hello    this is partly in reply to sarah's  recent post re her claiborne harris in anson co, nc and whether he was the son of my william harris/ judith hudson of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va, but i have other things to talk about as well.   i have, of course, been on harris hunters now for quite some time talking about that the records show and confirm that it was my william harris, sr/ frances goode who was the son, william, of my william harris/ judith hudson, who died in 1778 in mecklenburg co, va.   again, besides the fact that my william harris, sr/ frances goode was named as his son in my william harris/ judith hudson's 1778 mecklenburg co, va will and all the other connections i have talked about relative to this, there is also this 1750 dodson survey for the land on wynn creek for my william harris/ judith hudson and my william harris, sr/ france goode, which became a patent to my william harris, sr/ frances goode in 1758, which he sold, per several halifax co, va deeds, to john camp.   again we are participating in the harris dna project and my brother david harris is a match with those in harris dna group 8, tracing back to our captain thomas harris 1611 of jamestown and his son, our major william harris, who was killed by the indians in 1678 in henrico co, va.   sarah, your harris cousin is a match, as you say, with harris dna group 4. again, we are in harris dna group 8.   i am not going to go into all of this again either but the info definitely shows that those of us who descend from our captain thomas harris and his son, our major william harris, who was killed by the indians in 1678 in henrico co, va, would do so by our major william harris' 2nd wife, alice, and their sons, our william harris/ mary giles b ca 1672 and his brother, edward harris b ca 1674.    again, our alice, widow of our major william harris, remarried george alvis and moved with him and our william harris/ mary giles (?) and brother edward harris, whose 1st wife was also named mary, to new kent/ hanover co, va.   i believe that the records, again, show, and confirmed by our harris dna, that despite what has been written in the past, and will say more about this, that it was my william harris/ judith hudson who was the son of our william harris/ mary giles.   in the past and even in the recent past, it has been said and believed that it was this william harris/ mary also of louisa and goochland cos, va who was the son of our william harris/ mary giles and-----    in fact, speaking of------ this was also this william harris/ mary's son, sherwood harris/ hannah page of goochland co, va, who was in anson co, nc-------NOT the sherwood harris, who was the son of my william harris/ judith hudson.   again, re my willliam harris/ judith hudson of brunswick/ lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va and this william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland co, va and as i have also talked about and posted also before on harris hunters, there are these two very relevant and pertinent louisa co, va  deeds.   again, at the same time in 1743 that edward harris sold land in louisa co, va to this william harris/ mary also of louisa/ goochland co, va, my william harris/ judith hudson, who were in 1743 in brunswick co, va, which becamed lunenburg co, va by 1746, sold land also in louisa co, va to stephen harris of st martin's parish in hanover co, va .    this stephen harris is also shown to have been a son of our william harris/ mary giles and there are also descendants of stephen harris who are also participating in our harris dna project and who, again, are a harris group 8 dna match.   some one recently found these deeds at the library there in richmond and sent me actual copies of these louisa co, va deeds re edward harris to william harris/ mary also of louisa/ goochland co, va and also re my william harris/ judith hudson of brunswick co, va to stephen harris of hanover co, va.   these deeds are written in a somewhat florid style and, for me, not easy to read both for the style of writing and/ or the language used but i am going to talk about the things that are easily seen and can be noted.   first of all, the 1743 deed re my william harris/ judith hudson to stephen harris does say for sure that he was of brunswick co, va.     my william harris/ judith hudson sold his 62 acres there in louisa co, va to stephen harris of st martin's parish, hanover co, va on the 3rd day of august in 1743 and edward harris sold the 50 acres to the william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland co, va on the 5th day of august in 1743.   although edward harris sold his land to william harris on august 5th and my william harris/ judith hudson sold the land to stephen harris on august 3rd, it was edward harris' deed which was recorded first on pages 105 and 106 and my william harris/ judith hudson's deed to stephen harris was recorded on pages 107 and 108 and these are subsequent deeds.   again, the fact that these are subsequent deeds to me is definitely significant.   the deed re edward harris to william harris does mention that it begins at Dabney's corner white oak, etc, and deed does say that it is where edward harris "now liveth".  there are no witnesses to edward harris' sale to william harris.    both of these tracts of land are said to have been in the parish of fredericksville in the county of louisa and the deed re my william harris/ judith hudson to stephen harris says:  bounded as follows by beginning at a corner of several ? white oak saplings running? north 45 degrees....   i cannot see that either one of these deeds state that this land was on cubb creek but the  1749 louisa co, va deed re our edward harris, wife, ann, to william watkins, cited below, states not only that edward harris was the son of our william harris/ mary giles, but that his land was on cubb creek.     the deed re my william harris/ judith hudson to stephen harris was witnessed by richard henderson; james woody; and john adams, his mark.   again, the following louisa co, va deeds also place this same richard henderson and this same john adams in this same cubb creek area and involved there also with our harris family on cubb creek.     Book: A, Page: 15, Grantor: Laurence Redman, Grantee: John Foster, Date:  [14 Feb 1742 (1743)] Laurence Redman of Fredericksville par. Louisa Co., Planter, to John Foster of same, Planter. For 2,500 pounds lawful, sweet scented tobacco. 104 acres on both sides of Cubb Creek, Fredericksville Par. adj. William Harris; line. Sig. Laurence Redman. Wit. Ballard Smith, James Goodall, John Adams, William Morrell. Proved by oaths of Thomas Ballard Smith, James Goodall and John Adams. Mary, his wife relinquished right of dower.     Book: A, Page: 283, Grantor: Shirwood Harris, Grantee: Nelson Anderson, Date: 05-Feb-1746 Shirwood Harris of St. Paul 's Par. Hanover Co. to Nelson Anderson of St. Paul 's Par. Hanover Co. +56 for 252 acres land and plantation, purchased of John Foster by deed 13 Feb 1743 on both sides of Cub Creek in Fredericksville Par. adjoining William Harris, crossing Cubb Creek. all tract of land joining purchased by said Harris of Richard Henderson by deed 7 Apr 1745 adjoining Wm. Adam's corner, Joseph East's line, David Harris' line, Sherwood Harris corner, Timberlake's line. Shirwood Harris Wit: Barttelot Anderson, Richd. Bickering, William Thompson. 26 May 1747 acknowledged by Shirwood Harris.   we have not been able to learn who this sherwood harris was but this david harris named here, also, per this deed, was david harris/ jane landy richardson and, again, the harris descendants of david harris/ jane landy richardson are also a match with our harris dna group 8 and my brother david harris.   also, again, both edward harris/ ann and david harris/ jane landy richardson, per these cubb creek louisa co, va deeds, are stated to have been the sons of our william harris/ mary giles, who we no longer believe may have been a giles but, again, does distinguish this william harris from all the other william harrises one could be talking about.     page 369-70. Jan 5, 1749/50. Ed. HARRIS of Louisa CO and wife Anne to Wm. WATKINS of Hanover CO, 80 lbs, 150 ac and plantation on Cub Creek. Wm. HARRIS' corner, prt of 400 a grant to wm. HARRIS, dec'd father of sd. Ed. HARRIS, by patent 3/24/1725. Signed: Edward and Anne HARRIs. Wit: John SNEAD, Miles BURFORd, Saml. SNEAD, Isreal SNEAD, 3/27/1750 proven.  Louisa Co. Book A, p. 256-257. 20 Oct 1746 David Harris of St. Martins Par., Hanover Co., to Israel Snead of same. 65 lbs.  253 acres on south side of Cubb Creek, part of a tract to William Harris by patent 24 March 1725.  David Harris. Wit:  John Pryor; John Sneed; Stephen (S) Harris.   to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910