry Hatcher living next to Henry and Thomas Moody in the 1740s or thereabouts. IF this is what happened, it would definitely explain the lack of descriptive titles in ChesterfieldCo. The major question now is which Henry married which wife - Dorothy and Susanna. Oh, yes! I did firmly prove something else. Those UNDATED deeds from John Greenhaugh to his gsons that were finally recorded in 1696 were definitely written before 1677 since it was Henry Hatcher who witnessed them. Obviously, neither Ben's or Henry's young sons, Henry, could have witnessed them. The other witness to John's deeds was Thomas Jefferson, the same Tom who also lived on Proctor creek and who witnessed a record by William, another gson of John Greenhaugh. I feel confident now that this puts Ben's son, Henry, on Proctor creek and not Henry/Lound's son. Sleuthing right along...........! Keep the faith, Yvonne :-) Nel