Just to confuse matters further, the William Harris Group 8 line is also connected with the Dabney family in Hanover/Louisa. I have found no evidence of marriage between these lines.   http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaead/published/lva/vi00905.xml.frame   ·  Series I: Dabney Family Papers, 1716, 1744-1834 Box: 1 Folder: 1-4 1  Deed. George Alves of New Kent County , to George Dabney of King William County , 10 October 1716 Box: 1Folder: 1 Unspecified acreage of land "upon the upper line of the said George Alves's tract in the fork between the South Branch of Pamunky River." No recordation shown.     33      Deed. George Harris and Sarah his wife of Hanover County, to Benjamin Vaughan of the same county, 1805 [This is part of the 404 ½ acres of land that George Harris, Harris DNA Group 8 #56858, acquired [inherited] of William Harris in 1801, according to the land tax records of Hanover County. George conveyed all this land to Jesse Crew, John Ambler and Benjamin Vaughan. I would love to have a copy of this deed but Texas is too far away for me to run get a copy!]   Box: 1Folder: 4 1 p. 300 acres in Hanover County . No recordation shown.   Following are extracts from an article in the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy, vol. 36, no. 3, pp 212-229. Charles William Dabney Papers by William L. Byrd III   p. 213-214 Deed from George Alves to George Dabney [my abstraction of deed-ls] 9 Oct 1716  George Alves of parish of Saint Paul in the County of New Kent to George Dabney of the Parish of Saint John and County of King William Gent. a tract of land lyeing up on the upper line of the said George Alves's tract in the fork between the South Branch of Pamunky River and bounded beginning at an oak on t he North side of the South Branch of Pamunky, Oak on Taylors Creek, then down said creek as it meanders, an oak on the South branch of Pamunky, as the Pamunky meanders, [resttorn], ? acres [faded], two parcels of land. signed George Alvis JP Mr. Harris [possibly Wm. Harris] John Q Lack[?]   signum Maria X Nicholas   p. 214-215 [my abstraction] Deed Fragment: George Alves to George Dabney ca. 1716 County of New Kent As also Another Certain tract of land lyeing upon the North [torn] line of [torn] said George Alves's Tract containing 300 acres lyeing in the Parish of Saint Paul bounded beginning at several marked trees of William Harris's line, [many trees and directions-ls], to a corner of several mark'd trees in the said William Harris's Upper Line, thence along said William Harris's Line to the beginning. Two tracts of land are part of a greater tract of land George Alves by patent 16 Dec 1714. [rest torn]  [I believe this deed is part of the previous deed which refers to two parcels of land-ls] Dabney's Bond from Alves 800 sterling Ackd. 11th Octo., 1716 R. & Esqr. George Alves of the Parish of Saint Paul in the county of New Kent do owe and stand justly indebted to George Dabney of the Parish of Saint John in the County of King William Gentleman the just sum of 800 pounds sterling to the true payment whereof to the said George Dabney....I bind myself my heirs executors and administrators....I have hereto set my name and affixed my seal this ninth day of October 1716. The condition of the above bond is that if the above bound George Alves...shall...fulfill unto the above George Dabney...in a pair of Indentures of Release...between George Alves and George Dabney (whereby the said George Alves has released to the said George Dabney...the quantity of 800 acres of land lyeing in two Distinct Dividends) signed George Alves Wm. Harris   New Kent Sct. 11th October 1716 John Q. [?]   Following is an extraction of George Dabney's Will of 24 Oct 1729. George Dabney of King William County...daughter Mary Pettus...grandson Dabney Pettus...grandson George Anderson...my son George Dabney the tract of land I now live on, and if no male heirs then to my son William Dabney, together with the other plantation on the same whereon he the said George lives, with my loving wife Eliza. have the use of the plantation during her natural life...also to my said son George Dabney 600 of my 1200 acres of land on Cubb Camp Creek in Hanover County and the upper end thereof and that the same be laid off to him and them so as not to prejudice the settlement and plantation I have already made on the said land for my son William Dabney...also unto the said George Dabney half of my household stuff on my said plantation on Cubb Camp Creek...also to George Dabney all the negroes that he has now in his possession...and also my negroe fellow Tom now living at Cubb Creek...to my son William Dabney all my 500 acres of land and plantation thereon in Hanover County between the South Anna of Pamunky and Taylors Creek, and also I give him all my tract of land and plantation in Hanover County on Wolf Swamp together with the household stuff and stock on the two plantations...also to my son William Dabney all that 600 acres of land and plantation the lower half of my 1200 acres on Cubb Camp Creek in Hanover County...and half of my stock and household stuff on plantation at Cubb Camp Creek...daughter Susannah Dabney...wife Elizabeth Dabney...two daughters Sarah and Judith Dabney...daughters Susannah, Sarah and Judith...   So...the above will is the George Dabney who had the land patent next to William Harris along Cubb Creek in Hanover/Louisa. His sons, George and William inherited this land. William also inherited land along Taylors Creek and also along Wolf Swamp (which I feel both lands were the two tracts from the George Alves deed).   William Dabney, from quick info I can find, ca. 1706-1771, had a son George Dabney ca. 1740-1824. This George Dabney is the one who would have been the witness to Ralph Harris' marriage to Mary McCaul on 18 Dec 1785 in Goochland Co.   Following are land patent descriptions that help define the area around Wolf Swamp . When you look at the descriptions of the neighbors you can see how they connect.   Hanover County Virginia 1733 - 1735 Deeds - Wills - Inventories by Rosalie Edith Davis, Page 33: "Indent John STANLEY Planter Hanover County,to William HICKS and John HICKS of Par. afsd.; planters; Lease andrelease; 1600 pounds good sweet scented Tobacco 176 acres in par. and co.afsd. on North fork of the Newfound River ... ANDERSONS corner... JohnStanleys line. Signed John STANLEY ; Wit; GEORGE HARRIS, James ABBOTT,William CREW Sept. 6, 1734 ack. by John Stanley" http://files.usgwarchives.org/va/hanover/misc/vestry.txt At a Vestry held for St. Pauls Parish 8br 10th 1719. P. 265 (205)  "The Lands of Mr. Geo Alves, Thos. Harris, Geo. Harris, Rich'd Clough, Geo. Dabney Junr., John Crenshaw & David Crenshaw, of which Mr. Geo Alves and Thos. Harris were Overseers who made this return, the above Order perform'd. Geo. Alves, Tho. Harris."   Using the above deed, plus the patents and other supporting facts, I feel strongly that William Harris of Wolf Swamp , father to Ralph, Graves and George, was the son of George Harris. George Harris was the son of William Harris and was baptized in St. Peter's Parish 13 April 1701. William Harris either bought this land with no record surviving or he received it from George Alves. George Harris was alive in 1763 where he appears on the tax list with 73 acres of land. He is gone by 1782, the next available tax list. Interestingly, in 1801, when George Harris [Jr.] received all the land of William Harris Wolf Swamp in Hanover (and Graves and Ralph received all the land of William in Prince Edward County ), George also received 72 acres from David Harris in Hanover . Was this in any way the 73 acres that descended from George Sr.?   George Alves, VAPB 10:212, 16 Dec 1714  4843a in St Pauls Parish in New Kent; James Taylors corner red oak at the head of Meadow Branch; standing on the side of a small creek called Taylor 's Creek; down Taylor 's Creek; standing on the North side of Taylor 's Creek; crossing Taylor 's Creek; on the South branch of Pamunkey River (called the South River ); across the River to a red oak standing on the River Bank; at the head of a small branch; down the branch as it windeth to; (of the small branch at) the South (Anna) River; up the South Anna River; of Taylors Creek (in the South Anna); up Taylors Creek; Meadow Branch (in Taylor 's Creek); up Meadow Branch    Thomas Stanley, VAPB 12:124, 10 Dec 1724 250a adj John Williamson, William Harris, Morris, Chiswell, Thomas Stanley on both sides Cawthorns Branch; in Thomas Stanley's line on Cawthorn Branch; up Cawthorn Branch in a straight line; Williamson's corner ash in Cawthorn Branch; John Williamson's line; Williamson's corner red oak & spanish oaks in William Harris's line; William Harris's line; in William Harris's line; Morris's line;Chiswell's line; Stanley 's corner shrubby white oak in Chiswell's line; Thomas Stanley's line   John Williamson; VAPB 10:436, 11 Jul 1719 400a between the W fork of Cedar Creek & George Alves's line in St Pauls Parish; Cawthons branch running into the West Fork of Cedar Creek; George Alves's line; Alves's corner red oak; in George Alves's line; along a survey made for Capt Nathaniel West; Nathaniel West line; branch of Cedar Creek; up the West Branch of Cedar Creek   William Morris; VAPB 11:325; 20 Feb 1723/24 1850a on the lower side of Taylor 's Creek; Alves's upper corner elm on Taylors Creek; Alves's line ** now belonging to William Morris & George Dabney **; running across to Mr Charles Chiswells line; in Charles Chiswells line; Charles Chiswells line; on Taylors Creek; down Taylors Creek in a straight line   VAPB 11:2215, Sep 1723 William Morris 400 acres; Dabney's red oak; Dabneys corner white oak; in Charles Chiswell's line; Charles Chiswell's line   When you look at the Deedmapper plats in Hanover County , that have been platted by other researchers, you can see how all these people connect. With Wolf Swamp at the center [which is my area of focus], it is surrounded (clockwise) by the lands of Charles Chiswell, Thomas Stanley, John Williamson, James Taylor, George Alves, and William Morris. There is a big empty space in the center of all these plats which, of course, is where I am trying to focus.   Lynda SoRelle Harris DNA Group 8 #42469