My Hartes were from Ireland - we thought Sligo but just had a report from Sligo Hertiage Center and they couldn't be found. Gggrandfather Daniel J. Harte b abt 1844. His father was John b abt 1790. He died in Brooklyn NY in 1852. His mother was Margaret b abt 1801 and died in Brooklyn in 1882. Known siblings Patrick b 1828-1831? died Brooklyn 1893. Married Ann had a son John born in 1864. Brother Eugene born 1840 or 1845 died Brooklyn 1896. Patrick and Eugene were harness makers. Sisters Margaret b abt 1836. I haven't been able to locate her since the 1860 census in Brooklyn. Probably married. I even tried looking at every Margaret in Brooklyn in 1880 census but no one matched. Eliza born 1845 never married. Any connections? Tnx, Ellen On 8/22/06, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Would the counties just north of the New York State border, like > LaPrairie, > be an area where people would drop a French sounding dit name? It is an > area where I actually didn't know there had been French people. Though > they stayed near the St. Lawrence and English people filled that fertile > land south of the St. Lawrence west of Montreal. Because that notion > didn't occur to anyone. But since there were other Hart families and > other > Jolicoeur families if that had happened, it would be hard to trace. > > I didn't know Google groups had genealogy groups. I'll try there! > Thanks! > > But the Luck family were actually an English family who in New York > changed > their name to LaChance. Today I talked to the Clinton County county > historian, and she told me that the most likely reason why is actually > that > they were beholden to French people in some way and therefore it was > unexpectedly advantageous to assume a French identity; most likely because > the Catholic Church some family members had married into arranged the > emigration, behind the backs of the English, or because of who the > employer > was or something of the sort. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Taylor" <jo.taylor@wanadoo.fr> > To: <HART-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:37 AM > Subject: Re: [HART-L] Hart dit Jolicoeur of Plattsburg NY area - need > information > > > >> Let's make sure we're clear. They used the name Hart in Canada. In > >> Canada, they never used the name Jolicoeur. When they got to this > >> country, they tended to change Hart to Jolicoeur. > > > > Yes, I'm quite clear - I said 'A fairly logical name-change if they > moved > > to a non-French-speaking region' - meaning that they could have moved > > around within Canada at some point; perhaps the original 'nom de > famille' > > was JOLICOEUR (further back than you've yet reached). I don't know what > > prejudices existed at that time. > > > >> In Canada, Jolicoeur is a rare name. Noone knows why they started > >> using a fancified semifictional French name that didn't, as nearly as > >> anyone can tell, belong to them, in this country. Or atleast, that's > >> what people who have all dematerialized were posting at genforum six > >> years ago. > > > > It doesn't seem to be that rare - a Google search picks up 531,000 hits. > > There's a Yahoo genealogy group for the name : > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jolicoeur/ which seems to be active. > Perhaps > > your dematerialized posters have rematerialized there! > > > > My point was simply that JOLICOEUR / HART is a fairly logical name > change. > > > > Interesting name; however, as I have no US or Canadian connections it's > > irrelevant to me - I was simply making a suggestion. (My HARTs are more > > likely to have transmogrified from HERTZ than COEUR!) > > > > Regards > > Jo > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 > >