Can't remember who contacted me about these 2 men and I recently lost the Harvey mailbox folder - aaargh!!! Anyhow, you know who you are so please holler at me again - somebody else is wondering about Jonathan and was encouraged to sub to the mail list, too. Thanks. Marie -- Marie Harvey OES Worthy Matron's Workbook <http://www.webspawner.com/users/easternStarHelp> Electa Chapter #29 <http://members.yournet.com/easternstar> Home Page <http://members.yournet.com/ladyhrvy>