Just a comment or two about some of the events mentioned in the following *biography*. Florida has a different history than the 13 original colonies (and those states formed from the original 13 British colonies.)  For example, Kentucky was formed from Virginia in 1792.  Tennessee was formed from North Carolina at a later date.  And then, an expert on NC genealogy states that in the early days, if not later, many of the early residents of North Carolina came from Virginia, as the barrier islands off the coast of North Carolina do not permit safe boat landings from the Atlantic. A long time acquaintance told me some years ago that one of her ancestors was a Loyalist during the Revolution and sought refuge from the turmoil in Georgia by going to Florida.  Does your ancestor have this kind of historical/personal background?  Something to think about. Another historical event which may affect migration:  My Revolutionary war ancestor, a sergeant in the latter part of the war in upcountry South Carolina, had seven sons, who migrated to early Louisiana (two son were in the War of 1812).  Reading a county history of their home county in SC, I learned that the cotton gin had been invented, and thus the seven sons of this patriot (and multiple other families) could grow more cotton (and own more slaves) than they could in the high country of South Carolina.  The author of the book, a noted historian of SC, commented that there was much migration of families going on at this time and passing through the sons' upcountry county in SC.  About the surviving sons, they moved over to another part of Mississippi after the *Choctaw cession*.  (We sent the Indians on the Trail of Tears, it seems.) Question:  What social and historical events were taking place when your ancestor, probably from an earlier state, migrated to the place where you can now find records.  Since almost everyone had a farm, I have found land records are helpful for the earliest Americans.  But, do NOT overlook court records.  As some genealogy experts say, nearly everyone sued his neighbor, etc. In the late 1830s-1840s, Andrew Jackson, as I understand [I am not good with details here] veoted against the continuation of the Federal Bank. A huge depression or panic occurred in the old South, in particular, and many migrated to the Republic of Texas. Unfortunately, the used history books which my husband used to buy at book sales skip some of these important events which affected our ancestors.  Bah! E.W.Wallace ________________________________ From: Catherine Burr <catherineburr@yahoo.com> To: HARRIS-HUNTERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:52 PM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] More Edward Harris-Flora Douglas Group 3 DNA results Our cousin W. Boyd Harris, kit # 235875, just completed the Family Tree DNA.  We are confirmed in Group 3 as descendants of Edward Harris and Flora Douglas.  Prior research had greatly indicated this, as my ggg-grandfather Alexander Ewing Harris Sr. was City Marshall of 1840-1841 Tallahassee and thus would have associated with James Moore Harris who ran stagecoach lines in 1830s “Middle Florida” and whose son, Isaac Ross Harris, was the 1st Mayor of Quincy, Gadsden County.  James Moore Harris was the grandfather of Isaac Leonard Harris, whose extensive 1930s records of the descendants of Edward Harris and Flora Douglas ought to be well-known to Scots-Irish Harris researchers. Given other associations with Masonic leaders – Florida Grand Master Mason, and builder of the Florida Old Capitol, Richard Alexander Shine Sr. was the administrator of my ggg-grandmother Violet Alexander Harris’ estate – and A.E. Sr’s appointment as Sergeant-at-Arms for the Florida Territory at the same session that General Leigh Read turned down the election as Speaker of the Florida House (due to his wounds suffered in the 1st assassination attempt by Willis Alston), it made sense to me that a relative of Thomas Harris, 1st Sheriff of Mecklenburg County, NC would have been so received. Unfortunately, we do not yet know precisely how we plug in.  But this DNA result will help confirm this track a bit.  We know that my gggg-grandmother Esther was in Abbeville SC from about 1784-1828 from her obituary.  We know that “Brick Wall” had lost his fortune in the 1820s because Ebenezer had never attended school but for a few months and had lamented no formal schooling. Any information or guesses appreciated.  If you connect to these lines, hopefully you will find this information helpful.  As we have just received these results, more study will be forthcoming once we get the results analyzed and compared further. My wish lists are visiting the Florida Masonic Museum, getting Violet's estate records (I tried emailing Leon County but these were never answered) and the guardianship files for AE Jr. and FE Sr. in Houston County, GA.  Unfortunately, it appears John J.H. Harris died just before the outbreak of the War.  We also cannot find his daughter Emily - she probably married or died, hopefully we just don't know whom her husband was. Below are three generations which should assist those who have gotten to at least where I was when I started my Harris investigations.  Our migration pattern is the typical PA/NC>Abbeville SC>Henry/Jasper/Bibb/Houston/Decatur Counties GA>FL or AL>TX of this Scots-Irish Revolutionary era family branch.  Ebenezer was also noted as having a sword from some ancestor in the Revolution... 1.  “Brick Wall” HARRIS, b.  NC (per later descendants’ census records); d. abt 1826/27  Prob Abbeville, SC.  Mar. Esther LNU, b. 13 Jul 1774  Carlisle, Cumberland Co., PA; d. 13 Sep 1856  Bainbridge, Decatur Co., GA. -- Children: -- 2-i-- Alexander Ewing2 HARRIS Sr., b. abt 1802 prob Abbeville, SC; d. 17 Nov 1847 Veracruz (Mexican War).  -- 3-ii-- Ebenezer Jackson2 (b. Ebenezer Erskine) HARRIS, b. 6 Jun 1815 Abbeville Dist., SC; d. 5 Mar 1885 Citra, FL.  -- 4-iii-- John J. H.2 HARRIS, b. 1818 Abbeville, SC; d. prob GA.  . Generations 2 & 3: 2. Alexander Ewing HARRIS Sr. b. abt 1802 prob Abbeville, SC; d. 17 Nov 1847 Veracruz (Mexican War).  Mar. on 11 Feb 1841 at Tallahassee, FL, Violet ALEXANDER, b. 1810/13 Ireland; d. 10 Jan 1853 Tallahassee, FL. -- Children: -- 5-i-- Marion Malvena HARRIS, b. 27 Oct 1841 Tallahassee, FL; d. 17 Nov 1841 Tallahassee, FL. -- 6-ii-- George Garth Holt HARRIS, b. 22 Feb 1843 Tallahassee, FL; d. 22 Aug 1843 Tallahassee, FL.   -- 7. Alexander Ewing HARRIS Jr., b. 9 Dec 1844 Tallahassee, FL; d. 11 Mar 1937 Phoenix, Maricopa Co, AZ; bur. Greenwood Mem Park, Phoenix, Maricopa Co, AZ.  Mar. on 8 Nov 1868 Decatur Co, GA, Amanda Elizabeth DANIEL, b. 27 Jun 1845 Decatur Co, GA; d. 2 Jun 1889 Seymour, Baylor Co, TX. -- -- Children: -- -- 19-i-- William Alexander HARRIS, b. 17 Apr 1870 Cooper, Decatur, GA; d. 6 Jul 1929 Phoenix, Maricopa Co., AZ -- -- 20-ii-- Francis Epps HARRIS III, b. 1 Aug 1872 Decatur Co, GA; d. 25 Jul 1933.       -- -- 21-iii-- Ina Pearl HARRIS, b. 5 Jul 1875 Hill Co, TX; d. 1 Feb 1900 Hagerman, TX.   -- -- 22-iv-- Sidney Eugene HARRIS, b. 3 Apr 1878 Graham, Young Co, TX; d. 12 Mar 1969 Hagerman, Chaves Co., NM.  *** DNA results from Sid's descendant -- -- 23-v-- male HARRIS, b. 18 Apr 1880; d. 3 Aug 1880.  d. infant -- -- 24-vi-- Clara Alice HARRIS, b. 28 Apr 1882 Seymour, Baylor Co, TX; d. May 1977 Phoenix, Maricopa Co, AZ.  -- 8. Francis Eppes HARRIS Sr., b. 3 Dec 1846 Tallahassee, FL; d. 28 Nov 1928 Marion Co, FL; bur. Greenwood Cem, Ocala, FL.  Mar. on 4 May 1879 Ocala, FL, Ella J. MCDONALD, b. 4 Feb 1861 FL; d. 12 Nov 1932 Ocala, FL, daughter of Littleton James MCDONALD & Sarah Elizabeth PARRAMORE. -- -- Children: -- -- 25-i-- Thomas H. HARRIS, b. abt 1880 Ocala, FL; d. aft 1920. -- -- 26-ii-- Sara Elizabeth HARRIS, b. 14 Feb 1881 Ocala, FL; d. 8 Aug 1969; bur. Greenwood Cem., Ocala, FL.  -- -- 27-iii-- Violet Alexander HARRIS, b. 25 Nov 1883 Ocala, FL; d. 14 Sep 1961; bur. Greenwood Cem., Ocala, FL.  -- -- 28-iv-- Louise HARRIS, b. 4 Oct 1885; d. 29 Nov 1971; bur. Greenwood Cem., Ocala, FL.  -- -- 29-v-- Francis Eppes HARRIS Jr., b. 9 Sep 1888 Ocala, FL; d. 5 Jan 1968 Ocala, FL. -- -- 30-vi-- Ainsley M. HARRIS, d. bef 1909. 3. Ebenezer Jackson HARRIS, b. 6 Jun 1815 Abbeville Dist., SC; d. 5 Mar 1885 Citra, FL; bur. Evergreen Cem, Ocala, FL.  Mar. on 10 Aug 1841, Sarah A. MCDONALD, b. 10 Aug 1818 Laurens Co., GA; d. 2 Jun 1905 Marion Co., FL; bur. Evergreen Cem, Ocala, FL, daughter of Joshua MCDONALD and Martha HOLLINGER . -- Children: -- 9-i-- William Henry HARRIS, b. 2 Nov 1842 GA; d. 1 Dec 1869; bur. Evergreen Cem., Ocala, FL.  -- 10-ii-- Infant HARRIS, b. 1844 FL; d. 25 Nov 1844; -- 11. James Armstrong HARRIS Sr., b. 5 Feb 1847 Yahala, Lake Harris, FL (or Ocala, FL); d. 30 Dec 1921 Crystal River, FL; bur. Harris plot, Evergreen Cem, Ocala, FL.  Mar. (1) on 4 Nov 1886, Mabel Almira WHITE, b. 9 Jun 1861 Templeton, Worcester Co, MA; d. 19 Jul 1888 Pablo Beach, FL, daughter of Thomas Howard WHITE & Almira Louisa GREENLEAF; (2) Mary B. ---, b. 1866 Girardsville, PA; Dead. -- -- Child:  31-i-- James Armstrong HARRIS Jr., b. 31 Oct 1887 Cleveland, OH; d. 14 Oct 1961 Capitola, Santa Cruz, CA. -- 12-iv-- Thomas H. HARRIS, b. 22 Dec 1848 FL; d. 19 Mar 1858. -- 13-v-- Charles W. HARRIS, b. 22 Aug 1852 Ocala, FL; d. 10 Sep 1854 Ocala, FL. 4. John J. H. HARRIS, b. 1818 Abbeville, SC; Dead.  Mar. 2 Oct 1838, Lucretia LNU, widow of John R. Gross at Jasper Co., GA -- Children: -- 14. James E. HARRIS, b. abt 1840; d. bef 1877 Prob GA.  Mar. on 10 Oct 1865 Dawson, Terrell Co., GA, Ada G. BAIRD, b. abt 1845 GA; d. abt 1887. -- -- Children: -- -- 32-i-- Martha L. HARRIS, b. abt 1867; Dead. -- -- 33 ii-- Alphonzo Baird HARRIS, b. 22 Jun 1869 Dawson, Terrell Co., GA; d. 14 Jan 1953 Lakeland, FL. -- 15-ii-- Thomas E. HARRIS, b. 1841; Dead. -- 16-iii-- Emily HARRIS, b. abt 1842; Dead. -- 17. John Tillman HARRIS, b. 1844; d. 17 Sep 1890.  Mar. (1) Elizabeth May McALPIN, b. May 1844 FL; d. 27 Aug 1886 FL, daughter of Rev. Robert MCALPIN; (2) Sallie S. ((---), b. Jan 1858 GA; Dead. -- -- Children of John and Elizabeth May MCALPIN: -- -- 34-i--  John James HARRIS, b. Jan 1865/72 FL; d. 26 Aug 1924 Gainesville, FL.  -- -- 35-ii-- William C. HARRIS, b. 4 Oct 1869 Citra, Marion Co., FL; d. 16 Dec 1874 Citra, Marion Co., FL. -- -- 36-iii-- Mary HARRIS, b. Dec 1869 FL; Dead. -- -- 37-iv-- Thomas Ewing HARRIS, b. 3 Dec 1872 Citra, Marion Co., FL; d. 4 Oct 1957 Los Angeles, CA. -- -- 38-v-- Cornelius Alexander HARRIS, b. 20 Jan 1876 Citra, Marion Co., FL; d. 5 Jun 1953 Orlando, Orange Co., FL. -- -- 39-vi-- Ebenezer Jackson HARRIS, b. 14 Aug 1879 Citra, Marion Co., FL; d. 1945 Highlands Co., FL.  -no children- -- -- Children of John and Sallie S. LNU: -- -- 40-i-- William Stewart HARRIS, b. 12 Apr 1887 Dixie, GA; Dead.  Mar. Lena M. ((---). -- 18. Zachariah T. HARRIS, b. abt 1847 GA; d. abt 1885.  Mar. on 9 Nov 1870 Terrell Co., GA Eudora Jane THORNTON, b. 7 Feb 1851 Dawson, Terrell Co., GA; d. 9 Jun 1919; bur. Cedar Hills Cem., Dawson, Terrell Co., GA, daughter of Capt. William Calloway THORNTON & Sarah Ann ELLISON. -- -- Child:  41-i-- William HARRIS, b. abt 1874 GA; d. 1 Jan 1882 Citra, Marion Co., FL. 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There's one thing to remember. Histories are written by the winners. I figure there's three sides to every story. The winners side. The losers side. And, what's reported in the papers. The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. On 06/16/2012 09:53 PM, EVELYN WALLACE wrote: > Unfortunately, the used history books which my husband used to buy at > book sales skip some of these important events which affected our > ancestors. Bah! -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

i appreciate all your tips, and I'm sure they have helped your researches to some degree.  I've been studying the history of localities along the migration patters for around 5 years, with reference to a variety of original sources, mostly early newspapers. The 1st early Panic was in 1819-20, and probably did much to affect the Carolinas.  More important was the opening up of Indian lands and the Gold Rush (one of the reasons why announcing gold was found in the Dakotas post 1865, I think, when it wasn't true).  I have found much of value in learning more about Jackson's career, as his friends R.K. Call, Sam Houston (in another line), James Gadsden and John Branch loom large in my studies. Jackson's war on Biddle's Bank of the United States does figure amongst my ancestors, as A.E. and many of those he must have associated with contributed to the state banks that were to replace Biddle's Bank.  Also important, as I mentioned, are Masons, development of local schools - primarily Wesleyan Female College in Macon GA - and ARP and the Methodist Episcopal Church, although there are some Baptists here and there.. Most important has been 1st and 2nd Seminole War records - not so easy to come by, but there is more and more interest.  I am sure War of 1812 also figures therein, as some of those who were at the Battle of New Orleans are connected to those who followed Jackson to his governorship in FL (Gadsden, McCall), followed by his friend Eaton.  The later Eaton affair also greatly affected more people in my stories - NC and FL governor John Branch, who was Jackson's 1st choice to succeed him amongst them. Group 3 dna Harrises married into the GA Shackelford and Brodnax families.  Gen. Edmund Meredith Shackelford took over after the Winfield Scott debacles and before Thomas Jesup arrived.  Eli Harris 1st married Ann Hall Brodnax, Eli being a son of Thomas and Mary Baker Harris, Thomas being the aforementioned sheriff of Mecklenburg County.  Ann's sister Rebecca Power (or Powers) Brodnax was Gen. Edmund Shackelford's wife. A.E.Sr's name is listed in a reference book on Indian War disturbances, GA militia prior to FL militia.  His brother John J.H. Harris was a neighbor on the 1850 census to GA militia General James Watson Armstrong, who early organized militias in our north of Milledgeville location, and of course may be a source of Ebenezer's son James Armstrong Harris' name. As for loyalties, Ebenezer was perceived as a bit of a Georgian in his politics.  He was a kind, sociable, caring, teetotalling family man who saw all of his brothers and all but one of his children die before he did.  After the War, he did become a Republican and represented Marion county for three years, helping to put down a race riot (from one news story).  But during his last year, he mostly stayed home in Ocala and went back to the Democrat party.  His nephew, Frank Harris, was a proud Confederate veteran, always publishing news of the CV camps.  They were all Jacksonian democrats.  As for the Revolutionary sword, I understand that it might not have been my ancestor's own sword; many swords were taken as booty.  All more questions to be answered some day... All this is probably waaaay more information than anyone wants, and my expertise - limited as it is - doesn't extend any further than what we know and have tried to find out about our own people.  It's the result of pouring over census records for years, following intuitions and a little research, and that's all. Catherine Harris catherineburr@yahoo.com --- On Sat, 6/16/12, EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net> wrote: <snip>