again, samuel harris, who had this patent in lunenburg co, va with memucan hunt, is the same samuel harris, who became col samuel harris/ rev samuel harris.   again, both memucan hunt and rev samuel harris are shown to have also both been involved with this same grassy creek area of mecklenburg co, va/ granville co, nc with connections re the knight family also of lunenburg/ granville co, nc who are indicated to have also been the same knight family also associated with richard harris/ priscilla holmes also there in granville co, nc.   so, again, when this history of the grassy creek baptist church says that rev samuel harris was the brother of this richard harris and charles harris, who were members of the grassy creek,  just which richard harris and charles harris does this refer to?   col samuel harris/ rev samuel harris stated that he was born in 1724 near the pamunkey river in hanover co, va.   this is indicated to have been the same samuel harris, who william harris/ judith hudson sold the island/ plantation to in 1748 in lunenburg co, va, which was witnessed by john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley.   again, samuel harris continued to be very involved with john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley in this halifax cos, va area and by 1770 john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley had also moved to laurens co, sc where their cargill family continued to be very involved with my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers and my mackerness goode, sr's sons, our mackerness goode, jr and samuel goode, per info i have posted in the past.    again, these connections are just more involved period.   samuel harris, who, as stated, became a noted early baptist mininister preached at the grassy creek baptist church in granville co, nc, which, as shown, per the info below, was about two miles from lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va.   again, as shown, memucan hunt, who had been involved with samuel harris in lunenburg co, va, had also moved to this same grassy creek area of granville co, nc, which was in close proximity to mecklenburg co, va.   this is info from this history of the grassy creek baptist church:   The Origin of Grassy Creek Baptist Church, with some Interesting Incidents connected with its Early History Some of the first permanent settlements effected in Granville county, North Carolina, were along the Northern border on Grassy Creek, near the Virginia line. It appears that a considerable number of the early colonists in this region were Baptists, or Baptists in sentiment. They soon began to hold meetings and at length built a house [a large frame building] for divine worship, and named it Grassy Creek, after the water course -- a tributary of the Roanoke River -- on which it was located. The Meeting House is situated in the northern part of Granville, sixteen miles from Oxford, the county seat, and some two miles from the line of Mecklenburg county in Virginia. the info goes one to say that two of the members richard harris and charles harris of the grassy creek baptist church were brothers of col/ rev samuel harris.   so, which richard harris and which charles harris of granville co, nc were the brothers of col/ rev samuel harris and who was their father in hanover co, va?   " Rev. Samuel Harris, usually called Col Harris, a man of wealth, ability and high social position, who resided in Pittsylvania county, Virginia, not far from the land of Birch Creek (commonly called Kentuck) Baptist meeting-house, some sixty miles from this place, (Grassy Creek) entered the ministry in 1759, but owing to some peculiar views which he entertained respecting ordination, he refused to be set apart to the ministerial office till 1769.    In 1765, Mr. Harris went down into Orange and Spottsylvania counties, Virginia, on a preaching excursion. His labors were greatly blessed in awakening attention to the subject of religion, and in leading precious souls to Christ. "He continued many days, preaching from place to place, attended by great crowds, and followed throughout his meetings by several person who had been either lately converted, or seriously awakened under the ministry of others, and also by many who had been alarmed by his own labors.   "When Mr. Harris left them he advised some in whom he discovered talents to commence the exercise of their gifts, and to hold meetings among themselves. They took his advise and began to hold meetings every Sabbath, and almost every night in the week, taking a tobacco house for their meeting house. After proceeding in this way for some time, they resolved to send for Mr. Harris, in order to procure his services, to preach and baptize now converts.   Sometime in the year 1766, Elijah Craig and two others traveled to Mr. Harris' house, but they found to their surprise that he had not been ordained to the administration of ordinances. To remedy this inconvenience, he carried them about sixty miles into North Carolina to Elder James Reed, by whom he (Mr. Craig) was ordained" (see Benedict's History of the Baptists, p. 648)   >From the best information that I have been able to obtain in regard to this affair, referred to above, it appears that Mr. Harris conducted this party that came from Spottsylvania county, Virginia, to Grassy Creek, where they were received by experience and baptism into the fellowship of the church. Mr. Craig, one of the party, had, from the time of his conversion, although unapprised and without church relations, been exercising his gifts in exhortation, and in proclaiming to his fellow men the glad tidings of salvation. He was not only baptized, but was also, at the same time, by the authority of this church, solemnly and publicly set apart to the full work of the gospel ministry, by Elders James Reed and (supposed to be) Dutton Lane.    Mr. Reed, the pastor of this church, and some of its members with Mr. Harris, by urgent solicitations, accompanied these brethren back, to receive and baptize converts, and establish a branch of this church in Spottsylvania county, Va.      By the way, two of the most prominent and influential members of this church at that time were brothers of Col. Harris -- Richard and Charles Harris. The former was an elder or deacon, and the latter its clerk for many years; -- and as they were men of means and standing, it is probable that one or both of them were in the delegation.      And after making the necessary preparations, they set out on their journey of nearly two hundred miles. Accordingly, in due time, they reached the place of destination, and commenced their labors with remarkable success. Elder Reed baptized nineteen on the first day of his arrival, and more on the day following. Prosperity smiled upon them, and God so abundantly blessed their efforts in building up the Redeemer's cause, that on the 20th of November, 1767, the brethren in Spottsylvania were regularly constituted into a Baptist church, which was called Upper Spottsylvania, but now Craig's church, which has stood until the present time, and has become the mother of many churches. "       belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910