John, I live in Palatine, Illinois, USA which was named for Palatine Bridge, NY. Many people, including my Harrowers moved west in the early nineteenth century from upper New York state. I have their wedding certificate from 1843 on my wall at home. My John Harrower was counted in the 1850 Federal census at Barrington which is the next town northwest of Palatine. His wife, Sarah Marie Phillips Harrower, owned a millinery shop in the 1870s which was unusual for the time as women were not fully liberated in those days. John was a grocer in that town. We do have a web site which you may find of interest www.\\1stroyals.org There are several galleries of our events including the 250 Commemoration of the Siege of Fort Niagara in July of 1759 where we had over 400 British, 300 French and 200 Natives. This was much more than the actual 1759 combatants but we did enjoy ourselves. We get "boos and hisses" from Scots Highlander reenactors as they know the 1st, 2nd Bttn was at Culloden under Cumberland in 1745. I work for UOP a Honeywell company and was dispatched in November 2000 to UOP Ltd at Guildford, Surrey, England for three weeks. I did tack on a few vacation days to wander about London spending a day each at the British musueum and the Imperial war museum west of the Thames. I wanted to go to Portsmouth but there were gale force winds that day and I knew many exhibits including HMS Victory might be closed so I took a train from London to Bath to see the hot springs of "Aque Sulis". My favorite ale was Worthington's Bitters. They do not export that over here. You are right about the B&Bs though. I stayed in one at Bath and it was inexpensive and much better than my London Hotel or the Guildford post House hotel. Best regards,   Frank F. Soule- PTE-COM UOP LLC- a Honeywell Co Japan,Korea, Indonesia, Thailand, The Philippines, Envergent, LLC, WW catalyst samples 50 East Algonquin Road Des Plaines, IL  60017-5017 (847) 391-2246 EMAIL: Frank.Soule@Honeywell.com ________________________________ From: John Harrower <jharrowe@hotmail.com> To: harrower@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, February 28, 2012 11:21:27 PM Subject: Re: [HARROWER] NY Harrowers Hi Frank, Many thanks for the info and great work on your "re-enacting" hobby. Sounds great. If there is a website or youtube site I could see this as that period plus another 100 years also interests me. I have spent quite a few hours going through the "Harrowers" from both sides of the civil war and it is quite interesting how "we" started as privates and ended up as officers. That must be the creative side. The period you are involved in would be difficult to track via the net? As for your travel costs to Scotland - That price seems too high but then again I don't know the costs of airfares ex USA? Booking up-market hotels and accommodation through travel agents is just too costly. Australia is considered the "arse" end of the world (excuse the language) and the adult return airfare is $2200.00 to UK/Ireland (We are going over to Ireland in July for the christening of our Grandaughter - My daughter married an Irish guy and all his family and friends flew to Aust for the wedding so we thought best for the Christening in Ireland. Back to the costs of travel in UK/Ireland/Scotland - Do it all yourself by booking on the internet "B & B" accommodation is great, friendly, great breakfasts and cheap @ $70.00 Euro in total a night for the room (2 people) in Ireland and Scotland and a bit dearer but Pounds in England Book your first night in Edinburgh and just knock on the door of any B & B as you drive a long - Car hire is cheap as well about 200 Euro for a week for a small car and book on line as well. Make your own lunch and dinners are very reasonbly priced at pubs that are a history buffs dream. We slept in a B & B that was built in 1770 - The year Capt Cook discovered Australia. Airfares in and around UK/Ireland/Scotland are extremely cheap if you want to get around check out www.ryanair.com travel late or very early and its cheap (safe and good) $1.00 flights but the taxes are dearer than the flight. My wife is flying to Boston this coming Saturday for a week - She is in the jewellery trade and she sells "hearts on fire" diamonds and the owners and Head Office is in Boston. Where are you located? Regards John > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:11:44 -0800 > From: soule_frank@yahoo.com > To: harrower@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HARROWER] NY Harrowers > > Thanks for the reply John > My guess is that my Peter Harrower immigrated sometime after the American > revolution in the 1780s. I've never been to Scotland and when I considered the > trip I figured that it would cost USD$10,000 for my youngest son and I to spend > > 10 days there. Since I am still working and supporting two children at > University this was not affordable. > > As mentioned before my paternal grandmother was the last Harrower in my line >and > > my maternal grandfather was a Ross. At family gatherings they did not get >along! > > Culloden was in 1745 and is still being fought today it would seem. I am a > living history re enactor and my period is mid 18th century. Ironically I > portray an English officer of a lowland Scots Regiment, 1st Regt of Foot, 2nd > battalion "Royal Scots". This regiment and battalion was at >Culloden.....Neither > > of my Scots ancestry grandparents knew of this as I started well after their > deaths. It would have been interesting to see their reaction. > > Best regards, > Frank F. Soule, III [12th generation from George Soule of the Mayflower] > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Harrower <jharrowe@hotmail.com> > To: harrower@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, February 27, 2012 11:43:07 PM > Subject: Re: [HARROWER] NY Harrowers > > > Hi Frank, > > Interesting - My name is John Harrower and our lot and it seems your lot are > somehow connected. > > My family originated from a place called Alva Glen which is only 15 miles away > from Kinross. > > There are still Harrowers in the town (Alva) which is at the start of the > highlands. > > We have been there a number of times and the cemetery has quite a few Harrowers > > as permanent residents now. > > Your lot seems to have left earlier than ours as my grandfather was William > Hutton Harrower 1892 to 1972 and we were told as kids that 2 families of 4 > brothers headed off > at the same time- 2 went to USA and 2 to Australia. > > There is another John Harrower that is an entertainer in Scotland (still > performing) I will get you his details as he likes to chat to Harrowers. > > I have had "Harrower" relatives go to Alva and the locals love to meet and talk > > to overseas Harrowers and maybe able to help, just ring them as they are all > very friendly and get a bit of a buzz from the Harrower passing parade. > > Regards > > John > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:34:57 -0800 > > From: soule_frank@yahoo.com > > To: harrower@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [HARROWER] NY Harrowers > > > > The last Harrower email I got was in June of 2010. I'm always seeking more > > information about my immigant ancestor Peter Harrower born 1759 at Cleish > > Kinross about 26 KM northwest of Edinburgh. I do not know when he left >Scotland > > > > > but he did end up in Berne in Albany County, NY, USA by the early 19th > century. > > My late grandmother, Ruth Vera Harrower Soule 1892-1985 knew very little of >her > > > > > family and told me nothing. Her father was not pleased with her by marrying >my > > > > grandfather who was a shoe salesman in Chicago at the time. He did better > >ending > > > > up as National business manager for Conde' nast publications.  Her mother was > > > Edna Mae Farrar Harrower [born ? died 1928] and that is the only line that I > > have a complete stone wall. I have tried the Farrar rootsweb site but no one > >can > > > > help. > > Perhaps when I retire in a few years I can try again to complete this family > > record. > > Frank Soule > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Diane <dpkms20042000@yahoo.co.uk> > > To: harrower-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 9:14:18 AM > > Subject: [HARROWER] Hi there > > > > Hi there, Diane list admin here. > > > > Is there anyone on this list that need any help with research from anybody? > > > > There hasn't been much going on with this list for a while! > > > > Hoping to hear from you soon. > > > > Diane list admin > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HARROWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in > > > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >HARROWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in > > >the subject and the body of the message >                        > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HARROWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HARROWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARROWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message