Sandy, Unfortunately No. All I have in my database is what is listed in the citation. The clues may be in the Guy, Trevalian, or Woolfolk families. I have not done any research about this family and its' connections. I have been working in the Carolinas and Alabama/Mississippi. Ira On Aug 19, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Sandra Hart wrote: > Hi Ira, > Did you ever sort this out? At one time I had convinced myself that Pat Sever's and my ancestor John Harris (yDNA-Group 30) lived in Caroline Co before settling in NW Amelia Co ca 1830.I wonder if there is a relationship? > Sandy > > > Source: Caroline County (Va.) > Court Records and Marriages, 1787-1810 > by William Lindsay Hopkins > Richmond, Virginia, 1987 > > U.S. Circuit Court (Va District, Box 112) > Cochran, Donald & Co vs Harris & Guy's Exors, 1823 > > John Harris. Son John Harris. Daughter Ann Harris (underage). > Mentions "my children viz Elizabeth Harris, John Harris, Ann Harris, > Thomas Harris, Billy Harris, Sarah Harris and Augustine Harris... > and "the child my wife goes with". Exors: Wife, Brothers William > Harris and Robert Harris and friends Augustine Woolfolk and Thomas > Trevelian. Wit: Thomas Trevelian, Wilson Trevelian and Thomas > Trevelian, Jr. (George Guy and William Guy, administrators of George > Guy, dec'd., state that William Harris is dead and Henry Harris of > Richmond City is his administrator.) > > > Can anyone tell me who this family is? What Harris line do they > connect with? Any help is appreciated. Please respond through HH so > that others may be helped. > > Ira L. Harris III > Evv., In. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ira, Thanks anyway - - still hoping to work my way thru the ca 1700 John and William Harrises to establish our John Harris line. At least John's wife, Susannah Wingo, had a distinctive name! Her family probably came to Amelia Co from King Wm Co But even that might not be as tidy as I'd like. James Hargraves believes that John Harris might have been married to another woman before Susannah with whom he might have had additional children. James has further suggested that "our" John was a son of Lt Thomas and Judith (Edwards) Harris, (who have been claimed by a different Harris y-DNA group as their ancestors). Pst Seaver and I have also considered the possibility that the William Harris ("of Surry County") who owned land and slaves on Deep Creek in the SE corner of Amelia Co might have been our John's brother. He had a son William, who in turn had a son Hamlin. Does anyone know more about this family? There is no evidence that the elder William actually lived in Amelia Co, by the way, just owned land. Matthew Harris appeared in Amelia Co as early as 1739. He was associated with our John in court cases and by location. Could he have been another brother of "our" John? Or another son by an earlier marriage? A John Harris who was arrested for swearing and drunkenness in 1735 Amelia Co. Was this "our" John? Or a teenaged son by a 1st wife sowing his Colonial wild oats in the local tavern. Pat Seaver's and my John Harris didn't show up in Amelia Co for sure until 1736 (tax list, land purchase). In 1737 he became a constable in Amelia Co. Our John probably had the following children: Rhoda (married Abraham Vasser in 1748, Amelia Co. They moved to Halifax Co, VA. Abraham's brother Nathaniel married Sarah Hudson, d/o Peter and Mourning Hudson and niece of Judith Hudson w/o Wm Harris of Bluestone Creek). Rhoda was sufficiently older than "our" William that there's speculation she was d/o an earlier marriage. William (married Elizabeth, moved to Halfax Co, VA, Stokes Co, NC, and finally Patrick Co, VA). Children included Barnard/Barnet, Tabitha, possibly Obediah and Elijah m Nancy Lee (4GGrandgather of Sandy Harris Hart & Pat Seaver) John? - son by a first marriage? A John and John Jr both listed as Amelia Co men paid for service in French and Indian War (1754-1763). There were two John Harrises (a younger and an older man) who lived near Harris yDNA Group 30 men - - William and his sons Barnard and Elijah - in Halifax Co. A John Harris (26-45 years old) was enumerated next to Harris yDNA Group 30 men - - William and son Barnard in 1800 Stokes Co, NC. James? - James Harris listed as tithe for John Harris in 1669 and 1770 Amelia Co and witnessed a deed with John in 1771. John, John Jr, and James Harris were listed as Amelia Co men paid for service in French and Indian War (1754-1763). Matthew? - Was he the same person as the man who may have been John's brother (see above). A Matthew Harris continued to associate with John in Amelia Co and then moved further west into Prince Edward Co. A younger Matthew Harris showed up in 1800 Stokes Co, NC listed near William, Barnet, and John Harris. Mary - Pat Seaver suggested that the Mary Harris who married William Estes may have been d/o John Harris. Mary and Wm Estes lived in Amelia and Halifax Co, VA and had 6 children. Pat S has a FF match with Carl Eugene Estes (but no paper trail back to Amelia/Halifax Co Estes). While I do NOT have a match with Carl Eugene, I do have a match with Arlie Sessions who traces his Estes line back to Abraham Estes, Sr (1744, King & Queen, VA-1720 King & Queen) and Barbara Brock (1667- ) through Robert Sr and Jr to Martha m John Wrenn). Using a family tree posted on ancestry.com, I traced the line of Mary Harris back to the same Abraham and Barbara (Brock) Estes thru son Moses (1711-1788) to William Isaac Estes (1744-1780) m Mary Harris (1746-1782). This tree didn't include the descendants through Robert given by Arlie Sessions, so I'll have to contact him and do some more research. If I've got this right, my DNA may have finally given me a link back to a yDNA Group 30 ancestor! If this online tree is correct, she would have been a much younger sister of our William. Sadly it provided no hint about Mary's parents. And, I found a "connection" rather than the source of the DNA match. Sandy On Aug 20, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ira Harris wrote: > Sandy, > > Unfortunately No. All I have in my database is what is listed in the citation. > The clues may be in the Guy, Trevalian, or Woolfolk families. > I have not done any research about this family and its' connections. > I have been working in the Carolinas and Alabama/Mississippi. > > Ira