First, thank you to all those kind people who replied to my original posting. (I trust I have thanked them individually) I am now wondering if the information about his father on John HART's New Zealand death certificate is correct. I have put together a possible tree of his English ancestors to see if anyone recognizes this one. As I said previously, I am looking for the ancestors of John HART, my wife's great grandfather. Does anyone recognize John HART b c1840 (I would also be interested in making further contact with his descendants too) 1. John1 HART married Elisabeth. This marriage could be John Hart and Elizabeth Brassington in 1797 at Chedworth, GLS, ENG. He died on 14 Aug 1836. His body was interred at Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. Elisabeth/Elizabeth was born circa 1771 at Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. She and James Hart, John Hart, and Elizabeth Bignal lived in Rodmarton, GLS, ENG, on 30 Mar 1851. Known children of John1 Hart and Elisabeth (--?--) were: + 2. i. James2 HART, b. 10 Apr 1801 at Rodmarton, Gloucestershire, England; m. Elizabeth Hulbit. Generation Two 2. James2 HART (John1) was born on 10 Apr 1801 at Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. He was baptized on 13 Apr 1801 at Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. He married Elizabeth Hulbit on 7 Sep 1835 at Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. He and Elizabeth Hart and Ruben Hulbert, Charles Hart, Rachel Hart, and John Hart lived in Rodmarton, GLS, ENG, on 6 Jun 1841. He was an Ag Lab on 6 Jun 1841. He was an Ag Lab on 30 Mar 1851. On 30 Mar 1851, James Hart was living with Elisabeth Hart and John Hart and Elizabeth Bignal in Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. Elizabeth HULBIT was born circa 1806 at GLS, ENG. She was probably Elizabeth Hulbert. She died on 3 Dec 1843. Her body was interred at Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. Known children of James2 Hart and Elizabeth Hulbit were as follows: 3. i. Charles3 HART was born circa 1836 at Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. On 6 Jun 1841, Charles Hart was living with James Hart and Elizabeth Hart and Ruben Hulbert, Rachel Hart, and John Hart in Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. He was an apprentice wheelright on 30 Mar 1851. On 30 Mar 1851, Charles Hart was living with Richard Roberts and Mary Roberts and Ralph Roberts, Elizabeth Roberts, Ellen Roberts, William Roberts, Richard Roberts, and Joseph Roberts. 4. ii. Rachel HART was born circa 1838 at GLS, ENG. On 6 Jun 1841, Rachel Hart was living with James Hart and Elizabeth Hart and Ruben Hulbert, Charles Hart, and John Hart in Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. As of 6 Jun 1841, she was also known as Rachell/Rachele HART 5. iii. John HART was born circa 1841 at Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. On 6 Jun 1841, John Hart was living with James Hart and Elizabeth Hart and Ruben Hulbert, Charles Hart, and Rachel Hart in Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. He was a student on 30 Mar 1851. On 30 Mar 1851, John Hart was living with Elisabeth Hart and James Hart and Elizabeth Bignal in Rodmarton, GLS, ENG. Jim Jim & Beverley Payne NEW ZEALAND jr_bjpayne@xtra.co.nz Our web page has moved to the following URL: http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/shampayne2004/