I am trying to trace the following family. My mother in law was told that her grandmother, Mary Tacy, was the daughter of Abraham Tacy and Julia Jolicoeur. Records on the family in Northampton Massachusetts consistently give her maiden name as Julia Hart. With a dob on 1900 census of January 1850, born in New York or Canada. Research found that Abraham was the son of Abraham Tacy of several villages just south of Plattsburg, NY, and that his probable bride was Julia Hart, daughter of Joseph Hart born 1832 in Canada, and his wife Jane born 1831 in Canada. They lived in Plattsburg. Abraham Tacy and several of his brothers moved to Northampton, Massachusetts, and there many of the family began using the name Tessier; probalby it was originally their name. From the census, at ancestry.com, Joseph appears to be the son of Francis Hart, born 1810 in Canada. Francis' household also contained a Polly Hart allegedly 15 years younger than he and too young to be Joseph's mother. I found old posts here about a Hart dit Jolicoeur line from Canada, that lived in Clinton County, NY. But no mention of Francis, only a different Joseph, and the Jolicoeur connection was rather unclear. Unclear if this line is really Hart dit Jolicoeur and if not why they think they are. Jolicoeur is sure a funny name to carry around if your name is Hart and the name Jolicoeur does not belong to you. Is there anyone here who has any further information? Thanks alot! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

> I found old posts here about a Hart dit Jolicoeur line from Canada, that > lived in Clinton County, NY. But no mention of Francis, only a different > Joseph, and the Jolicoeur connection was rather unclear. Unclear if this > line is really Hart dit Jolicoeur and if not why they think they are. > Jolicoeur is sure a funny name to carry around if your name is Hart and > the > name Jolicoeur does not belong to you. Not that strange : coeur = heart. (Jolie = pretty, nice.) A fairly logical name-change if they moved to a non-French-speaking region. Jo Taylor

Jo: I'm not following you. Let's make sure we're clear. They used the name Hart in Canada. In Canada, they never used the name Jolicoeur. When they got to this country, they tended to change Hart to Jolicoeur. In Canada, Jolicoeur is a rare name. Noone knows why they started using a fancified semifictional French name that didn't, as nearly as anyone can tell, belong to them, in this country. Or atleast, that's what people who have all dematerialized were posting at genforum six years ago. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Taylor" <jo.taylor@wanadoo.fr> To: <HART-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:39 AM Subject: Re: [HART-L] Hart dit Jolicoeur of Plattsburg NY area - need information >> I found old posts here about a Hart dit Jolicoeur line from Canada, that >> lived in Clinton County, NY. But no mention of Francis, only a >> different >> Joseph, and the Jolicoeur connection was rather unclear. Unclear if >> this >> line is really Hart dit Jolicoeur and if not why they think they are. >> Jolicoeur is sure a funny name to carry around if your name is Hart and >> the >> name Jolicoeur does not belong to you. > > Not that strange : coeur = heart. (Jolie = pretty, nice.) > > A fairly logical name-change if they moved to a non-French-speaking > region. > > Jo Taylor > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

> Let's make sure we're clear. They used the name Hart in Canada. In > Canada, they never used the name Jolicoeur. When they got to this > country, they tended to change Hart to Jolicoeur. Yes, I'm quite clear - I said 'A fairly logical name-change if they moved to a non-French-speaking region' - meaning that they could have moved around within Canada at some point; perhaps the original 'nom de famille' was JOLICOEUR (further back than you've yet reached). I don't know what prejudices existed at that time. > In Canada, Jolicoeur is a rare name. Noone knows why they started using > a fancified semifictional French name that didn't, as nearly as anyone can > tell, belong to them, in this country. Or atleast, that's what people > who have all dematerialized were posting at genforum six years ago. It doesn't seem to be that rare - a Google search picks up 531,000 hits. There's a Yahoo genealogy group for the name : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jolicoeur/ which seems to be active. Perhaps your dematerialized posters have rematerialized there! My point was simply that JOLICOEUR / HART is a fairly logical name change. Interesting name; however, as I have no US or Canadian connections it's irrelevant to me - I was simply making a suggestion. (My HARTs are more likely to have transmogrified from HERTZ than COEUR!) Regards Jo

Would the counties just north of the New York State border, like LaPrairie, be an area where people would drop a French sounding dit name? It is an area where I actually didn't know there had been French people. Though they stayed near the St. Lawrence and English people filled that fertile land south of the St. Lawrence west of Montreal. Because that notion didn't occur to anyone. But since there were other Hart families and other Jolicoeur families if that had happened, it would be hard to trace. I didn't know Google groups had genealogy groups. I'll try there! Thanks! But the Luck family were actually an English family who in New York changed their name to LaChance. Today I talked to the Clinton County county historian, and she told me that the most likely reason why is actually that they were beholden to French people in some way and therefore it was unexpectedly advantageous to assume a French identity; most likely because the Catholic Church some family members had married into arranged the emigration, behind the backs of the English, or because of who the employer was or something of the sort. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Taylor" <jo.taylor@wanadoo.fr> To: <HART-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [HART-L] Hart dit Jolicoeur of Plattsburg NY area - need information >> Let's make sure we're clear. They used the name Hart in Canada. In >> Canada, they never used the name Jolicoeur. When they got to this >> country, they tended to change Hart to Jolicoeur. > > Yes, I'm quite clear - I said 'A fairly logical name-change if they moved > to a non-French-speaking region' - meaning that they could have moved > around within Canada at some point; perhaps the original 'nom de famille' > was JOLICOEUR (further back than you've yet reached). I don't know what > prejudices existed at that time. > >> In Canada, Jolicoeur is a rare name. Noone knows why they started >> using a fancified semifictional French name that didn't, as nearly as >> anyone can tell, belong to them, in this country. Or atleast, that's >> what people who have all dematerialized were posting at genforum six >> years ago. > > It doesn't seem to be that rare - a Google search picks up 531,000 hits. > There's a Yahoo genealogy group for the name : > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jolicoeur/ which seems to be active. Perhaps > your dematerialized posters have rematerialized there! > > My point was simply that JOLICOEUR / HART is a fairly logical name change. > > Interesting name; however, as I have no US or Canadian connections it's > irrelevant to me - I was simply making a suggestion. (My HARTs are more > likely to have transmogrified from HERTZ than COEUR!) > > Regards > Jo > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006

I have found some more informaiton on my Hart family. Joseph Hart moved from Plattsburg, NY, where he lived in 1870, to Northampton, Massachusetts, before 1880, with some of his children, and began using the name Jolicoeur. It was for instance the name on his death record. This pretty well confirms that he was the father of Julia who married Abram Tessier in Clinton County, New York in the early 1870's. In Plattsburg Joseph was a carter and his oldest son a trucker; otherwise he was a laborer. His first wife was Jane, and this is probably Jane Roebard Hart who died in Northampton in 1882. Her death record is not available online. Then Joseph apparently remarried, Elizabeth Petit, and had two or three more children born in Northampton. His death record lists his parents as unknown, but the birth record of one of the children of hte second marriage says he was born in Berthier, Quebec. Death and census records consistently report Joseph to have been born around 1810 to 1812. Joseph Hart was not a son of Francis Hart, who was actually of that Hart dit everything family from LaPrairie County. I have seen a full genealogy of atleast the descendents of Pierre, and this Joseph not in that family group. A Jewish family from London, progenitor arrived with the British army, lived in Three Rivers, and reached to Berthier, wonder if he could have been of that family. That was Aaron Hart; he had apparently four sons; Moses, Benjamin, Alexander, and Ezekiel. I don't have any of them in Berthier or the father of a Joseph, but I don't have all the information Does this give anyone any ideas about who Joseph Hart/ Jolicoeur was? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006