pat    first of all, thanks for all the harris info you posted re your harris line and family.   when pat and i corresponded with each other earlier re our  harris families, we found a lot of similarities re our interests in  them and in the same families in this same southside amelia,  lunenburg, halfax cos, va area but, our harris dna shows that we do not have the same harris dna and that we do not have the same harris families or ancestors.   this is indicated to have been this harris/ jefferson/ goode/ osborne harris line and family also associated with hans hendrick  there in amelia co, va.     however, this would have been my william harris, sr/ frances goode, along with my mackerness goode, sr and his brother,  william goode, who appraised the estate of thomas osborne/ ann worsham in 1755 in lunenburg co, va.   according to the info, this thomas osborne,  who died in 1755 in lunenburg co, va, was the son of thomas osborne/ martha jones.  per the info, this was his sister martha osborne who was married to william harris, who re-married elizabeth ward.  per the info, this william harris died in powhatan co, va.    per the info pat mason harris/ pat clare posted previously, this may have been pat seaver's william harris/ elizabeth (hendrick),   who witnessed this amelia co, va deed re benjamin hurt/ titus  hurt of caroline co, va to obadiah hendrick.   here is the info pat mason harris/ pat clare posted previously:     Who is the William Harris in Halifax VA in the same area as Difficult Creek in 1779? 1779 Jul 15 - Halifax Co., Va. - pg 228 - A deed from William Harris of  Halifax, to Nathaniel Vasser of Amelia County for 245 pounds about 200 acres in  Halifax and bounded by the lands of John Richman, JOHN STANLEY, Charles Stokes and said Harris. No Witnesses. Recorded Jul 15, 1779. _http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:wd3b44ynOigJ:juliemorrison.com/gen/rickles/rr01/rr01_005.htm+%22difficult+creek%22+halifax+harris&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5& gl=us&ie=UTF-8_ (http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:wd3b44ynOigJ:juliemorrison.com/gen/rickles/rr01/rr01_005.htm+"difficult+creek"+halifax+harris&hl=en&ct =clnk&cd=5&gl=us&ie=UTF-8) Nathaniel Vasser/Vassar is married to Sarah Hudson, daughter of Peter Hudson, Jr/Mourning Hill; Peter Hudson, Jr.  is son of Peter Hudson, Sr. m Martha, widow of Halcott Pride; Nathanial Vasser/Vassar's father is Abraham Vassar/Vasser  who was married to Rhoda Harris of William Harris b ca 1715. William Harris was of Raleigh Parish, Amelia, Virginia. Two of his daughters married into the Vassar family which is highly involved with the Peter Hudson, Parker, and  Owen families. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- May 1760 Deed: Benjamin Hurt and Titus Hurt, of Caroline County, to Obediah Hendrick, of Amelia County, for £40, 304 acres in  Amelia County, adjoining Abraham Vasser, a branch, Henry Isbell, and Morris... /s/ Benjamin Hurt, Titus Hurt. Wit: James  Hendrick, William Harris,*************************** Elizabeth Hendrick, Hans Hendrick. (Amelia County, VA,  Deeds 7:351) _http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:WLHrkj4tRdQJ:www.genfiles.com/hendrick/C hronicles1760.pdf+%22walnut+creek%22+harris+laurens+carolina+ninety-six&hl=en& ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&ie=UTF-8_ (http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:WLHrkj4tRdQJ:www.genfiles.com/hendrick/Chronicles1760.pdf+"walnut+creek"+harris+laurens+c arolina+ninety-six&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&ie=UTF-8) again, henry isbell, per the above amelia co, va deed, was the same henry isbell, who edward harris, wife, ann sold land to in this twitty's creek area and who also witnessed the  1761 lunenburg co, va deed wherein robert gilliam and his father john gilliam, the elder, sold the land on twittys creek to  edward harris, sr   again, it was this edward harris, sr's sons, stephen harris and edward harris, jr, who also moved to laurens co, sc and whose harris descendants test also into our harris dna group 8 and all  of this is a lot more involved period.   LUNENBURG COUNTY RECORDS DEED BOOK #7, Page 279, 1761: "Whereas, Hugh  Miller, Apr. 21, 1755 sold to John Gilliam, 1588 acres of land lying in  Lunenburg County on both sides of Twitty's Creek. It is coventanted that the  said John Gilliam  do lay off and convey unto Edward Harris when thereto required  by good and Lawful Deed at the said Harris costs,  400 acres of the above tract  of 1588 acres including and adjoining the Plantation whereupon the said Edward  Harris now lives, in fee simple the estate of in and to the said 1588 acres of  land with like proviso and conditions.  Now the said Robert Gilliam sells to  Edward Harris of Lunenburg County the said 400 acres aforementioned lying  on  both sides of Twitty's Creek, etc. Witnesses, Henry  Isbell, William Gilliam; Richard Ellis.   i do not know how we resolve a lot of these issues we have re our harris families, who seem to be so closely involved with each other in the same areas except that we keep looking at  and  studying all of this over and over and we do put on here the things we know and have observed and the new things we do learn.   again, i hope we can find other descendants of our harrises to also participate in our harris dna project as this is going to be the major way that we are going to resolve some of these complicated issues of kinship since, as shown, our harris families are shown they were living in and involved with the same individuals and families in the same areas.   to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8---------26901  

On Sep 15, 2008, at 12:55 PM, belva cauthen wrote: Who is the William Harris in Halifax VA in the same area as Difficult Creek in 1779? 1779 Jul 15 - Halifax Co., Va. - pg 228 - A deed from William Harris of Halifax, to Nathaniel Vasser of Amelia County for 245 pounds about 200 acres in Halifax and bounded by the lands of John Richman, JOHN STANLEY, Charles Stokes and said Harris. No Witnesses. Recorded Jul 15, 1779. > Belva, Various records in Halifax Co. and Patrick Co. prove that the William Harris in the Difficult Creek area in 1779 was the father of Elijah Harris, whose descendants have tested into Harris DNA Group 30. The first evidence that I have found of this William Harris in Halifax Co. is this: Halifax County, VA Deed Book 11 p. 154 19 nov 1778 from Thomas Tunks of H to William Harris of Amelia county, for 350 £, 400 acres in H, and bounded by William Bolling’s Path. Signed Thos. Tunks. Wit John Coleman, Abram Legrand, Mordecai Rucker Recorded 19 nov 1778 William Harris bought more land in the Difficult Creek area over the next few years, and in addition to selling land to Nathaniel Vasser, he also sold land to a "John Harris of Amelia County" and to a James Harris. In addition to this William Harris in the vicinity of Difficult Creek (North District), the Halifax Co. Personal Property Tax Lists and other records also show another William Harris in the South District in the vicinity of Polecat Creek, Mirey Creek and Tobey Creek. I have followed the trail of this William Harris back to Amelia County, but have been unable to go further. The facts that he lived until @1815 and that he had a son born about 1768 leads me to estimate his DoB as about 1724/1748. A William Harris owned land in Amelia Co. on Deep Creek/Winningham Branch from the 1730s; he apparently had a son William, who died 1779. The Amelia Co. tithes lists and various deeds show that there was a William Harris in Amelia Co. in the vicinity of Sandy Creek beginning in the 1750s through 1778. There are also Amelia Co. records showing a John Harris in this area. Deep Creek is in the southeastern part of present-day Amelia Co., whereas Sandy Creek is in the northwestern part of the county, between Flatt Creek and the Appomattox River near the county line with Prince Edward Co. and Cumberland Co. William Harris of Sandy Creek was associated there with the Hendrick and Vasser families in this area of Sandy Creek as shown by the following records: Amelia Co, VA Deed Book 7:351 22 May 1760 Deed: Benjamin Hurt and Titus Hurt, of Caroline County, to Obediah Hendrick, of Amelia County, for £40, 304 acres in Amelia County, adjoining Abraham Vasser, a branch, Henry Isbell, and Morris... /s/ Benjamin Hurt, Titus Hurt. Wit: James Hendrick, William Harris, Elizabeth Hendrick, Hans Hendrick. Rec 27 nov 1760 Amelia Co DB8: 122 Obediah Hendrick of Raleigh Parish Amelia co. to Zachariah Hendrick of same 28 apr 1763 250£ 504a in Amelia on heads of branches of Sandy Creek & Flat Creek wit none Belva also stated: per the info pat mason harris/ pat clare posted previously, this may have been pat seaver's william harris/ elizabeth (hendrick), who witnessed this amelia co, va deed re benjamin hurt/ titus hurt of caroline co, va to obadiah hendrick. There are several Halifax Co. records that indicate that the wife of William Harris of Difficult Creek was named Elizabeth, and there are Amelia Co. records that show that the William Harris of Sandy Creek lived near and associated with the Hendricks family. The 1777 Amelia Co. will of Benjamin Hendrick named a son Bernard Hendrick. (The same will named a Susanna Harris, but no relationship was stated in the McConnaughey's abstract.) William and Elizabeth Harris of Difficult Creek had a son named Barnard/Bernard/Barnet. That Barnard Harris was one of the appraisers of the estate and inventory of an Obediah Harris who died 1814 in Patrick Co. However, I do not know of any proof that the William Harris of Sandy Creek married Elizabeth Hendrick. Although some members of the Amelia Co. Hendrick family did move to Halifax Co, they moved to the South District, where they lived near the William Harris of Polecat, Tobey, and Mirey Creeks. If anyone knows of any information that supports the speculation that Elizabeth Hendrick was the wife of William Harris of Difficult Creek, please post it here. I have cited only a few of the more pertinent records from those I have collected. If anyone wants a more complete citation, I will be happy to share them. Pat Seaver